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Trabisnikof posted:Government run healthcare. It will be like social security except for surgeries and emergency room visits instead of checks. Yet in this country healthcare is a *business* and there's money to be made from your death and suffering. And since people dying is a pretty sure thing unless you're Dick Cheney or Peter Thiel, obscenely wealthy corporations and people (which, as we know, are the same thing  ) are heavily invested into it and stand to lose billions if US healthcare is ever made single-payer. "Paws up, don't shoot!"
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Boon posted:Nah, his time at the Hanoi Hilton is a pretty good example of leadership in captivity. But I know you're being intentionally obtuse so Huh. Really. I wonder why he lost all his courage and ability to stand up to people once he got out of the jungle and got into politics.
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Bishounen Bonanza posted:Huh. Really. I wonder why he lost all his courage and ability to stand up to people once he got out of the jungle and got into politics. Nah, it was when he lost to W and realized his path to success was following the party's orthodoxy and only pretending to rebel against it
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I'd be ok if McCain died of stroke, internal bleed, or whatever else gets classified as "died to being old." Or he retire whatever.
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Mustached Demon posted:I'd be ok if McCain died of stroke, internal bleed, or whatever else gets classified as "died to being old." We don't get that pleasure until 2022. It's little solace, but at least Trump's speaking in tongues isn't religiously-motivated. McCain being under the 'stress' of just being a GOP senator has seemingly rotted his squash - he'd almost certainly have shuffled loose the mortal coil during his probable two terms in office because Americans are dumb, and we'd have had Palin as a terrifyingly unfunny real life version of Julia-Louis Dreyfus' "Veep."
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If Assad is willing to launch another chemical attack doesn't that mean the time we bombed Syria was essentially pointless? Why should bombing another empty airbase sufficiently threaten him this time?
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Internet Kraken posted:If Assad is willing to launch another chemical attack doesn't that mean the time we bombed Syria was essentially pointless? Why should bombing another empty airbase sufficiently threaten him this time? It shouldn't/wouldn't - it'd just make Raytheon really happy.
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Jun 27, 2017 05:50
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Not that this matters, but what is it about the Senate bill that the HFC doesn't like? Only changed detail I heard was about the waiting period stuff I think. Is that what they're making a fuss about?
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Jun 27, 2017 05:53
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Ventana posted:Not that this matters, but what is it about the Senate bill that the HFC doesn't like? Only changed detail I heard was about the waiting period stuff I think. Is that what they're making a fuss about? It's a fake out. If the Senate gop thinks it will just fail in the house, they can vote yes and keep their peers happy without worrying about being held responsible when it takes effect.
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The Glumslinger posted:Nah, it was when he lost to W and realized his path to success was following the party's orthodoxy and only pretending to rebel against it He never tried to rebel against the orthodoxy before then either. There is no basis in actions for that Maverick BS.
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Lemming posted:Yeah, the reason it didn't pass with a supermajority is because we have shitheads like Glazer who is fundamentally against single payer and will never vote for it under any circumstances. How is that not an indictment of lovely Dems? My entire point is that we need to get rid of the people who are holding back progress, and you somehow think that means that the shitheads are the good guys. ... so how are you pissed at the Assembly? SB562 was an empty nonfunctional bill, passed solely so that the senators could say they wrote and voted for Single Payer. Lara and Atkins chose to grandstand rather than ride the momentum of the convention to force Glazer et.al to vote on something real. The Assembly doesn't have the ability to make showvotes on fake legislation, so Rendon wasn't able to take the easy out the senators did. There is zero reason that the senators couldn't put together real legislation rather than try to make the Assembly do their job for them. If they'd like Rendon to workshop a bill that can become law, perhaps they should start by giving him a bill that can pass the Senate? Turtlicious posted:What is single payer? Like how do I explain it to people? You know Medicare? Like that, but for everybody It may be more complex than this, but it's really not polite to discuss that In imgur form: http://imgur.com/gallery/zmelc With more detail: The progressive goal is to provide Universal Health Care, which is exactly what it sounds like: Everyone receives healthcare, regardless of ability to pay. To achieve this goal, counties can choose a single payer system (wherein the Government pays for medical care, akin to Canada or the UK's NHS) or a multipayer system (not unlike Germany, where a basic level of insurance is mandated-and managed by nonprofits-but those wishing to spend more can purchase private insurance instead). Single payer is typically considered to be less expensive, but would require a thorough reordering of the healthcare industry (~1/6th of the economy) and also knock the bulk of the nation off of a system of coverage they're happy with. Obamacare's stillborn Public Option was widely considered a backdoor into eventual single payer, the thought being that the government plans would provide better coverage at a lower cost since the profit motive would be eliminated. Ventana posted:Not that this matters, but what is it about the Senate bill that the HFC doesn't like? Only changed detail I heard was about the waiting period stuff I think. Is that what they're making a fuss about? I believe that the angst over the MTP is Johnson, Collins, etc recognizing their bind and trying to kill it early.
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Paracaidas posted:... so how are you pissed at the Assembly? SB562 was an empty nonfunctional bill, passed solely so that the senators could say they wrote and voted for Single Payer. Lara and Atkins chose to grandstand rather than ride the momentum of the convention to force Glazer et.al to vote on something real. The Assembly doesn't have the ability to make showvotes on fake legislation, so Rendon wasn't able to take the easy out the senators did. There is zero reason that the senators couldn't put together real legislation rather than try to make the Assembly do their job for them. If they'd like Rendon to workshop a bill that can become law, perhaps they should start by giving him a bill that can pass the Senate? Why wouldn't I be pissed at the assembly? Any lawmaker in a state with millions of uninsured and the highest poverty rate in the nation who isn't working actively and tirelessly to implement universal health care is a disgrace. You seem to be thinking that I'm arguing the bill shouldn't be better; it absolutely should be, but the way forward isn't to throw it away and start over, it's to work on it and make it better. And if this was the fastest way to force someone like Glazer to vote against healthcare and show his true colors then good job, now we can start putting the screws to that piece of poo poo. If nothing was going to pass anyway because he was voting against everything then it makes your point that actually, the people introducing it are bad kind of dumb, because it's sounding more and more effective to me! Shine that light on the cockroaches
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Ventana posted:Not that this matters, but what is it about the Senate bill that the HFC doesn't like? Only changed detail I heard was about the waiting period stuff I think. Is that what they're making a fuss about? I think, 100%, that it is either an attempt to say "let's bury this thing and move on, it isn't getting good press and pisses off our voters, we won't pass it away" OR "yes, senator, vote for it...yes, it will die in the house, senator, yes...just put your name here and give us your sou--I mean, vote."
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Jun 27, 2017 06:21
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KickerOfMice posted:I've said before that Zuckerberg has all the charisma of a filthy manhole cover and I stand by it. Excuse you sir, manhole covers have a purpose and serve the community. How dare you insult them like this?
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Jun 27, 2017 06:34
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I keep picturing Mconnel as a Kappa with a pool of the poor's blood on his head.
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If you're over 70 you should be banned from holding office. We've got this poo poo all backwards. Old fucks who don't give a poo poo about ruining people because they're gonna be dead in a few years anyways should not have a say in anything.
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Covok posted:I think, 100%, that it is either an attempt to say "let's bury this thing and move on, it isn't getting good press and pisses off our voters, we won't pass it away" They don't want to bury it and move on. There are probably plenty of Republicans that wish this could all just go away, but they literally need this to push through any other part of their agenda (ie, tax "reform"). If the AHCA dies then Republicans will go into 2018 without a single legislative accomplishment under their belts, and the pressure for tax cuts is coming from people who actually pay attention.
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The reason McCain was thought of as a Maverick was because there was this weird period of time in the early 2000s when George W Bush was president, and it feels like he would always be president and had always been president. And McCain ran against him and stood up to him!!! What do you mean that was before George W Bush was president? I'm sorry I think you're mistaken, W has always been president and always will be. People like, say, Mitt aren't getting this same treatment now because even though Donald Trump is president, everytime you see him you think "This man was never elected president. He'll never be president and also his presidency will be over soon." That and how every Republican who ran against him had bent the knee and kissed the ring in the most public and humiliating way possible.
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Paradoxish posted:They don't want to bury it and move on. There are probably plenty of Republicans that wish this could all just go away, but they literally need this to push through any other part of their agenda (ie, tax "reform"). If the AHCA dies then Republicans will go into 2018 without a single legislative accomplishment under their belts, and the pressure for tax cuts is coming from people who actually pay attention. Isn't there literally a tax bill they could be working on to put those tax cuts in?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Isn't there literally a tax bill they could be working on to put those tax cuts in? They intend to pass that via reconciliation, and due to the arcane and eldridge rules that govern reconciliation, they need the spending cuts from the AHCA to use for those future tax cuts Basically, they are stuck on this insane path because they decided to give up on trying to get enough democrats to reach cloture before they started, so they are basically pulling out dusty tomes to figure out how to pass poo poo without having to just explicitly nuke the filibuster
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/26/republicans-obamacare-repeal-votes-239984quote:Republicans in the White House and in Congress were pleasantly surprised that the bill included more savings than they expected — and are trying to figure out if they can dole it out for votes. "Think of the money we can save the American people by throwing everyone off insurance. That we will spend on Senate pork barrel projects to get them to pass it." The Zero Sum Death Panel bill. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...m=.2fd6ca76de6e quote:Plenty of other news is vying for attention. President Trump spent Monday morning venting on Twitter about how President Barack Obama did “NOTHING about Russia” and its election meddling — despite Trump’s frequent claims that the whole Russia controversy is “fake news” and a Democratic Party “hoax.” The Supreme Court has agreed to rule on Trump’s travel ban, which lower courts have deemed unconstitutional; and to decide whether business owners who claim religious objections to same-sex marriage can refuse to provide goods or services for gay couples’ weddings. Useful comparison by Never-Trumper Bruce Bartlett: quote:Anyone who ever read Sinclair Lewis’ “It Can’t Happen Here,” which imagined a fascist dictator taking power in 1930s America, recognizes that Trump is the real-life embodiment of Senator Buzz Windrip—a know-nothing populist who becomes president by promising something for everyone, with no clue or concern for how to actually accomplish it. Windrip was “vulgar, almost illiterate, a public liar easily detected, and in his ‘ideas’ almost idiotic,” Lewis wrote. “Certainly there was nothing exhilarating in the actual words of his speeches, nor anything convincing in his philosophy. His political platforms were only the wings of a windmill.” http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/06/24/intellectual-conservatives-lost-republican-trump-215259
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Isn't there literally a tax bill they could be working on to put those tax cuts in? Tax cuts will only happen through reconciliation, which means those cuts have to be revenue neutral. They're using the AHCA as an excuse to cut spending in order to then reduce revenue later.
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Raylen posted:Man, I'm sure this will be good for our country that our military is so confused by even the President's own statements. I'm curious, what's the military's option of trump lately? do the people stationed in qatar absolutely hate him yet?
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Today in FAKE NEWS news: 3 CNN Journalists Resign After Retracted Story on Trump Ally quote:The article — linking Anthony Scaramucci, a hedge-fund manager and Trump confidant, to a Russian investment fund supposedly being investigated by the Senate — was removed from CNN.com late last week after the network decided it could not fully stand by its reporting. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/26/business/3-cnn-journalists-resign-after-retracted-story-on-trump-ally.html
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I would like to see a D&D without any of these troubling insults toward McCain's military service. But if you think that means I'm not going to join in immediately, then sorry that's not the way these things work. gently caress John McCain, ship him to Vietnam and put him back in that hole. This is the worst day in the history of D&D, we will all regret my having said that sending McCain back to America was the real war crime against the USA.
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Listen, McCain is my senator, so I think I have the right to say that he's a two faced do-nothing piece of poo poo
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Ginette Reno posted:If you're over 70 you should be banned from holding office. We've got this poo poo all backwards. Old fucks who don't give a poo poo about ruining people because they're gonna be dead in a few years anyways should not have a say in anything. Whatever you do, don't look up how old Bernie Sanders is.
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Shifty Pony posted:Manhole covers fit in though Wooooow.
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dont even fink about it posted:http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/26/republicans-obamacare-repeal-votes-239984 This might clinch it. With 200B in savings, they could cut taxes lile crazy and remain revenue neutral. With the big push from donors, they might go through with it for the money. Not saying it will happen, but it's important to discuss the facts.
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Turtlicious posted:What is single payer? Like how do I explain it to people? Look at your paystub. It's got a number on it for Med Tax Withheld. That number is the premium for Medicare, health insurance for old people. Now imagine if you could get that insurance now, by paying a bit more in Medicare tax, but that's cheaper overall since it would replace other, more expensive health insurances. That's how I'd sell it, at least. (that's public option insurance, which is more realistic for the US than single player. Single payer is when the government owns all the hospitals, too)
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KickerOfMice posted:I've said before that Zuckerberg has all the charisma of a filthy manhole cover and I stand by it. Legend has it that if you chant "Zuckerberg!" three times in front of a monitor, Fulchrum comes back to haunt the thread. Teriyaki Koinku fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Teriyaki Koinku posted:Legend has it that if you chant "Zuckerberg!" three times in front of a monitor, Fulcrum comes back to to haunt the thread. Zuckerberg! ZUCKERBERG! ZUCKERBERG!
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Jonas Albrecht posted:Zuckerberg! ZUCKERBERG! ZUCKERBERG! You fool! What have you done!? *gets dragged screaming by undead hands down a crack formed in the earth*
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I saw that it was May 22 that Trump said he never mentioned Israel to the Russians, just over a month. It seems like a year.
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trickybiscuits posted:I saw that it was May 22 that Trump said he never mentioned Israel to the Russians, just over a month. It seems like a year. It's like in civilization where time slows as turn count increases.
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karma_coma posted:Always wondered why felons cant vote. Even if youre in jail you should be able to vote. If you don't like it, you can always move to Canada (where they can).
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Man, it feels like a decade but the inauguration was only last week. Can you believe it was only yesterday Trump was small-time discriminating against blacks in his apartments, and in a single day he's aged 40 years and become president? I remember earlier today I lost all my money on PredictIt for Hillary's election, but somehow I haven't starved to death yet. Can someone remind me what time? There's no such thing. The travel ban is back after ages in courts, but the horrible and complicated war the refugees are fleeing barely changes, probably, who's paying attention. My coworker complains about "the Muslim girls", our other coworkers, and my disapproving response hasn't stopped it. There are three new cashiers every week, but only the immigrants and the bigots seem to stick around. How many weeks was that? I need to quit before I've been here two years. I only applied because I heard this place offered health insurance to part time employees. They don't anymore. God bless America.
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FuturePastNow posted:Look at your paystub. It's got a number on it for Med Tax Withheld. That number is the premium for Medicare, health insurance for old people. Now imagine if you could get that insurance now, by paying a bit more in Medicare tax, but that's cheaper overall since it would replace other, more expensive health insurances. No it's not, single payer just refers to the idea that there's only one entity (the government) paying the people who provide the care (doctors, hospitals). The care providers are not controlled by the government.
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repeating posted:Today in FAKE NEWS news: I saw Tommy Vietor post on Twitter that the stuff in this article is still very much true and that the journalists resigning is bullshit (not that it didn't happen, but that it shouldn't have had to happen). My guess is that somewhere down the line we'll see these guys be vindicated and get a nice job somewhere else. CNN has some individual journalists doing good work (shouts to Tapper, Cooper, Acosta and others) but Jeff Zucker is a loving pussy who fired Reza Aslan for speaking the truth on twitter and should gently caress off back to network television where he belongs. (Vietor has also been Twitter-yelling at the WHPC for rolling over while the White House cuts press access and briefings) Sean Hannity, meanwhile, is accusing CNN of asking those journalists for their resignation and giving them money, which Sean out of everyone should know only happens if you're a top host or executive who can't stop sexually harassing/assaulting women.
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