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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The actually distinct version of WW is too real for Hollywood so she pretty much has to be Xena. I fear Black Panther, great cast aside, will be utterly basic as well. The world's not ready for a militant radical black superhero (as opposed to a stoic monarch), just like they're not ready for the femdom superheroine. Agreed. While I would have liked a Wonder Woman with just a little more bite, I can respect that they had to be careful, as too much "in your face" feminism will intimidate the manbabies out there (a la Ghostbusters). And considering it is her first outing, it's understandable they want a few movies of playing her straight before starting to veer into more controversial waters. The drawback to that is of course that the movie will be a bit less interesting, but apparently that sells, so *shrug* But I think we can all agree having a scene like this in the movie would be loving awesome: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJ3IvqsJaVo
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Ghostbusters wasn't in your face feminism, it was a director pointing a camera in static shots and making his actors improvise a bunch because he doesn't believe in scripts, then haphazardly editing that into some semblance of a film. Take four of the most talented comedians in Hollywood and completely wasting their talents.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Ghostbusters wasn't in your face feminism, it was a director pointing a camera in static shots and making his actors improvise a bunch because he doesn't believe in scripts, then haphazardly editing that into some semblance of a film. Every interview with that guy he just came off as some smug rear end in a top hat. So much talent on screen in that film and they have no direction or anything to work with. What a waste.
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Jun 27, 2017 18:35
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Sorry to continue the derail one more time but with that cast that movie should have been so loving good. I funny think Feig is completely to blame, I loving loved Spy. It's just such a waste of talent in this case.
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Jun 27, 2017 18:50
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McCloud posted:feminism will intimidate the manbabies out there (a la Ghostbusters). Just out of curiosity, what do you think feminism is?
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Jun 27, 2017 18:51
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I saw GB in a theater filled with girl scouts who had an absolute blast watching it.
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McCloud posted:But I think we can all agree having a scene like this in the movie would be loving awesome: One of the great moments in superhero animation !
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MacheteZombie posted:I saw GB in a theater filled with girl scouts who had an absolute blast watching it. Well they were probably kids, and all kids are morons. My kid loved Monster Trucks. vvvv not just an own, a self own (or a self child own), the best kind of own John Wick of Dogs fucked around with this message at 19:13 on Jun 27, 2017 |
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:That lasso definitely should have seen more action. Not sure where in the film you'd put it but imagine her snaring a German soldier and grilling him about why he's fighting and killing for Ares. They had to have had that come up int he writers room.
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Well she did try that with the one dude who took a cyanide capsule.
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McCloud posted:Agreed. While I would have liked a Wonder Woman with just a little more bite, I can respect that they had to be careful, as too much "in your face" feminism will intimidate the manbabies out there (a la Ghostbusters). And considering it is her first outing, it's understandable they want a few movies of playing her straight before starting to veer into more controversial waters. The drawback to that is of course that the movie will be a bit less interesting, but apparently that sells, so *shrug* The other thing is she is a lot more snarky in BvS in how she speaks to Batfleck - very unlike her more earnest, and innocent nature in this movie. Like you said, work her up into that.
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Sorry to continue the derail one more time but with that cast that movie should have been so loving good. I funny think Feig is completely to blame, I loving loved Spy. It's just such a waste of talent in this case. Yeah, I like Spy and The Heat. I don't know if it's just Feig, though, it felt like the PG-13 rating hurt. I think Melissa McCarthy's ad libbing works better when she's allowed to be crude and bawdy. And, of course, ad libbing with a CGI ghost that isn't there yet and therefore gives you nothing to work with can't be easy.
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The more i think about it more that the last fight scene was extremely anime. Like straight up DBZ. They talk for a while, someone flies at the other one, punches are exchanged, more talking, more floating around, and it ends with a straight up kamehameha. I would have liked it had this been what the Dragon Ball live action movie turned into. As it was in this movie is was more eehhhhhhhh but it was Wonder Woman so I cut it a hell of a lot of slack.
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Kelly posted:The other thing is she is a lot more snarky in BvS in how she speaks to Batfleck - very unlike her more earnest, and innocent nature in this movie. Like you said, work her up into that.
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MariusLecter posted:Not sure where in the film you'd put it but imagine her snaring a German soldier and grilling him about why he's fighting and killing for Ares. They had to have had that come up int he writers room. The water jug scene from Sicario but it's Diana holding this fiery rope that hasn't been introduced yet.
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Kelly posted:The other thing is she is a lot more snarky in BvS in how she speaks to Batfleck - very unlike her more earnest, and innocent nature in this movie. Like you said, work her up into that. I loved her in BvS, their banter and chemistry was gold. She's totally immune to his charm and he comes of as more of a batboy than a batman.
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spacetoaster posted:Just out of curiosity, what do you think feminism is? https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/feminism
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Glagha posted:The more i think about it more that the last fight scene was extremely anime. Like straight up DBZ. They talk for a while, someone flies at the other one, punches are exchanged, more talking, more floating around, and it ends with a straight up kamehameha. I would have liked it had this been what the Dragon Ball live action movie turned into. As it was in this movie is was more eehhhhhhhh but it was Wonder Woman so I cut it a hell of a lot of slack.
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Terrorist Fistbump posted:That lasso definitely should have seen more action. I do appreciate it doubled as a whip.
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Glagha posted:The more i think about it more that the last fight scene was extremely anime. Like straight up DBZ. They talk for a while, someone flies at the other one, punches are exchanged, more talking, more floating around, and it ends with a straight up kamehameha. I would have liked it had this been what the Dragon Ball live action movie turned into. As it was in this movie is was more eehhhhhhhh but it was Wonder Woman so I cut it a hell of a lot of slack. Yeah the whole "I win button"/super saiyan fight when she kills like 60 soldiers was pretty stupid as well. They couldn't be bothered to do another choreographed fight or something so they just made a really lazy fight that sucked horribly compared to watching her use her kick rear end warrior skills. That and the final fight weren't all that great at all. Still, film was solid with 2 good acts and I liked Dr.Poison, at least her look.
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lol. You had to look it up? Femdom indeed.
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MrJacobs posted:Yeah the whole "I win button"/super saiyan fight when she kills like 60 soldiers was pretty stupid as well. They couldn't be bothered to do another choreographed fight or something so they just made a really lazy fight that sucked horribly compared to watching her use her kick rear end warrior skills. That and the final fight weren't all that great at all. Still, film was solid with 2 good acts and I liked Dr.Poison, at least her look. In fairness to Wonder Woman's action petering out in quality towards the end as compared to the Superman movies, some of that is presumably from Man of Steel and Batman v Superman having an extra $75-100 million in budget. Suicide Squad had $25 million more than WW and had no good action, so it could have been a hell of a lot worse. Presumably Wonder Woman 2 will have a bigger budget to work with and Patty Jenkins will have learned from the experience of having gotten to make a second movie, so it can be even better.
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When a character murders fifty people in like three seconds, that's not a fight scene. That's a massacre scene.
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Sir Kodiak posted:In fairness to Wonder Woman's action petering out in quality towards the end as compared to the Superman movies, some of that is presumably from Man of Steel and Batman v Superman having an extra $75-100 million in budget. Suicide Squad had $25 million more than WW and had no good action, so it could have been a hell of a lot worse. Presumably Wonder Woman 2 will have a bigger budget to work with and Patty Jenkins will have learned from the experience of having gotten to make a second movie, so it can be even better. Holy poo poo they spent more on SS? Lol what a mess.
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spacetoaster posted:lol. You had to look it up? Femdom indeed. Sorry, did you have a point?
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McCloud posted:Sorry, did you have a point? On the top of my head.
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MarcusSA posted:Holy poo poo they spent more on SS? Lol what a mess. WW wishes it had character moments as strong as SS. McCloud posted:Sorry, did you have a point? Pretty sure it was this. https://twitter.com/dril/status/134787490526658561?lang=en
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wyoming posted:Pretty sure it was this. Nah, it was his attempt to compare the new ghostbusters to wonder woman.
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spacetoaster posted:Nah, it was his attempt to compare the new ghostbusters to wonder woman. What exactly do you think I meant by comparing those two?
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McCloud posted:What exactly do you think I meant by comparing those two? I just think WW was a much better movie if you want to go with a feminism angle. 
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spacetoaster posted:I just think WW was a much better movie if you want to go with a feminism angle. This isn't a a contest of which movie has the best feminism cred, neither did I mean to imply anything of the sort. What I meant was that the Ghostbusters movie, a reboot of of a movie very popular amongst white males, caught a lot of poo poo because it dared to cast 4 women (who didn't look like supermodels). That's literally all it took to get people up in arms over the movie, and I can bet you the people behind Wonder Woman paid a lot of attention to the reactions Ghostbusters got and tried extra hard not to say or include anything too controversial.
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Sir Kodiak posted:In fairness to Wonder Woman's action petering out in quality towards the end as compared to the Superman movies, some of that is presumably from Man of Steel and Batman v Superman having an extra $75-100 million in budget. Suicide Squad had $25 million more than WW and had no good action, so it could have been a hell of a lot worse. Presumably Wonder Woman 2 will have a bigger budget to work with and Patty Jenkins will have learned from the experience of having gotten to make a second movie, so it can be even better. Also, directing action is really loving hard, as evidenced by how many completely mediocre action movies there are, even ones with big budgets. I mean, They're just hurling money at the MCU now and it hasn't produced one fight scene that's on par with, say, Batman vs Room full of thugs, or the Smallville fight. Snyder has had a decade and a half to refine his action directing skills. Jenkins has not.
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Snowman_McK posted:Also, directing action is really loving hard, as evidenced by how many completely mediocre action movies there are, even ones with big budgets. I mean, They're just hurling money at the MCU now and it hasn't produced one fight scene that's on par with, say, Batman vs Room full of thugs, or the Smallville fight. Snyder has had a decade and a half to refine his action directing skills. Jenkins has not. Movie MCU or TV because Daredevil would like a word with you about the fight scenes.
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MarcusSA posted:Movie MCU or TV because Daredevil would like a word with you about the fight scenes. Nah, even they're a significant step down from they're imitating (the Raid and Oldboy, mostly). The best fight fight scene is still loving languidly paced like most extended take fight scenes. Also, with action as a story telling device, he gets exhausted through the course of that scene, forcing him to fall back on his extremely acrobatic spin kicks, just like a tired person would. Honestly, I'm not even convinced it's better than Arrow's fight scenes.
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It is funny how much people freaked out at Batman killing some genocidal war criminal paramilitary spec ops in self defense and to save a life, but Wonder Woman freaking out and using Flash-like superspeed to kill dozens of jerries mostly guilty of being pawns in a war they don't understand = AOK no problem. Of course WW in comics is the one that will kill sometimes if she has to, but not like that. Superman gets knocked through some buildings not by choice and snaps one neck and he's a bloodthirsty grimdark psychopath. Wonder Woman has a breakdown and murders dozens, FINALLY an optimistic movie now that we're free of Zack Snyder's murderverse!
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Snowman_McK posted:Honestly, I'm not even convinced it's better than Arrow's fight scenes. I gotta strongly disagree. Arrow's fights look like choreographed dance scenes at best. Lots of stupid, nonsensical flipping and obvious whiffs. Daredevil's fights had a brutality and weight to them Arrow has never touched. Agents of SHIELD has better (if fewer) fight scenes than Arrow.
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Snowman_McK posted:Nah, even they're a significant step down from they're imitating (the Raid and Oldboy, mostly). The best fight fight scene is still loving languidly paced like most extended take fight scenes. Also, with action as a story telling device, he gets exhausted through the course of that scene, forcing him to fall back on his extremely acrobatic spin kicks, just like a tired person would. Honestly, I'm not even convinced it's better than Arrow's fight scenes. Dude, tired people with awesome mystical ninja training totally fall back on simple acrobatic spinning kicks.
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Phylodox posted:I gotta strongly disagree. Arrow's fights look like choreographed dance scenes at best. Lots of stupid, nonsensical flipping and obvious whiffs. Daredevil's fights had a brutality and weight to them Arrow has never touched. Agents of SHIELD has better (if fewer) fight scenes than Arrow. Really, they just have different problems. Arrow cuts constantly, as if they have no faith in their actors' physical abilities (and those cuts make it impossible to tell if this is justified) Daredevil's tend to be really static. There's no footwork, there's no movement. Each little exchange or stanza takes place on a small square that both players are taped to. This is understandable, footwork is a hard thing for actual professional fighters to learn. Or they just drag out, as Daredevil wails on the guy (to emphasise brutality) while there's three more baddies just waiting. Either way, they aren't even as good as the zero budget Indonesian and Thai films and mid-budgeted Korean films they're working very hard to emulate.
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