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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:I bet you if you asked black people those questions you'd actually get similar results. It's almost as if racism can be...internalized?
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Majorian posted:It's almost as if racism can be...internalized? But don't let it be a black and a white one Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top Black police showing out for the white cop - NWA
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Neon Belly posted:From the BLM organizer's account of the action that I linked but you overlooked, which also disputes Killer Mike's interpretation: there is literally video of the event showing none of this happened
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Willie Tomg posted:there is literally video of the event showing none of this happened BLM protesters are almost never happy.
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Oh, oh flippin' dear, you got booed by some people who went to a place to see a guy when you took the microphone from that guy to say your own thing. go try and take the mic from clinton or trump, see what happens to you. no need to report back. Jesus loving Christ.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:BLM protesters are almost never happy. BLM protesters are very cool actually, and I don't often see the delusional doublethink stuff except on twitter and this forum.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:BLM protesters are almost never happy. What would happy people even protest?
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Doc Hawkins posted:What would happy people even protest? Emmanuel Goldstein?
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https://twitter.com/Rendon63rd/status/879743321324740612 this is a higher priority for california dems than singlepayer
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:I bet you if you asked black people those questions you'd actually get similar results. Let's assume there are fewer black Kasich supporters than Clinton supporters... like, holy poo poo. Either black people hate themselves or white Clinton supporters are far more racist than white Kasich supporters Condiv posted:https://twitter.com/Rendon63rd/status/879743321324740612 Why not both?
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call to action posted:Why not both? I guess you'll have to ask the CA dems that.
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call to action posted:white Clinton supporters are far more racist than white Kasich supporters Ding ding ding. Democrats are as racist as Republicans if not more, they just don't have the guts to outwardly express it.
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Mister Facetious posted:Emmanuel Goldstein? Maybe it would look something like the March for Sanity.
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ThisIsWhyTrumpWon posted:BLM protesters are almost never happy. i'd have a hard time walking around with a smile on my face if people who looked like me kept getting murdered by police for no reason.
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I think BLM is too easy to ignore, kettle and co-opt by neoliberal hacks. Blacks will never achieve anything for themselves until the Black Panther Party makes a comeback and they start organizing independently to protect against police brutality and properly volunteer to help their communities. The police will never stop executing innocent blacks until there's a credible vanguard of armed blacks to prevent it from happening. Everything that went down in the 1960s continues today in pretty much the same shameless format. The BPP needs to be revived as a credible independent alternative to the BLM movement similar to how they independently added teeth to the civil rights movement. Also the black community needs to get behind a left wing anti capitalist agenda because capitalism hurts them the most out of any ethnic group. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 19:14 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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C. Everett Koop posted:Ding ding ding. Democrats are as racist as Republicans if not more, they just don't have the guts to outwardly express it. From my experience it's more that they're sort of schizophrenic with their racism. Like, a white liberal will have a friendly interaction with a black person at a store and think "man black people are great, how can anyone be racist!" and 15 minutes later see someone with sagging pants and start ranting about "WELL THERE ARE BLACK PEOPLE AND THEN THERE ARE N*GGERS".
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Kraftwerk posted:I think BLM is too easy to ignore, kettle and co-opt by neoliberal hacks. No argument here. There should be more black gun clubs and they should join up with the socialist clubs and send some brass down range together.
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call to action posted:No argument here. There should be more black gun clubs and they should join up with the socialist clubs and send some brass down range together. You've had hard right, fascist, neo nazi criminal organizations and militias for decades. Even now they operate training camps while they wait for whatever apocalypse, rapture or race wars they think are gonna take place. Blacks need to try again. There needs to be an improved BPP running on a sensible codified manifesto demanding fair treatment, equality and an anti imperialist, anti capitalist message. Only when mass organized groups of marginalized people present a deadly and credible threat to the status quo will the established political organizations begin caving into their demands lest the country be plunged into civil war. No white president or an Uncle Tom like Obama is going to do this for them.
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Kraftwerk posted:or an Uncle Tom like Obama is going to do this for them. I'm no fan of Obama but since when was it okay to un-ironically use that term? I mean, I guess if you're African-American that's okay but overall, I have been advised to resist the temptation to resort to such rhetoric for both practical and moral reasons. Just because I think my fellow LGBTQ people who vote Republican are dumb doesn't mean I have any right to shame them or call them traitors.
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Nevermind. This isn't acceptable discourse in this thread. It probably serves well to be more polite. I apologize.
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In response to your (beneath the surface, legitimate) question, however: Because what you wrote was dirty and stinging enough, and as a free bonus, did not appropriate language which takes the nature of your generally valid grievances in a really weird and irrelevant--if not necessarily problematic--ethnic dimension nobody asked for or benefits from. Thank you for being cool, though.
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NikkolasKing posted:Just because I think my fellow LGBTQ people who vote Republican are dumb doesn't mean I have any right to shame them or call them traitors. are you loving kidding me Any LGBTQ person who votes Republican is doing it because they have enough money that they don't need to worry about the consequences of putting these monsters in office. And you're defending them? You're saying they shouldn't be shamed or called traitors? That's literally what they are, they're saying "gently caress you, got mine", and that's okay because they're not straight? I'm glad there are people like you around because it makes me feel less bad about the horrible poo poo that happens to Americans, because so so many of them deserve it. The Democrats are a loving waste.
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ChairMaster posted:are you loving kidding me They should be shamed and HARD. They are almost...and I stress almost...worse than the cancerous Evangelicals that opportunistically voted for a man who is an anathema to everything they purport to believe and the worthless suburban slobs that are too busy fellating Mammon to give a drat about anything except their slob excess.
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ChairMaster posted:are you loving kidding me I'm not here to throw poo poo or get in a fight so if you could, tone it down a bit? I have nothing against you and if you or anyone else here has a problem with what I said, I am open to hearing why what I just said is flawed. Maybe I phrased it badly. I felt like you not so long ago and asked about it on here. Expecting people to conform to your beliefs based on an accident of birth is no different than "race traitor." But even if you don't accept that, this is why I brought up the "practical" part in my post. You're not going to win over anyone by saying their beliefs are wrong and they should fall in line with a group because they just happen to be gay or lesbian or whatever. Using terms like "Uncle Tom" is not going to help anything was all I was trying to say.
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ChairMaster posted:are you loving kidding me I think the problem is that you could make the same argument for literally any working class person voting Republican. It makes sense to say "this is a dumb thing to believe given your situation", but it's not cool to directly tie the person's gender/orientation/race/whatever into the insult itself.
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Ytlaya posted:I think the problem is that you could make the same argument for literally any working class person voting Republican. It makes sense to say "this is a dumb thing to believe given your situation", but it's not cool to directly tie the person's gender/orientation/race/whatever into the insult itself. twodot fucked around with this message at 22:29 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Crowsbeak posted:Is it not uncle Rohm? spicy
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That's what he is. The loving rear end in a top hat is a date rapist. I don't loath this piece of poo poo because he is a center-of-right politician or because he panders or because he doesn't support my interests. Anyone with any sort of power in this worthless country would slice my throat and my interests to get ahead. They don't give a poo poo about truth or fairness or equality. So in this respect Obama is nothing special. So that's not why I loathe him. I loathe this motherfucker because of what he does to people like me. More naive than me, but like me. Younger than me, but like me. More optimistic than me, but like me. I hate Obama because of what he does to the equivalent of my retarded brother. Even republicans realize that McCain is a soft-serve piece of poo poo funneled into a nutcase. No matter how worthless or sick or mindless republican voters are, they are going into this election with eyes wide open. But not the liberal youth. They believe in this loving bitch. This self-serving date rapist spineless cowardly slippery and smooth slick Brooks Brothers suit of nothing. He's somehow convinced them to believe in him. To be optimistic. To "hope" for "change". Here's the thing, though. He's full of poo poo. It's obvious to anyone with the right eye. But people like my retarded brothers and sisters, they don't see it. So if you wonder why I hate Baquack Obama, it isn't because I fell for his bullshit. It's because I know people who are intellectually and emotionally close to my worldview who fell for it. And they are giving him millions of their dollars and thousands of hours of their time just so he can ignore them the moment he doesn't need them anymore and do exactly the opposite of what my brothers and sisters thought he would do. Yes, it's my brothers and sisters' fault for leaving the party, drunkenly walking across the overgrown grass in the backyard and wandering into the outhouse on the edge of the Ozark woods with Baquack Obamailure. But it's his fault for raping them. He is a son of bitch. Because at least Hillary and McCain had enough balls to scoff at the idea of hope or change, in this country, at this moment, by politicians with the same old, self-obsessed ideals that they all hold. But Obama packaged "hope" and "change" as a big red roofie and shoved it down my 12 year-old sister's throat with his fingers until she gagged on his wedding ring, all because he knew once she swallowed it he would get what he wanted. gently caress Barack Obama.
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Don't vote for the people who think gays don't deserve equal rights. Vote for the people who thought that until like 2013 or so but are better now because polling told them it would be ok.
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Kokoro Wish posted:A tad strong, but I completely understand and agree with the sentiments behind it. As can I.
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https://twitter.com/JosephNSanberg/status/878992210716491778 ca dems would like to remind you that they care...
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Kokoro Wish posted:A tad strong, but I completely understand and agree with the sentiments behind it. If anything it could be stronger.
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Paradol Ex was a prophet.
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Neon Belly posted:The BLM protestors who interrupted Sanders in Seattle said that the campaign recast it as Sanders letting them speak, but that wasn't reality during the moment. The video clearly shows them being booed by the crowd and the protesters fighting to be able to say what they want, while the crowd tries to no-platform and throws water bottles at them. Marissa Johnson wrote about the experience. It doesn't count as being "no platform"'ed when you rush the stage at someone else's event. And the "activists" responsible for that are also the ones who went on to found that scam selling boxes of safety pins to guilty self-loathing white Hillaryites at a 5000% markup call to action posted:Considering the number of minorities that supported Clinton, this certainly does not paint Clinton supporters in a good like. Looks like we've all got quite a bit of work to do, especially the slaveowners among us. There was a much more recent study released that has a great infographic that can be added to that one: 
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The BLM people who gate crashed sander's speech, is like the textbook example of parasitic douchebags using activism to benefit themselves. Get this: sometimes people lie, and very ambitious people tend to lie a lot. Just because someone uses the right words, doesn't mean they actually believe or follow them. If you don't have a organization structured to prevent that kind of person from running the joint, they're going to end up being your 'public face', like it or not.
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Really the whole anarchist-model of 'yeah man nobodies really in charge it's all consensus' is just as much a failure as the dnc is today, because what ends up happening in practice, is that the people who are most involved/invested/obsessive ends up everywhere, running everything, and that's the exact wrong type of person you want in a position of authority. In this case, two neurotic black women who are used to using shame/guilt tactics to get what they want (because that works in the circles they run in), discover that that doesn't work on normal people, and are Shocked and Appalled.
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