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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Cerebral Bore posted:lol jesus gently caress no, Hillary's campaign was not competent. If you want to see what a competent campaign looks like, you might want to look up a certain Absolute Boy. You say this, yet the outcomes aren't much different. The Democrats picked up seats in both chambers of Congress but do not hold a majority in either, and Clinton is not the chief executive not due to lack of enthusiasm among her supporters, but how our country allocates electoral votes. If if I am not mistaken, Labour didn't receive a majority of votes cast either, whereas Clinton did. Again, our system is loving poo poo and the Clinton campaign wasn't perfect. I just don't understand the desire to solely blame Clinton herself for the loss given that there were so many obvious things outside of her control that affected the outcome. Mass voter suppression first and foremost, then swiftly followed by the Russian influence campaign.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Dunno about the bolded part, she did employ the people who managed to run a worse campaign than Donald loving Trump, after all. May literally employed Stewart and Malcom from the thick of it without irony.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:08
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namesake posted:This is absolutely inevitable though; cyber attacks against critical infrastructure can nearly be as devastating as an terrorist attack/artillery strike so why wouldn't it be met with a similar response? But the hackers are most likely Russian or Chinese. We are not going to attack either. We literally wouldn't dare. Russia has the world by the balls, diplomatically speaking, since they invaded Ukraine and threatened to do the same to further eastern European countries. Conquest by Fait Accomplii, taking advantage of a confused, divided world. Regarde Aduck fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 19:10
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learnincurve posted:May literally employed Stewart and Malcom from the thick of it without irony. Weren't they some of the only competent, if morally suspect, characters? Or I am being deceived by my fondness for Capaldi and his portrayal of Tucker?
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Jun 27, 2017 19:11
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Jun 27, 2017 19:12
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Hillary conceded every house of government to a maniac. Corbyn deleted three years of Conservative majority government while eviscerating the most popular PM since Thatcher.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:12
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Rygar201 posted:Weren't they some of the only competent, if morally suspect, characters? Or I am being deceived by my fondness for Capaldi and his portrayal of Tucker? Malcom was basically the hero. He was underhanded because he had to be and everyone around him was a careerist shitweasel who he had no respect for.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:14
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Rygar201 posted:You say this, yet the outcomes aren't much different. The Democrats picked up seats in both chambers of Congress but do not hold a majority in either, and Clinton is not the chief executive not due to lack of enthusiasm among her supporters, but how our country allocates electoral votes. If if I am not mistaken, Labour didn't receive a majority of votes cast either, whereas Clinton did. I've read "Shattered" and the Clinton campaign was actually a complete steaming turd from start to finish, run by a candidate mired in self-inflicted and completely avoidable scandal and who failed to deliver any coherent message while surrounded herself by sycophants that were afraid to criticise her. I measure the success of an individual in an election by how close they are to be able to forming a government. Corbyn is in an infinitely better position than he was before the GE and May, from the looks of things, could be on her last legs.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:15
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Rygar201 posted:You say this, yet the outcomes aren't much different. I'm gonna stop you right here, beause this is dumb. The difference is that Clinton pissed away a comfortable lead from a position where she had most every advantage against a goddamn orange clown surrounded by insane yesmen whereas Corbyn made the biggest gains since 1945 while having the deck stacked as heavily against him as possible. As a result the insane clown run the entire Federal government and can do more or less whatever they want, whereas the Tories are completely hamstrung and will not be able to do much of anything. These are not equivalent situations or outcomes.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:16
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Cerebral Bore posted:Or you could invest in actual IT security instead of rushing into another war against an ephemereal foe? Yeah that is a sensible idea obviously but it's not a satisfying answer nor a particularly good one. A business can say it's building an invulnerable wall to prevent hackers (and then still get screwed over by poor coding or social engineering hacks) but a state can't guarantee that level of protection for a country unless it threatens to use its state power against aggressors or it takes total control of the internet in the country because there is simply too much difficulty and failure in any other course of action. Unless they are reigned in by other forces to limit that response (like our reaction to such moves), this is the natural direction that states will go in. Basically people are getting mad about the internet and we should start thinking, planning and acting as soon as possible. Regarde Aduck posted:But the hackers are most likely Russian or Chinese. We are not going to attack either. We literally wouldn't dare. Well yeah, which is why cyber attacks are starting to be viewed equal to military aggression: because they can be equally as damaging (or used in tandem with the military) and state actors are able and willing to use them. namesake fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Jun 27, 2017 19:16
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Regarde Aduck posted:Malcom was basically the hero. He was underhanded because he had to be and everyone around him was a careerist shitweasel who he had no respect for. Yeah wheras Stewart was a nonsense spewing new age buzzword type trying to modernise the Not-Tories which is probably about as competent as a decision as calling a general election then hiding from the public.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:18
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namesake posted:Yeah that is a sensible idea obviously but it's not a satisfying answer nor a particularly good one. A business can say it's building an invulnerable wall to prevent hackers (and then still get screwed over by poor coding or social engineering hacks) but a state can't guarantee that level of protection for a country unless it threatens to use its state power against aggressors or it takes total control of the internet in the country because there is simply too much difficulty and failure in any other course of action. Thing is that said threats are completely hollow in a world where you can get a free VPN client with the click of a button.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:18
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ukle posted:If you aren't aware the not 'Petya' attack that is going on right now is basically disguising itself as a variant of Petya malware, but its impossible for them to get any money from it. The contact email was shut down so paying money won't unlock your system now but they have made some money from it: https://blockchain.info/address/1Mz7153HMuxXTuR2R1t78mGSdzaAtNbBWX (~$6500). ukle posted:Its the most sophisticated malware yet It's not. ukle posted:In most cases ala Wannacry he would be completely wrong as its normal at most organised criminal gangs doing it via extortion People have blamed the recent Wannacry attacks on North Korea: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/22/technology/north-korea-ransomware-attack.html
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Jun 27, 2017 19:19
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Peel posted:This cannot be stressed enough for Americans visiting the thread: the US healthcare system is uniquely bad. It delivers mediocre outcomes at extremely high prices, well outside the range of costs of other developed world systems. You can debate which system would be best to switch to, but the answer to 'would we be be better off with [other first-world country system]?' is always 'yes.' Or anybody else's. The American healthcare system pre-ACA was one of the worst in the world.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:20
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Hillary conceded every house of government to a maniac. Corbyn deleted three years of Conservative majority government while eviscerating the most popular PM since Thatcher. pretty sure Blair was more popular than Thatcher in 1997/1998 He did bring peace to Northern Ireland before he and dubya went and bombed the brown people
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Jun 27, 2017 19:20
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CptAwesome posted:Yeah wheras Stewart was a nonsense spewing new age buzzword type trying to modernise the Not-Tories which is probably about as competent as a decision as calling a general election then hiding from the public. The scene where he and Mannion discuss Mannion leaving his shirt untucked was loving priceless though. I think my favorite Stewart episode is the one where Mannion and Nichola are doing a radio program together and proceed to gently caress it up at every corner and it ends with Maclom and Stewart deciding to issue joint statements calling them both imbeciles
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Jun 27, 2017 19:21
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Cerebral Bore posted:Thing is that said threats are completely hollow in a world where you can get a free VPN client with the click of a button. May has already proposed altering the internet to make this impossible, Hammond has suggested the other alternative. You don't need to tell me how hard it would be for anything to do anything about this, I'm just saying that they will inevitably TRY to do something about it and these are the two course of action that a state will take.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:21
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:
the peace process was started by the conservative party and is Major's baby, the IRA ceasefire began 3 years before Blair even got elected, and the good friday agreement was not written by tony blair in a year.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:24
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Regarde Aduck posted:Malcom was basically the hero. He was underhanded because he had to be and everyone around him was a careerist shitweasel who he had no respect for. Is The Thick Of It on iplayer or something?
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Jun 27, 2017 19:27
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spectralent posted:Is The Thick Of It on iplayer or something? It's on Netflix.
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namesake posted:unless it threatens to use its state power against aggressors or it takes total control of the internet in the country dont give her any ideas, gently caress
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Jun 27, 2017 19:29
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Rygar201 posted:Weren't they some of the only competent, if morally suspect, characters? Or I am being deceived by my fondness for Capaldi and his portrayal of Tucker? That's kind of the problem, they were over the top characters written by incredibly talented writers. May hired the tribute band.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:31
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Rygar201 posted:The scene where he and Mannion discuss Mannion leaving his shirt untucked was loving priceless though. The beauty of Stewart is that despite all his new-age bullshit he did actually manage to modernise the Tories and get them back in power, after which they decided they'd had enough of being modern and promptly ditched him.
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Jun 27, 2017 19:34
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https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-what-you-need-to-know This is loving garbage and I'm fuming. "Temporary permission to stay" until I rack up five years? That pretty much means I won't be able to switch jobs during that interval (and I better not take any long holidays!), and everything about this is so loving uncertain argh! Also, "as streamlined as possible" will probably be just 60 loving goddamn pages instead of 85 or whatever. Definitely will end up having to hire an immigration lawyer and paying thousands in fees, how the gently caress are people on minimum wage supposed to do that? Also this means I will have to apply for temporary permit, then settled status, then British citizenship because lol I don't loving trust them to keep that settled status around forever. loving tories. This is the general feeling I'm getting from the government: 
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Jun 27, 2017 19:37
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Rygar201 posted:You say this, yet the outcomes aren't much different. The Democrats picked up seats in both chambers of Congress but do not hold a majority in either, and Clinton is not the chief executive not due to lack of enthusiasm among her supporters, but how our country allocates electoral votes. If if I am not mistaken, Labour didn't receive a majority of votes cast either, whereas Clinton did. wasn't perfect lol. her husband who knows a lot about winning elections was telling her to campaign in the swing states she lost and she overruled him to run up the score
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Jun 27, 2017 20:13
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I would call hillary apologists revisionists but no they've been like this forever.
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Jun 27, 2017 20:28
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JOHNSON COCKSLAP posted:I would call hillary apologists revisionists but no they've been like this forever.
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Jun 27, 2017 20:39
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Just because Hillarychat is banned in USPOL doesn't mean we have to have it in here instead, just fyi.
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Jun 27, 2017 20:46
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Julio Cruz posted:Just because Hillarychat is banned in USPOL doesn't mean we have to have it in here instead, just fyi. its cool how may learned absolutely nothing from what happened there
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Jun 27, 2017 20:51
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This is a very traditional news story, called 'Minister Looks a Tit'
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Jun 27, 2017 21:07
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Pochoclo posted:https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-what-you-need-to-know How long have you been here so far?
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Pochoclo posted:https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-what-you-need-to-know I'm glad you're here 
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Jun 27, 2017 21:39
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Pochoclo posted:how the gently caress are people on minimum wage supposed to do that? Have you spotted the theme of tory governments yet? FWIW I reckon you should be allowed to stay on an indefinite bantz visa cos you're a good lad.
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Jun 27, 2017 21:40
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Let me just add my voice to the chorus of "lol, Hillary's campaign failed to understand the electoral system it was running & was so obsessed with picking up upper-middle class Republicans that it ignored what used to be its base until neoliberalism shat all over America's working population". No, the Russian hacking was not the 2nd biggest reason she lost after gerrymandering/making it extremely hard for people to vote. It played some part, but no, she lost because what she offered was just bad. It was not good. It was the personification of the parody woke tweet about "HIRE MORE WOMEN GUARDS FOR IMMIGRANT CONCENTRATION CAMPS". And the fact that so many people who worked for her, campaigned for her, voted for her in the Primaries, that they are all struck by a collective delusion where it's a good idea to not actually reflect on why the reception for your platform is bad is terrifying.CptAwesome posted:Yeah wheras Stewart was a nonsense spewing new age buzzword type trying to modernise the Not-Tories which is probably about as competent as a decision as calling a general election then hiding from the public. Stewart was an empty balloon, but his speech as he was fired was tremendous, the bit about renovating an old house and the foundations being built on a solid bed of a cunts. Pochoclo posted:https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-what-you-need-to-know It's awful. It's also totally intentional. The Tories only want billionaire Russian oligarchs & Arab oilmen migrating her. I'm sorry. Hopefully we can throw this government in the bin before the wreck poo poo too much.
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Pochoclo posted:https://www.gov.uk/guidance/status-of-eu-nationals-in-the-uk-what-you-need-to-know Thumb people are poo poo
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OwlFancier posted:Have you spotted the theme of tory governments yet? poo poo, is that a thing? Gonna have to up my bpm. Also I just came back from a live show and half the thread is very wrong about them.
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forkboy84 posted:Let me just add my voice to the chorus of "lol, Hillary's campaign failed to understand the electoral system it was running & was so obsessed with picking up upper-middle class Republicans that it ignored what used to be its base until neoliberalism shat all over America's working population". No, the Russian hacking was not the 2nd biggest reason she lost after gerrymandering/making it extremely hard for people to vote. It played some part, but no, she lost because what she offered was just bad. It was not good. It was the personification of the parody woke tweet about "HIRE MORE WOMEN GUARDS FOR IMMIGRANT CONCENTRATION CAMPS". And the fact that so many people who worked for her, campaigned for her, voted for her in the Primaries, that they are all struck by a collective delusion where it's a good idea to not actually reflect on why the reception for your platform is bad is terrifying. They want to meet their immigration targets and get cheap good PR in the Mail et al by making foreigners as unwelcome as possible so they are basically driven to leave of their own accord. Doesn't matter that it enrages the EU, and sets fire to the UK economy due to skills shortages, etc (or of course the fact that its utterly loving monstrous and racist): it panders to the racist thumbman brigade and buys a few cheap positive headlines in the Mail in the short term thus keeping them afloat for a while, at least until the tabloids turn on their next target. The next election literally cannot come soon enough
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Jun 27, 2017 22:45
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Miftan posted:poo poo, is that a thing? Gonna have to up my bpm. well don't keep us in suspense, which half?
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Jun 27, 2017 22:48
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If there's one good thing about Trump winning over Clinton, it's that Clinton probably wouldn't be as willing to tell Turkey to gently caress off in quite so many unique and wonderful ways.
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WhiskeyWhiskers posted:If there's one good thing about Trump winning over Clinton, it's that Clinton probably wouldn't be as willing to tell Turkey to gently caress off in quite so many unique and wonderful ways.
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