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Vietnamwees posted:So I just saw the series premiere episode for The Flash yesterday and I was pleasantly surprised by a lot of things. Oh dear god. Stop watching right now and forget you ever knew this show existed, you might already be dead. You've been warned. Oh, and Legends of Tomorrow Season 2 is pretty cool.
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Jun 13, 2017 06:28
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The first season of the Flash is good. But then for whatever dumb reason they decide to make it mopey.
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Jun 13, 2017 07:27
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This show is the Dexter of this decade. It will continually get worse and worse until it gets cancelled.
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Jun 13, 2017 07:42
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MiddleOne posted:This show is the Dexter of this decade. It will continually get worse and worse until it gets cancelled. This last season was pretty okay I thought. Of course, I watched it all over the course of like six days. it was a lot more fun than mopetown.
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Jun 13, 2017 07:49
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MiddleOne posted:This show is the Dexter of this decade. It will continually get worse and worse until it gets cancelled. Good, that means the next season will be great and star John Lithgow as De Voe before the show slides irredeemably off the deep end.
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Jun 13, 2017 07:59
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Argue posted:Good, that means the next season will be great and star John Lithgow as De Voe before the show slides irredeemably off the deep end. That would require season 2 to not have been garbage, season 3 was this shows season 4. It's all downhill from here.
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Jun 13, 2017 10:46
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MiddleOne posted:That would require season 2 to not have been garbage, season 3 was this shows season 4. It's all downhill from here.
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Jun 13, 2017 11:55
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FactsAreUseless posted:No, S3 wasn't really a recovery. They just had to spend the entire season trying to fix a really dumb writing choice at the end of S2. 4 has the potential to be good without all that Fixed that for you. 
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Jun 13, 2017 12:22
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There's been the exact same "how can the Flash be saved from itself" discussions at the end of this season as there were last season. Season one ended and everyone's really excited for what they'll do next; season two and three end and everyone's pondering whether the next season will be a return to form.  I'm pretty sure there were fairly high-profile convention panels both this season and last where folks involved with the show had to say, "Yeah, there's been problems, but don't worry, we'll fix them next season," weren't there?
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Jun 13, 2017 12:59
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To be fair even with all the problems I'd still take s3 over s2 any day.
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Jun 13, 2017 13:13
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I hold by my belief that Flash was always "mopey" and it still has all the comic references and escalation people loved in S1. Its just that it followed a basic pattern where people loved the good and glossed past the bad in S1 but as time went on they got increasingly less excited by the same stuff season after season and increasingly annoyed by the bad stuff they once could make peace with. Flash didn't get bad, it just got stagnant. It was always a dumb comic book about a guy overwhelmed by guilt of his loved ones' fates. If they follow through on not having a speedster villain next season, stop letting Barry gently caress up time, and avoid another "loved one in peril" story than we'll see a bounce back in fan opinion because it will be something different and out of its routine. But all those good and bad things that have always been there will probably always be there.
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Jun 13, 2017 22:51
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The thing that sucks the worst is that the dead mother storyline wasn't even Barry's story for like the first 60 years of his comics, it was invented less than 10 years ago by Geoff Johns for whatever stupid reason. Flash was always one of the handful of characters who didn't have death or tragedy in his backstory, he was always just a dude who loved science and exploration and doing the right thing, so he became a police scientist and when he became the Flash started hitting up different dimensions and times. We get glimpses of a happy-go-lucky Barry and I feel like that's what everyone wants and ALSO what comics fans had until super recently.
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Jun 13, 2017 23:14
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I'd be fine with a season of flash that was more like Supergirl and less like The Arrow. Everyone doesn't need to be kidnapped, murdered, brooding or about to be murdered or kidnapped anywhere but Starling City. Barry needs to take five minutes to enjoy his day now and then.
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Jun 13, 2017 23:39
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Season 4 has potential because they won't have a speedster villain who is just a poor man's Eobard Thawne.
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Jun 14, 2017 00:20
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Space Crabs posted:I'd be fine with a season of flash that was more like Supergirl and less like The Arrow. I'd love a season of flash that was more like Legends Season 2. Just dial the ridiculousness up to 11.
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Jun 14, 2017 03:33
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To me, Flash should be that one moment from the pilot where after Barry saves Joe's rear end from Weather Wizard, they both just kinda fall down and start laughing uncontrollably over how much loving fun it is to be a wacky comic book super hero. Just that moment, forever. Come on guys, it's not that hard. You managed it for most of Season 1...
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Jun 14, 2017 04:52
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Space Crabs posted:I'd be fine with a season of flash that was more like Supergirl and less like The Arrow. Remember when Ollie said "We'll I'm not as well adjusted as you are Barry."
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Jun 14, 2017 06:08
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FactsAreUseless posted:No, S3 wasn't really a recovery. They just had to spend the entire season trying to fix a really dumb writing choice at the end of S2. 4 has the potential to be good without all that baggage. We'll see. Eleven words on the very first S4 cold open could fix everything: "My name is Wally West, and I'm the fastest man alive."
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Jun 14, 2017 06:38
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STAC Goat posted:Flash didn't get bad, it just got stagnant.
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Jun 14, 2017 12:56
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Chokes McGee posted:Eleven words on the very first S4 cold open could fix everything: Christ they had better loving do that. I don't care if Barry is back that episode, just in the moment commit to the notion that Barry is off in Speed Heaven. And while I'm talking about things I hope happen, don't have the team drag Barry out of Speed Heaven, let him come back on his own terms. Let's not have a complete rehash of Buffy season 6.
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Jun 14, 2017 14:16
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I just wanna watch flash dad's adventures over on good Earth with all those fun wacky supervillains. Every once in a while he's got to go yell at Barry or Wally for screwing with the time space continuum. I was really hoping they'd use Flashpoint to kinda reset the world to a more Justice League-y, supers are ubiquitous kinda setting but they didn't do that and I'm sad.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:41
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CainsDescendant posted:I just wanna watch flash dad's adventures over on good Earth with all those fun wacky supervillains. Every once in a while he's got to go yell at Barry or Wally for screwing with the time space continuum. Well they did but it was more of the Neck-snapping-while-thousands-die-in-a-destroyed-city Man of Steel kinda setting rather than being fun sometimes kinda setting.
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Jun 14, 2017 22:58
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CainsDescendant posted:I just wanna watch flash dad's adventures over on good Earth with all those fun wacky supervillains. Every once in a while he's got to go yell at Barry or Wally for screwing with the time space continuum. They really can't do anything like that though, given that they're tied to Arrow and Legends. I guess they could have had Barry create Flashpoint and then the show just takes place over there from now on, but that makes crossovers even more complicated and the Arrow/Legends characters would still be interacting with non-Flashpoint versions of everyone but Barry.
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Jun 15, 2017 00:55
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Chokes McGee posted:Eleven words on the very first S4 cold open could fix everything: Hell yeah.
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Jun 15, 2017 02:53
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Finally caught up. That certainly was an ending!
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Jun 20, 2017 12:39
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So Speedforce Dad is played by the same actor as Barry Allen's regular dad, right?
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Jun 23, 2017 03:58
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Vietnamwees posted:So Speedforce Dad is played by the same actor as Barry Allen's regular dad, right? Yes. Not only does John Wesley Shipp play Henry Allen and Jay Garrick, he was also the original live action Flash on the 90s CBS series. They've slipped a couple of clips of him as 90s Flash in here and there as a homage too.
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Jun 23, 2017 04:18
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nine-gear crow posted:Yes. Not only does John Wesley Shipp play Henry Allen and Jay Garrick, he was also the original live action Flash on the 90s CBS series. They've slipped a couple of clips of him as 90s Flash in here and there as a homage too. I like to assume that Shipp!Garrick had the exact same adventurers as Shipp!Flash did on the 90s show.
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Jun 23, 2017 05:41
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I like to assume that Jay is hanging with a Justice Society on his earth that is way cooler than the Legends/Earth 1 one and includes a guy with a green lantern.
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Jun 23, 2017 10:14
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STAC Goat posted:I like to assume that Jay is hanging with a Justice Society on his earth that is way cooler than the Legends/Earth 2 one and includes a guy with a green lantern. Hey, Green Lantern exists in the Arrowverse. He's just stuck in the same cell at ARGUS that they locked Harley Quinn, Batman, and Nightwing in
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Jun 23, 2017 11:27
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8one6 posted:I like to assume that Shipp!Garrick had the exact same adventurers as Shipp!Flash did on the 90s show. Well, we know that some of the stuff from the 90s Flash show actually happened, just without the Flash being around. Mark Hamill played the Trickster on that show and they used still images of it to talk about his crime spree in one of the episodes with him.
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Jun 24, 2017 23:06
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muscles like this! posted:Well, we know that some of the stuff from the 90s Flash show actually happened, just without the Flash being around. Mark Hamill played the Trickster on that show and they used still images of it to talk about his crime spree in one of the episodes with him. They used a lot of poo poo from the 1990 show because it was an AWESOME show.
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Jun 25, 2017 01:50
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Rhyno posted:They used a lot of poo poo from the 1990 show because it was an AWESOME show. Me wanting to stay up late to watch this show when I was 6 years old is what started my obsession with the Flash. Also my older cousin leaving the Flash 50th Anniversary Special comic at my house - it had all the Flashes in their different art styles and with facts about all of them in the back, was awesome.
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Jun 25, 2017 03:44
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That's why I hope they keep doing fun moments like this one now that Shipp is back playing The Flash again. 90s Flash was a bit before my time, but I enjoy all the callbacks to it immensely, regardless.
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Jun 25, 2017 04:38
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nine-gear crow posted:Hey, Green Lantern exists in the Arrowverse. He's just stuck in the same cell at ARGUS that they locked Harley Quinn, Batman, and Nightwing in Wait, what? I knew about the Harley Quinn joke but hadn't heard about the others.
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Jun 27, 2017 00:33
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Polaron posted:Wait, what? I knew about the Harley Quinn joke but hadn't heard about the others. They have all had references made to them. They've mentioned Ferris Air, Bloodhaven, and Supergirl said her cousin worked with a guy like Green Arrow
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Jun 27, 2017 00:47
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A guy like Batman, not Green Arrow. They've shown Supergirl and Green Arrow together already.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:09
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The Green Lantern bit was from Arrow, there was a flashback to Oliver in Coast City and in it you saw a glimpse of a guy wearing a jacket with the name "Jordan" on it.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:19
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muscles like this! posted:The Green Lantern bit was from Arrow, there was a flashback to Oliver in Coast City and in it you saw a glimpse of a guy wearing a jacket with the name "Jordan" on it. I thought it was also brought up on Flash. They were transporting those guys from the pipeline. Barry says something to the effect of "Huh, the old Ferris airfield. Didn't they have to shut it down when one of their test pilots disappeared.
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Jun 27, 2017 03:24
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BrianWilly posted:A guy like Batman, not Green Arrow. They've shown Supergirl and Green Arrow together already. Supergirl said her cousin works with a guy like Green Arrow. The Implication being that it's Batman.
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Jun 27, 2017 04:04
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