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Condiv posted:like, can you even bother with the lesser evil argument? when dems gain too much power, they become carbon copies of republicans, protecting cops that murder PoC, gerrymandering and selling influence and favors, trying to nuke social security and medicare, veto singlepayer so poor people can continue to die, veto minimum wage increases and marijuana legalization, own slaves and advocate for slavery, defend republicans and ballwash them when they're inconvenienced, etc.. at this point, the best i can say about dems is that they're more polite about their racism. they still ignore the laws, ignore their constituents, and ignore their duties as representatives Wait are you saying that republicans and democrats are the same 🤔 But it can't be! It just can't.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:but we already have that? like the reason real medicine is expensive is because
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mormonpartyboat posted:im not being ironic this is too many layers of irony for me
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Raskolnikov38 posted:ignoring bill, i dont think most democrats are republican carbon copies but they're loving stupid beyond all belief and are terrified of actually doing anything with their power when they have it. they're so afraid of appearing partisan they let the republicans run roughshod i don't believe they're terrified anymore. i believe they literally do not want these things. that's why they've moved from "singlepayer would be nice but it's unachievable right now" to "singlepayer will never ever ever happen!!"
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lmao @ wanting to gently caress piss chugged even ironically
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Condiv posted:do dems have any policy positions nowadays other than megadonor money is good and politicians can take as much as they want? Yes. They're in favor of mandatory gay marriages and drive thru abortions.
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Karl Barks posted:this is too many layers of irony for me 
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At least they are correct that Boer scum have no legitimate claim to being African regardless of if they were born in their colonial dregs.
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but i mean, i, as a serious political analyst on this dead gay comedy forum, of course have some extremely opinions at amendments to a nonbinding budget resolution lmao
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Start with yourself pls (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Frijolero posted:Start with yourself pls rude
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Frijolero posted:Start with yourself pls i was dead long before you were born, frijolero, and i'll be dead long before you're dead
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Condiv posted:i don't believe they're terrified anymore. i believe they literally do not want these things. that's why they've moved from "singlepayer would be nice but it's unachievable right now" to "singlepayer will never ever ever happen!!" It probably won't happen tho.
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Do they not realize that the amount they are spending on a replacement is being spent on tax cuts for extremely rich people?
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Thoguh posted:Do they not realize that the amount they are spending on a replacement is being spent on tax cuts for extremely rich people? lol of course not
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Condiv posted:like, can you even bother with the lesser evil argument? when dems gain too much power, they become carbon copies of republicans, protecting cops that murder PoC, gerrymandering and selling influence and favors, trying to nuke social security and medicare, veto singlepayer so poor people can continue to die, veto minimum wage increases and marijuana legalization, own slaves and advocate for slavery, defend republicans and ballwash them when they're inconvenienced, etc.. at this point, the best i can say about dems is that they're more polite about their racism. they still ignore the laws, ignore their constituents, and ignore their duties as representatives I believe that's called Getting Things Done
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Condiv posted:i don't believe they're terrified anymore. i believe they literally do not want these things. that's why they've moved from "singlepayer would be nice but it's unachievable right now" to "singlepayer will never ever ever happen!!" they can't accept the idea that sometimes people are hosed over when doing the right thing the coal industry is dying, and it's going to cause a lot of misery, and there's not a lot that can be done to fix it that those who depend on the coal industry would be willing to do (like a free uhaul service and subsidized moving costs). it's a Bad Situation. so do you say 'welp thems the breaks' or do you try to plate juggle sustaining those in coal country against the tide of automation and other sources while telling everyone that they'll all be fine forever?
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ate poo poo on live tv posted:Wait are you saying that republicans and democrats are the same 🤔 idk how people literally watch the gop try to gut medicaid for millions of people like, this very week, and repeat this dumb poo poo
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Thoguh posted:Do they not realize that the amount they are spending on a replacement is being spent on tax cuts for extremely rich people? This is incorrect, the House/Senate plans still spend a chunk of money, they just cut taxes way more. So while it spends 600b on subsidies, etc, it cuts a trillion in taxes.
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Concerned Citizen posted:idk how people literally watch the gop try to gut medicaid for millions of people like, this very week, and repeat this dumb poo poo *ignores CA Dems destroying a massive push for single payer* don't sign your posts CC.
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Matt Zerella posted:*ignores CA Dems destroying a massive push for single payer* This is true, other thing also happened!
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mormonpartyboat posted:they can't accept the idea that sometimes people are hosed over when doing the right thing i dont know, what did the pennsylvania state govt do in centralia
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zegermans posted:This is true, other thing also happened!
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Matt Zerella posted:*ignores CA Dems destroying a massive push for single payer* hard to really call it a "massive push" when they never even finished the bill. the never passed the funding mechanism through the senate, which would require a 2/3rds vote. and they didn't bother because the governor would just veto it anyway
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fits my needs posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/879732537844740097 Yeah like you'd ever lift a finger against a business
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fits my needs posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/879732537844740097 Going after people who buy in to essential oils and all those health supplement MLMs seems like attacking her core rich white woman base.
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I dunno maybe we should be on the side of the folks who don't want thousands more to die and pick the fight about the thousands they let die due to single payer opposition for a different time through political activism and replacing of the dem party structure from the ground up with progressives
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Progressive is just Dem terminology for people that haven't got a sweet lobbying/fundraising/think tank etc. gig making six figgies minimum.
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Concerned Citizen posted:hard to really call it a "massive push" when they never even finished the bill. the never passed the funding mechanism through the senate, which would require a 2/3rds vote. and they didn't bother because the governor would just veto it anyway See? There it is. This is the broken brained democrat defending this bullshit. How many times did the republicans attempt to repeal the ACA under Obama's administration knowing he would veto it or it would die in the senate? And look at them now, they're going to do it. It's almost like they...persisted? But no, just wonkily hand wave it away and stroke your lanyard CC.
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"Progressive" was a name the DLC resurrected to run away from the term "liberal." The Progressive Policy Institute was the original third way think tank (now there's an actual one called "Third Way"). Now "leftist" is the term pro-single payer liberals are using to run away from the term "liberal."
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fits my needs posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/ChelseaClinton/status/879732537844740097 The "real" health journalism usually sucks too because it's standard operating procedure to horribly misrepresent the findings of studies to make them look more sensationalist.
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and progressive is also a company that sells auto insurance............ really makes u think
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Matt Zerella posted:See? There it is. This is the broken brained democrat defending this bullshit. How many times did the republicans attempt to repeal the ACA under Obama's administration knowing he would veto it or it would die in the senate? And look at them now, they're going to do it. It's almost like they...persisted? the senate didn't even have the votes to get it through the senate. you have a majority in the ca legislature for single payer, but you need a supermajority and the governor. the senate bill that was passed was an illusion because it lacked the necessary tax increases written into the bill. i think while a new governor might make it possible in 2018, a ballot initiative is probably the most realistic way to get singlepayer done as the supermajority thing is a serious pain in the rear end.
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Willa Rogers posted:^^^ ah yes, the "don't believe your lying eyes; believe my construct of dese-dose voters." even among Republicans, not many people actually oppose social safety nets in principle. it's just that the few who do have convinced the rest of them that badly-run and poorly-regulated social safety nets are covering tons of people who don't genuinely need them. that's why you see high support for Medicaid but also high support for changing the program to make it stricter, cut its funding, and squeeze as many people off of it as possible Venom Snake posted:If Zuck runs on a nominally left new deal democrat platform I'm going to grit my teeth harder than I ever have in my life if he's the most far left primary candidate "maybe the billionaire CEO will be leftist and pro-worker" - the suck zone he's a walking incarnation of "social liberal, fiscal conservative", I guarantee it
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