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Duzzy Funlop posted:Anything involving toothpicks is OSHA as gently caress. I recently spent a grand total of $450 on medical bills after stepping into one and having the tip break off in the ball of my foot. How...? Are you one of the robbers from Home Alone?
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Workplace OSHA stuff: a student got some crap in their eyes (nothing caustic or w/e, just grit of some kind) and went to use the eye wash station. A bunch of rusty brown water shot out because apparently the station hadn't been flushed on the required maintenance schedule. Luckily they were able to see well enough to notice that the water wasn't clean before they stuck their face in it. That's OSHA-worthy on its own, so we reported it to the university health and safety department. The inspector came by, took a look, and agreed that this was not acceptable, and said that he would have the union that's supposed to maintain and test these things come out and clean it. That was a few days ago. Today the situation suddenly exploded into massive drama. Apparently the union guys filed a report saying that they had come out and cleaned it and it was all done. But the inspector, in his wisdom, had left a few prominent finger marks in the dust on the basin, and after he got the report he came out again today and found his marks still there. So now it turns out that not only did they not repair the station, but they outright lied about it and filed a false report saying they had. This union maintains most of the safety equipment for the entire university so now a third party has to go and re-inspect everything that they claimed they did, and god knows what's going to happen to the guy who signed off on that report. 
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Sagebrush posted:Workplace OSHA stuff: a student got some crap in their eyes (nothing caustic or w/e, just grit of some kind) and went to use the eye wash station. A bunch of rusty brown water shot out because apparently the station hadn't been flushed on the required maintenance schedule. Luckily they were able to see well enough to notice that the water wasn't clean before they stuck their face in it. Hahahaha, that's incredible. Hope whoever's responsible gets their comeuppance, extremely hosed up to let the students or staff face potential eye injury or infection. Definitely  any updates.
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Jun 27, 2017 02:13
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Geez that sucks. We have multiple eyewash and whole shower stations at some of the places where I've worked and they have inspection tags on them sort of like the ones fire extinguishers have. Biggest hazards are areas with battery banks for UPS/inverter systems as well as substation DC power supplies. Huge lead-acid battery banks. I can only imagine the lawsuit fuel that comes with something like that. Sort of like the scene from A Civil Action where they bring the injured guy to the courtroom and the defendants lawyer starts offering settlements to the plaintiff's attorney that he keeps rejecting as the trial begins. "1.2M FINAL" Then "1.5M FINAL" Then "2M PLEASE!" when you see the jurors starting to react to the paralyzed guy. Three-Phase fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 02:15
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This is still my favorite thread. Thanks fellow trades goons.
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RatHat posted:How...? Are you one of the robbers from Home Alone? The tip broke off so deep in the ball of my foot that I couldn't get it out myself, not for lack of trying. On the second day, it got infected, and I figured I had to bite the bullet and go to the local campus clinic to have it removed. After an hour, the doctor there couldn't get it out either, and legally wasn't allowed to cut to the extent that it constituted surgery. So I get a referral to a foot & ankle specialist that ends up trying for yet another hour to get it out without cutting, unfortunately to no avail either. So she has to slice open the ball of my foot, get the thing out, and then sew it up with 4 sutures. I get a bunch of antibiotics and get sent on my way. In the evening, after resting and elevating the foot and watching movies, I notice that the fucker has swollen up massively, to the point where I can't move my toes because the skin is too taut. The swelling rapidly spread towards my ankle over the next hour, and at this point it looks a lot like those "Before" pics you see of MRSA infections on the web. Two friends drive me to the ER, and I sit there while the infection spreads some more. Doctors conclude that, yup, a post-surgery infection, but not life threatening "yet", so they send me home with a prescription for three more antibiotics to fill at Walgreens. For the next 5 hours, it didn't stop getting worse, but it finally slowed down at 7am, when I went back to the campus clinic. They monitored me for another few hours to ensure it was "under control", and then sent me home. With co-pay, ER, ER-doctor, and surgery, I ran up about 450 bucks that weren't covered by insurance. Total bill was something around 3,000 iirc. Oh, the joys of being a European foreigner in the US.
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Jun 27, 2017 02:32
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well that probably wouldn't have happened if you weren't a dirty foreigner with gross feet who uses toothpicks
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http://www.cnn.com/2017/06/26/world/nuclear-bikini-contest-trnd/index.html Hey, they're all wearing hard hats! (Do they have OSHA in Czechoslovakia?)
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Duzzy Funlop posted:Oh, the joys of being a European foreigner in the US. If you’d had a gun, this wouldn’t have happened. You could have literally shot yourself in the foot.
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Duzzy Funlop posted:The tip broke off so deep in the ball of my foot that I couldn't get it out myself, not for lack of trying. On the second day, it got infected, and I figured I had to bite the bullet and go to the local campus clinic to have it removed. After an hour, the doctor there couldn't get it out either, and legally wasn't allowed to cut to the extent that it constituted surgery. So I get a referral to a foot & ankle specialist that ends up trying for yet another hour to get it out without cutting, unfortunately to no avail either. So she has to slice open the ball of my foot, get the thing out, and then sew it up with 4 sutures. I get a bunch of antibiotics and get sent on my way. Speaking as an American, you have pretty good health insurance if you only paid $450.
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Jun 27, 2017 06:19
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He dead: https://www.facebook.com/oilfieldnow/videos/1997733737115381/ (Don't stand under suspended loads. You can guess where this one goes.)
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Jun 27, 2017 06:30
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Phanatic posted:He dead: Stopped watching just as he walked under it. I don't understand how you could have such a lack of self preservation.
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Jun 27, 2017 06:34
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jailbait#3 posted:If you don't mind the creepy company town, Kohler's factory tour is awesome/terrifying (http://www.us.kohler.com/us/Industry-in-Action-Factory-Tours/content/CNT400040.htm). You get really, really close to live cast iron pouring. Also free! The headsets they use on the tour are so goddamn uncomfortable though
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ledge posted:Stopped watching just as he walked under it. I don't understand how you could have such a lack of self preservation. There is no gore but you see for a couple frames the guy folding.
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oohhboy posted:There is no gore but you see for a couple frames the guy folding. Maybe the guy was hit on the rebound when it hit and shifted, but he appears to be behind the load as it falls in front of him.
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Sagebrush posted:
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Jun 27, 2017 07:23
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Sentient Data posted:Reminder that eyepro is needed in all jobs, even if you're just a teacher Imagine this but loaded with sharpened TIG electrodes instead of toothpicks.
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Jun 27, 2017 07:25
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His Divine Shadow posted:Imagine this but loaded with sharpened TIG electrodes instead of toothpicks. I have a bunch of thoriated rod ends. 
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Jun 27, 2017 07:35
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ledge posted:Stopped watching just as he walked under it. I don't understand how you could have such a lack of self preservation. "Well, I've done this several times before without anything bad happening, so..."
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His Divine Shadow posted:Imagine this but loaded with sharpened TIG electrodes instead of toothpicks. Stop tempting me from buying one of these.
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Jun 27, 2017 08:48
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His Divine Shadow posted:Imagine this but loaded with sharpened TIG electrodes instead of toothpicks. Youtube edgelords are already way ahead of you.
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Jun 27, 2017 09:00
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evil_bunnY posted:That's awesome. Union or not if you think loving with safety equipment is an OK thing to do well, enjoy the rear end pounding. Heh. That's funny. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...m=.772c5a09d268 Union worker falsified maintenance records on ventilation fans, those fans malfunctioned during an electrical fire (albeit not in a way that actually killed anyone) that saw one person killed and dozens suffering smoke inhalation. Metro fires the worker. Union challenges the termination and gets it overturned. Metro has to hire the worker back. The union lawyers argued that ""The public is safer with [Seyoum] Haile, an experienced, proven, competent mechanic, chastened to ensure accurate records of his work, than with some unknown, untested and likely less skilled mechanic." When the Metro appealed the arbitration board's ruling, the judge rejected the appeal, saying "The Court agrees that such a penalty [of terminating Haile] seems wholly consistent with [Metro’s] important efforts to improve the safety of the Metrorail system and may even have been the more just outcome here." Great work if you can get it.
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Likely a less skilled mechanic is going to be doing the work anyway as Metro puts Mr Falsified Records on sweeping duty or something
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Jun 27, 2017 16:07
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Phanatic posted:Heh. That's funny. That's the union's job - standing up for its members. The judge ruled primarily that Metro failed to follow proper procedures per the collective bargaining agreement - which is why the collective bargaining agreement exists. Yes, the guy probably should have been fired - but the Metro didn't follow the proper procedures to do it. Too bad for them. Maybe they should learn to follow the rules, just like everyone else.
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Jun 27, 2017 16:17
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Nah, gently caress Unions. It's just as corrupt as a goddamn mafia. Protecting jobs is fine, but not when you protect someone like that. The "job" becomes more important than the actual work or safety. If the union was doing it's "Job" they would have been right with Metro in kicking that guy out. He hosed lied and people suffered as a result. Johnny Aztec fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 16:23
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Also note that Metro took 4 months to appeal, and the deadline was 90 days.
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Deteriorata posted:That's the union's job - standing up for its members. The judge ruled primarily that Metro failed to follow proper procedures per the collective bargaining agreement - which is why the collective bargaining agreement exists. No argument with that at all. I was pointing out that the realities of collective bargaining agreements often preclude rear end-pounding a guy even if he does something so egregious as to falsify the maintenance of essential safety equipment. The only rational response to that sort of behavior is "You're fired, clean out your locker and get out of here," but unions and CBAs frequently have little to do with rationality. God, the number of cops who get fired for doing stuff that would get non-cops thrown in prison, and then forcibly rehired, is insane.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...m=.f224bd20f4bequote:Haile told arbitrators that he had submitted an inspection report in November 2014 that left a blank spot for the inspection of the tunnel fan — at the time, a common occurrence among mechanics — and testified that a supervisor had pressured him to later check off the tunnel-fan inspection in the hours after the L’Enfant Plaza smoke episode, before he was aware that there had been a serious incident.
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Phanatic posted:No argument with that at all. I was pointing out that the realities of collective bargaining agreements often preclude rear end-pounding a guy even if he does something so egregious as to falsify the maintenance of essential safety equipment. The only rational response to that sort of behavior is "You're fired, clean out your locker and get out of here," but unions and CBAs frequently have little to do with rationality. No, the rational response would have been to follow the proper procedures per the CBA. One of the main reason unions exist is to prevent arbitrary and capricious actions by employers. Defending one guy who deserved to be fired is what they have to do to be sure they can protect the next 100 guys who don't deserve to be fired.
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Johnny Aztec posted:Nah, gently caress Unions. It's just as corrupt as a goddamn mafia.
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I don't know if this counts as OSHA but I am in law enforcement and our building just had new fire alarms put in. What no one told us is they apparently just used the same alarm that the panic button at reception uses. They decided to test them today and didn't tell anyone.
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Deteriorata posted:No, the rational response would have been to follow the proper procedures per the CBA. That assumes that the CBA is rational. Which, if it precludes the instant firing for just cause, it isn't. There are better ways to prevent unjustified terminations than by preventing justified terminations, and it is not true that a union has to defend the guys who deserve to be fired in order to protect the guys who don't deserve to be fired. For example, the union could just look at the situation itself and say "Ah, Joe hosed up, he's gone." But it didn't do that. My company builds airplanes. A few years ago there was a worker who was pissed off that he was being moved from one assembly line, which he liked working on, to a different assembly line. He expressed his displeasure by taking a set of dikes to a wire harness. That's deliberate sabotage, it could have killed a crew, and it was easily detected during inspections. Not only was he fired, he was charged with a Federal crime and is in prison now. The UAW is pretty good about protecting its employees. I'm pretty sure its at least as serious about standing up for its members as the transit union on the D.C. Metro. But it didn't lift a finger to save this guy. You're going to tell me that it really should have, because that's the only way to protect its workers against capricious firing? Bullshit. Deteriorata posted:The CBA is what the company agreed to. It's a legal contract. I thought you libertarians were all about the sanctity of contracts. Again: I'm not arguing that the company shouldn't comply with the terms of its agreement. I'm arguing that the agreement it made was stupid. And your argument that a union has to protect its bad workers in order to protect its good workers is stupid; a union is more than capable of deciding that certain actions deserve no protection, and a union isn't forced by anything other than its own willful choices into defending bad workers. Phanatic fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Phanatic posted:That assumes that the CBA is rational. Which, if it precludes the instant firing for just cause, it isn't. There are better ways to prevent unjustified terminations than by preventing justified terminations. the CBA isn't a unilateral agreement silly goose. We get that you hate due process.
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Phanatic posted:That assumes that the CBA is rational. Which, if it precludes the instant firing for just cause, it isn't. There are better ways to prevent unjustified terminations than by preventing justified terminations. The CBA is what the company agreed to. It's a legal contract. I thought you libertarians were all about the sanctity of contracts.
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Phanatic posted:Again: I'm not arguing that the company shouldn't comply with the terms of its agreement. I'm arguing that the agreement it made was stupid. And your argument that a union has to protect its bad workers in order to protect its good workers is stupid; a union is more than capable of deciding that certain actions deserve no protection, and a union isn't forced by anything other than its own willful choices into defending bad workers. The union has a pretty strong interest in ensuring that the company stands by the terms of the agreement, even when the company would prefer to screw over a (in this case allegedly bad) worker instead!
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Of note:quote:Metro managers and arbitrators both acknowledged that Haile is not responsible for the death and injuries that occurred during the L’Enfant Plaza episode, because the circuit board for the fan in question burned out after it had been running for several hours — after passengers were removed from the tunnel. The check he omitted was a remote function check. And it turns out, the fans did operate when commanded to. It seems pretty unlikely to me that that test would have revealed the fault that led to the fan's ultimate failure. There's a fire, someone dies, the management finds someone who had violated a regulation (that management had previously shown itself equally willing to flout) and offers them up as a sacrifice on the altar of Being Seen To Be Doing Something.
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Jabor posted:The union has a pretty strong interest in ensuring that the company stands by the terms of the agreement, even when the company would prefer to screw over a (in this case allegedly bad) worker instead! Again: I am not arguing that the agreement that was entered into by both parties shouldn't be adhered to by both parties. An earlier commenter stated that if you're falsifying maintenance records for safety equipment, you're going to get rear end-pounded, union or not. I provided this case as a counterexample. And "allegedly" bad? There's no dispute that he falsified maintenance records for essential safety equipment, from either side of the dispute. In other words, it's not an allegation that he did that. I don't think that "allegedly" qualifier belongs there.
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Phanatic posted:Again: I'm not arguing that the company shouldn't comply with the terms of its agreement. I'm arguing that the agreement it made was stupid. And your argument that a union has to protect its bad workers in order to protect its good workers is stupid; a union is more than capable of deciding that certain actions deserve no protection, and a union isn't forced by anything other than its own willful choices into defending bad workers. You're arguing that the ends justify the means and that contracts can be ignored when it's convenient. The union was standing up for the contract and the due process it guarantees. That applies to all workers.
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Deteriorata posted:You're arguing that the ends justify the means and that contracts can be ignored when it's convenient. I am absolutely not. I can't be clearer about this: the company should comply with the terms of the contract it signed.
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Johnny Aztec posted:Nah, gently caress Unions. It's just as corrupt as a goddamn mafia.
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