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Al Borland Corp. posted:It is funny how much people freaked out at Batman killing some genocidal war criminal paramilitary spec ops in self defense and to save a life, but Wonder Woman freaking out and using Flash-like superspeed to kill dozens of jerries mostly guilty of being pawns in a war they don't understand = AOK no problem. Nazis aren't people though so it's ok to kill as many as you want
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I would place the freeway -> busy street -> Steve vs Bucky fight in Cap: Winter Solder above the BvS warehouse scene, though it's not truly a fair contest since the Winter Soldier one is more like multiple different scenes chained together really well. The BvS scene has a bit more clarity overall, but suffers a bit from the same issue as all the other Batman films where he, like, clearly isn't able to use his full bodily range of motion. WW is actually great about this in that you can tell her costume allows full range of motion in all extremities. So what I'm saying is that every character should wear a bustier and skirt from now on.
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Jun 28, 2017 02:32
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Yeah the slow mo shots of her twisting in mid air are gorgeous.
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BrianWilly posted:I would place the freeway -> busy street -> Steve vs Bucky fight in Cap: Winter Solder above the BvS warehouse scene, though it's not truly a fair contest since the Winter Soldier one is more like multiple different scenes chained together really well. The BvS scene has a bit more clarity overall, but suffers a bit from the same issue as all the other Batman films where he, like, clearly isn't able to use his full bodily range of motion. Yes he does, the cape doesn't exist during filming since it's CGI and the suit was designed so Affleck and the stunt guys could move freely.
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Jun 28, 2017 02:37
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Any lack of range of motion from Affleck is probably because he trains for beef over flexibility.
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BrianWilly posted:I would place the freeway -> busy street -> Steve vs Bucky fight in Cap: Winter Solder above the BvS warehouse scene, though it's not truly a fair contest since the Winter Soldier one is more like multiple different scenes chained together really well. The BvS scene has a bit more clarity overall, but suffers a bit from the same issue as all the other Batman films where he, like, clearly isn't able to use his full bodily range of motion. Can you be more specific about the range of motion issue? Because I think BvS is the one example of Batman fighting that actually figures out a way around it.
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Jun 28, 2017 02:54
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Yeah, during the warehouse scene Batman looked pretty spry/nimble while being this giant, hulking bruiser/brawler. It was awesome.
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The fight on the boat in Winter Soldier was pretty good but the rest of them have way too many quick cuts for me to appreciate. It was very distracting and not very good.
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I like how Wonder Woman's uniform makes her look like a stripper. It's the only good and memorable thing about the film.
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Jun 28, 2017 03:24
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Snowman_McK posted:Really, they just have different problems. Arrow cuts constantly, as if they have no faith in their actors' physical abilities (and those cuts make it impossible to tell if this is justified) Totally agree. Steven Amell was a guest wrestler in a WWE PPV against Stardust a year or so ago. A friend of mine, lifelong wrestling megafan who's never seen an episode of Arrow or even knew who Amell was claimed he was the best guest wrestler he's ever seen.
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Detective No. 27 posted:Totally agree. Steven Amell was a guest wrestler in a WWE PPV against Stardust a year or so ago. A friend of mine, lifelong wrestling megafan who's never seen an episode of Arrow or even knew who Amell was claimed he was the best guest wrestler he's ever seen. Amell (the lead, right? The one who definitely isn't Chris O'Donnell?) also showed up on Ninja Warrior and breezed through the course for charity. Whatever you think of him as an actor, he's a loving physical specimen.
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That salmon ladder, man.
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teagone posted:Yeah, during the warehouse scene Batman looked pretty spry/nimble while being this giant, hulking bruiser/brawler. It was awesome. My favourite thing about the scene was that it avoided the cliche whereby guys with guns run towards the hero so that he can punch them from where he is. Batman moves constantly.
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Snowman_McK posted:Amell (the lead, right? The one who definitely isn't Chris O'Donnell?) also showed up on Ninja Warrior and breezed through the course for charity. Whatever you think of him as an actor, he's a loving physical specimen. Yeah he's definitely legit. I was shocked as hell at his ninja warrior run. I knew he had skills but damm.
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Snowman_McK posted:My favourite thing about the scene was that it avoided the cliche whereby guys with guns run towards the hero so that he can punch them from where he is. Batman moves constantly. The best is the guy who shoots him point blank in the back of the head, which does nothing but make him even more angry.
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MrJacobs posted:The best is the guy who shoots him point blank in the back of the head, which does nothing but make him even more angry. He shoots twice and the only person that gets it worse is the guy who managed to stab him. 
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MrJacobs posted:The best is the guy who shoots him point blank in the back of the head, which does nothing but make him even more angry. Yeah, Batman's annoyed but furious 'garrgh!' is amazing.
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Snowman_McK posted:Yeah, Batman's annoyed but furious 'garrgh!' is amazing. He basically reacted the same way I would when stubbing my toe or stepping on a lego.
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McCloud posted:He basically reacted the same way I would when stubbing my toe or stepping on a lego. I like that the movie manages to have the ultimate 'Batman as power fantasy' and 'Batman as troubled weirdo' scenes together in the same movie.
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Snowman_McK posted:Can you be more specific about the range of motion issue? Because I think BvS is the one example of Batman fighting that actually figures out a way around it. It's not exactly about him being bulky, either. If you watch pro wrestling, you see that all these brickhouses come across real flexible and all swinging limbs and light as feathers. One of my favorite..."hits," I guess, in Wonder Woman is soon after she jumps into the upper room with those soldiers in it, and she swings her arm practically 360 degrees to konk a soldier in his helmet, knocking him flat. The arc of the blow really sells the momentum and impact of the hit because, when it comes to visualizing action, exaggeration is almost always better than subtlety. It's why one of the moments that usually come right to mind when people think of that BvS scene is Batman grabbing a dude, leaping over a crate, and then slamming that dude into the crate. Big arcs, big anticipation, big action, big reaction.
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BrianWilly posted:It's many orders of magnitude better than the Nolan fights, mind you. They mostly make it work in BvS by sticking with the close-in, elbows tight, hunkered fistfighting that works for an armored combatant, but there are still various moments where maybe blows just a fraction longer to land or his joints bend just a few degrees less than they should. Tiny bits like that can make a huge difference, especially when they stack up over time, and makes it seem clear, to me at least, that the suit is still hindering him more than it isn't. I've watched the scene a fair few times, and I still have no idea what you mean. Don't suppose you could show us a gif.
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The unfortunate thing about Wonder Woman is that even its supporters put it into little boxes and say 'this part is fish out of water,' or 'this is the end fight,' or whatever, without actually looking at what's going on in a given scene. For example, the point of the 'you let that little thing tell you what to do?' scene is that - at that point in history - mass-produced wristwatches and even the concept of standard time were recent developments, born of the industrial revolution. The watch given to Steve Trevor by his father is not some ancient family heirloom but, rather, one of the first of its kind. This pegs Steve as 'a child of the industrial revolution' - and the part about 'being told what to do' is obviously tied to the "where I'm from we call that slavery" joke. These (intelligent, adult) characters are talking about wage labor (pejoratively: wage slavery), which Diana's double-entendre links to patriarchy. If you want to talk Wonder Woman and feminism, this is what you should be examining -not measuring hemlines.
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Detective No. 27 posted:That salmon ladder, man.  Is that physically possible?
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Charlz Guybon posted:
Yup. As I understand it, the salmon ladder is in Arrow because the actor was working out like that in real life, and the TV people were so impressed by it that they wanted it in the show.
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Charlz Guybon posted:
Stephen Amell teaches you how! https://www.facebook.com/stephenamell/videos/768498516568751/
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Charlz Guybon posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1uOfYShAKM
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Charlz Guybon posted:
The salmon ladder is practically Arrow's signature training exercise at this point. 
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:The unfortunate thing about Wonder Woman is that even its supporters put it into little boxes and say 'this part is fish out of water,' or 'this is the end fight,' or whatever, without actually looking at what's going on in a given scene. Tell me about the other part of that scene where they spend like an awkward full 30 seconds off and on talking about his dick.
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Glagha posted:Tell me about the other part of that scene where they spend like an awkward full 30 seconds off and on talking about his dick. He included the best dick joke right there in the post
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BrianWilly posted:It's not exactly about him being bulky, either. If you watch pro wrestling, you see that all these brickhouses come across real flexible and all swinging limbs and light as feathers. The thing about this is that it looks stupid and bad, and exactly like what it is, two guys cooperating to do some poo poo that couldn't even concievably occur in real life. It's not even selfconsciously stupid, like gunkata.
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Wrestling is stupid and bad, yes. Except that time Batman showed up.
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No, wrestling is good. That is bad.
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quote:A wrestler holding a microphone faced an Appalachian crowd before a match and began unleashing a torrent of insults, the nature of which seemed out of place at a pro wrestling tournament. Wrestling’s new villain named himself ‘Progressive Liberal.’ Hillary’s on his shirt.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Wrestling’s new villain named himself ‘Progressive Liberal.’ Hillary’s on his shirt. He needs a crew called "The Tolerant Left"
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Stephen Amell teaches you how! He is a cool dude and I like him.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The thing about this is that it looks stupid and bad, and exactly like what it is, two guys cooperating to do some poo poo that couldn't even concievably occur in real life. It's not even selfconsciously stupid, like gunkata. Do you think people are fighting for real in movies?
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Davros1 posted:Do you think people are fighting for real in movies? I think a fight scene failing to sell the fight in the heat of the moment is a valid complaint. It might necessarily be the fault of the costumes/actors but could be a matter of the same stuff edited a little differently, whatever.
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Neo Rasa posted:I think a fight scene failing to sell the fight in the heat of the moment is a valid complaint. It might necessarily be the fault of the costumes/actors but could be a matter of the same stuff edited a little differently, whatever. Selling a fight how? I mean most of the time you have people getting punched in the face several times with no consecutive damage or anything, not even a stumble or knockdown.
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MrJacobs posted:Selling a fight how? I mean most of the time you have people getting punched in the face several times with no consecutive damage or anything, not even a stumble or knockdown. I didn't say "realistic," I said being able to sell the fight in the heat of the moment, there's a huge difference (BrianWilly's other examples from BvS and Wonder Woman are actually a very good examples).
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MrJacobs posted:Selling a fight how? By not doing this. https://streamable.com/cmctg
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