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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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mehall
Aug 27, 2010


baka kaba posted:

Gotta say, while this deal is bad and all, I'm not feeling this whole "why are we giving Northern Ireland money for investment and to properly fund the NHS, we could give everyone several Freddos instead" us-vs-them vibe that's doing the rounds

I don't have an issue with them getting money they clearly need, I have an issue with one half of the political spectrum of NI deciding what bits get the funding, in order to prop up a government that caused the need for additional funding in the first case.


e; 650 AD - St. Martin's Church is built in Canterbury

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HJB
Feb 16, 2011

:swoon: I can't get enough of are Dan :swoon:
https://twitter.com/Springsteenjosh/status/879625637698338817

Snooker Star Brainwashed By Reds

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


It's pretty amazing how many people in UK and also the rich parts of Europe underestimate how abundant mosquitoes are literally everywhere else in the world. Here in Canada you can't go anywhere fun without these fuckers up in your face.

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

big scary monsters posted:

Also would anyone care to defend midges? The only point I can see in their favour is that they act as a pretty effective tourist deterrent, leaving the nice parts of Scotland free for the hardier locals in the summer.

On first glance I read that as midgets.

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Midges and mozzies hate me, all my friends get shredded by them but they leave me mostly untouched. It must be my poisonous celtic blood.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

qhat posted:

Unfortunately a side effect of eradicating malaria is it leaves space for more humans to successfully multiply, which is almost certainly a bad unintended outcome
You can prevent the latter by providing adequate levels of education to women and girls, which is a moral good in itself.

Or by doing the same as with mosquitoes and sterilizing a certain percentage of the males before releasing them into the wild, which could be achieved by not charging younger childless men £600 for a vasectomy.

Rigged Death Trap
Feb 13, 2012

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Social wasps:
Which are what most people think of when they think wasp (the big angry yellow ones that make massive paper hives) are the lovely, gun wielding pigs of the insect world, and are very efficient carnivores. Theyre like wolves but able to fly, and wed notice their absence first by their absence, then immediately by the tsunami of small insects that would crash into our windshields.


Asocial/solitary wasps tho are super cool. Especially the hunting types that singlehandedly kill fuckin tarantulas, even more especially the ones whose larvae fatally parasitize common crop pests. Theyre also the more prolific pollinators, being more oppurtunistic as to where their food comes from, the fig pollination wasp is a solitary wasp.

Rigged Death Trap fucked around with this message at 10:11 on Jun 27, 2017

Playstation 4
Apr 25, 2014
Unlockable Ben
Mosquitos survive even in my frozen hellhole of a hometown, Yellowknife, bastards. We've evaded a lot of other insect and disease infestations though. Climate change is gonna gently caress it all up.

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot


"I want to ride your UV lamp pussy til the wasps pop and melt from my rear end in a top hat"

Well that escalated quickly

Jippa
Feb 13, 2009

qhat posted:

Midges and mozzies hate me, all my friends get shredded by them but they leave me mostly untouched. It must be my poisonous celtic blood.


In thailand the mosquitos all go for the falangs and leave the locals alone.

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

qhat posted:

It's pretty amazing how many people in UK and also the rich parts of Europe underestimate how abundant mosquitoes are literally everywhere else in the world. Here in Canada you can't go anywhere fun without these fuckers up in your face.

idk there's shitloads of the little bastard's in the woods round me atm

also I have p much only heard people complaining about the lack of similar funding for Scotland Wales and the North of England, not yet heard anyone explicitly complain about giving cash to the Orangemen

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

mehall posted:

I don't have an issue with them getting money they clearly need, I have an issue with one half of the political spectrum of NI deciding what bits get the funding, in order to prop up a government that caused the need for additional funding in the first case.


e; 650 AD - St. Martin's Church is built in Canterbury

With the exception of the commitment to replace EU funding to the York street interchange the rest of the money will be allocated by the executive in theory - which is being heavily spun here as a carrot to get the executive back up and running so SF can have a say in its allocation (and the York Street funding has been argued to free up money currently allocated to it for other infrastructure spending elsewhere)

There's very little in the agreement which says "bungs to unionists" specifically - bar the 2% defence spending commitment (which plenty in Labour backed) and the vagueish language on the military covenant and legacy issues (which where arguable always areas of agreement between the Tories and the DUP before any deal was inked)

Its not like May has announced a billion for orange halls

qhat
Jul 6, 2015


Playstation 4 posted:

Mosquitos survive even in my frozen hellhole of a hometown, Yellowknife, bastards. We've evaded a lot of other insect and disease infestations though. Climate change is gonna gently caress it all up.

those arctic cunts are no joke either

mehall
Aug 27, 2010


kustomkarkommando posted:

With the exception of the commitment to replace EU funding to the York street interchange the rest of the money will be allocated by the executive in theory - which is being heavily spun here as a carrot to get the executive back up and running so SF can have a say in its allocation (and the York Street funding has been argued to free up money currently allocated to it for other infrastructure spending elsewhere)

There's very little in the agreement which says "bungs to unionists" specifically - bar the 2% defence spending commitment (which plenty in Labour backed) and the vagueish language on the military covenant and legacy issues (which where arguable always areas of agreement between the Tories and the DUP before any deal was inked)

Its not like May has announced a billion for orange halls

Fair enough, didn't realise it was pledged as broad as that, though we'll see if the DUP are willing to compromise with Sinn Fein, as wasn't a basic demand that Foster has nothing to do with the Exec until such time as she's been cleared of wrongdoing for the cash for ash thing?


Also:

https://twitter.com/ErikLoomis/status/879291131854454784

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

big scary monsters posted:

Also would anyone care to defend midges? The only point I can see in their favour is that they act as a pretty effective tourist deterrent, leaving the nice parts of Scotland free for the hardier locals in the summer.

Birds eat them.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

mehall posted:

Fair enough, didn't realise it was pledged as broad as that, though we'll see if the DUP are willing to compromise with Sinn Fein, as wasn't a basic demand that Foster has nothing to do with the Exec until such time as she's been cleared of wrongdoing for the cash for ash thing?


Also:

https://twitter.com/ErikLoomis/status/879291131854454784

SF have notably cooled on calling for Fosters head recently. Were at this now;

https://mobile.twitter.com/BBCgmu/status/879599065587228672

Which is clearly a shift to wanting her to temporarily take a leave of absence a la Robinson rather than a "never arlene" position.

Also worth pointing out that the extra £200mil for health is for "health service transformation" aka centralisation of services which is a big deal here - doesn't give us a stay from closing down hospitals necessarily

The DPRK
Nov 18, 2006

Lipstick Apathy

Skinty McEdger posted:

Worth noting that the company that looks to be in the running to win the NHS bid, Staffline, also owns PeoplePlus which is the recently renamed Action For Employment (aka A4E).

You may remember A4E for its long history of fraudulent dealings on government contracts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeoplePlus#Fraud_investigations

:stare: Coming in to this a bit late, but the stuff about Emma Harrison is particularly bad in this Wiki.

ShadowSpectre
Oct 6, 2016

Skinty McEdger posted:

There was a fault in the onboard targeting system where for inexplicable reasons it would in flight reset to factory defaults. The default co-ordinates are in the US.

Hi, I know this is dredging up old stuff from pages back but can I get a source for this? This is bewildering.

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Jedit posted:

Birds eat them.

Can't they just cut out the middle man and peck me instead? I think I would prefer that.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

ShadowSpectre posted:

Hi, I know this is dredging up old stuff from pages back but can I get a source for this? This is bewildering.

It doesn't mention the default co-ordinates but this is the original article https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/jan/23/how-did-the-trident-test-fail-and-what-did-theresa-may-know

The default coordinates are the most likely explanation why it would literally 180 in mid air.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Braggart posted:

Can't they just cut out the middle man and peck me instead? I think I would prefer that.

Not to kinkshame but we didn't need to know.

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Tesseraction posted:

Not to kinkshame but we didn't need to know.

I like woodpeckers :pervert:

radmonger
Jun 6, 2011

OwlFancier posted:

You're suggesting two scenarios: one where someone launches nuclear weapons and kills a bunch of people, and there isn't a retaliatory strike, and another one where there is, and then you're suggesting the second scenario is better, because it will mean the initial strike "failed" somehow.

You might be a bit crazy.

It's a pretty common form of craziness, if so.

Most people would, if they had to be murdered, feel some comfort in the knowledge that their murderer was going to end up in jail.

Is one person dead plus one in jail worse than one dead alone?

Is a hundred dead in a fire plus one rich person going to jail worse than a hundred dead and a rich person throwing a party?

Retaliation, or tit-for-tat, is more or less mathematically proveable to be the least evil thing you can do, as one actor amongst many.

Of course, this breaks down if, like in MAD, you fire off the full US and Russian arsenal and kill everyone. But one Trident loadout isn't going to end the world. At least, unless you slingshot it around Jupiter and use it as a trigger for a solar flare.

I'm against doing that, but for crippling the military of any state that deliberately launches a first strike. Mainly to make it easier for the rest of the world to deal with them once we are dead. Maybe they will even hold a trial.

SA_Avenger
Oct 22, 2012

Fans posted:

Any situation in which Russia goes insane and starts nuking people invalidates MAD because if they've gone crazy why would they even care about MAD?

Seeing the trend of the world and history the US is more likely to go crazy than Russia when considering nuke. So MAD is really a matter of how much does Russia want to say "gently caress you" to the rest of us.

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

https://twitter.com/Cartoon4sale/status/879412631949520896

https://twitter.com/Cartoon4sale/status/879441936490393604

https://twitter.com/IrishTimesOpEd/status/874593837892513792

And a few more here https://politicalscrapbook.net/2017/06/the-20-best-cartoons-on-the-maydup-deal/

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

radmonger posted:

It's a pretty common form of craziness, if so.

Most people would, if they had to be murdered, feel some comfort in the knowledge that their murderer was going to end up in jail.

Is one person dead plus one in jail worse than one dead alone?

Is a hundred dead in a fire plus one rich person going to jail worse than a hundred dead and a rich person throwing a party?

Retaliation, or tit-for-tat, is more or less mathematically proveable to be the least evil thing you can do, as one actor amongst many.

Of course, this breaks down if, like in MAD, you fire off the full US and Russian arsenal and kill everyone. But one Trident loadout isn't going to end the world. At least, unless you slingshot it around Jupiter and use it as a trigger for a solar flare.

I'm against doing that, but for crippling the military of any state that deliberately launches a first strike. Mainly to make it easier for the rest of the world to deal with them once we are dead. Maybe they will even hold a trial.

The problem with what you're saying here is that the people who fire the first nuke will not be the ones getting punished by the retaliation. It would be innocent people who happen to live in their country. If you were murdered, would you feel comfort knowing that a random innocent would also be killed as a result? Is a hundred people dying in a fire a reason to start another fire in a random towerblock somewhere while a negligent rich person enjoys his party?

big scary monsters
Sep 2, 2011

-~Skullwave~-

Jedit posted:

Birds eat them.

And what have the birds ever done for us? Flappy bastards, lording it over the common man with their power of independent flight.

e: I guess they eat midges. Hmm, ok then.

Pissflaps
Oct 20, 2002

by VideoGames

Braggart posted:

The problem with what you're saying here is that the people who fire the first nuke will not be the ones getting punished by the retaliation. It would be innocent people who happen to live in their country. If you were murdered, would you feel comfort knowing that a random innocent would also be killed as a result? Is a hundred people dying in a fire a reason to start another fire in a random towerblock somewhere while a negligent rich person enjoys his party?

The point of a deterrent is to prevent anybody getting murdered by nukes in the first place.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Also the only reason I'd hope my murderer was put in jail would be to protect the rest of the community. No real interest in revenge.






Unless they're a bourgie bastard who killed me through cost-cutting, then gently caress em, throw them to the dogs.

Entropy238
Oct 21, 2010

Fallen Rib
Can someone explain to me who the big hairy teacup in Rowson's cartoons is?

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Entropy238 posted:

Can someone explain to me who the big hairy teacup in Rowson's cartoons is?

pronounce Fur Cup

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

Pissflaps posted:

The point of a deterrent is to prevent anybody getting murdered by nukes in the first place.

How would 60-100 less nukes be any less of a deterrent when the American nuclear arsenal would respond to any nuclear attack on Britain anyway?

If anything it would make Britain less of a target, because it has no retaliatory capability.

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

I think reading the colour reprints of the 2000AD 'Apocalypse War' storyline as an impressionable 12-year-old probably prompted some nightmares; reading it again some of the bomb scenes in the early issues are still quite chilling. Well worth buying for your children!

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
if someone has nuked us its basically the end of the world so we should get in on the action

Spuckuk
Aug 11, 2009

Being a bastard works



Marxist-Jezzinist posted:

ACAB.
gently caress you if you own a cat, wild birds are much cooler than your dumb ambulatory murder device.

Counterpoint:



My fat idiot catte is way too slow to catch anything, and will purr if you rub his belly.

Paul.Power
Feb 7, 2009

The three roles of APCs:
Transports.
Supply trucks.
Distractions.

Jose posted:

if someone has nuked us its basically the end of the world so we should get in on the action

" 'Bout that time, eh chaps?"
"Righto."

Intrinsic Field Marshal
Sep 6, 2014

by SA Support Robot
HIGH COURT RULING: unlawful Tory benefit policy ’causes real damage and misery for no real purpose’

quote:

Today, the UK High Court came to the official conclusion that many came to some time ago. That the Conservatives are inflicting misery across some of the most vulnerable in Great Britain, and for no good reason at all.

The ruling will be a bitter and embarrassing blow for Conservatives. It stipulates their enforced ‘benefit cap’ is both unlawful, and discriminatory against single parents with young children. The Tory legislation ruled that benefits should be restricted to £23K per annum in London, and £20K per annum outside.

The hearing was in response to an appeal brought by four single-parent families who said the cap would have a severe impact upon them and their children. Determined attempts by Tory ministers to have the case thrown out were rejected by the court, to which the Government said it would appeal, stating it was “disappointed”.

Ben Kentish writing for The Independent reports the presiding Judge Mr Justice Collins decreed the benefit cap was causing “real damage to lone parent families”, and that “real misery is being caused to no good purpose”.

The Judge is also reported to have said:

Two of the claimants had previously been made homeless as a result of domestic violence. They also had children under the age of two, which meant they were unable to work the minimum 16 hours per week required to avoid the cap. Nonetheless, their benefits were cut. They were supported by charities including Shelter, Gingerbread and Women’s Aid.

The families’ solicitor, Rebekah Carrier, said:

The benefit cap has had a catastrophic impact upon vulnerable lone parent families and children across the country. Single mothers like my clients have been forced into homelessness and reliance on food banks as a result of the benefit cap. Thousands of children have been forced into poverty, which has severe long term effects on the health and well-being.

We are pleased that today’s decision will relieve my clients – and other lone parent families around the country – from the unfair impacts of austerity measures which have prevented them from being able to provide basic necessities for their children.
In 2015, the High Court also ruled the benefit cap was illegal, and discriminated against disabled people. Ministers were forced to amend the policy to include exemptions for anyone with a carer’s allowance.

The brutal policy was introduced by the Coalition government in 2012 – at the behest of Iain Duncan Smith, former Work and Pensions Secretary. The cap was widely condemned for failing to take into account families’ individual circumstances, and and for making life extremely difficult for some of the poorest in society, including almost 320,000 children.

The Government subsequently announced it will appeal against the ruling.

(Again.)


http://evolvepolitics.com/uk-high-court-ruling-tories-cause-misery-no-real-purpose/

Braggart
Nov 10, 2011

always thank the rock hider

Pissflaps posted:

The point of a deterrent is to prevent anybody getting murdered by nukes in the first place.

Yes, I understand the concept of MAD, but radmonger was talking about a retaliatory strike 'punishing' the people who strike first and his analogies rang false to me. And as others have pointed out we are under the vastly larger US nuclear umbrella so from that perspective Trident is redundant.

Comrade Cheggorsky
Aug 20, 2011


Nukes are actually very good and British nuclear policy should be immediate first strike

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mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

Entropy238 posted:

Can someone explain to me who the big hairy teacup in Rowson's cartoons is?

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/sep/29/martin-rowson-cartoons-coalition-vilest-government

For all your minor character needs

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