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The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Shinku ABOOKEN posted:

[sound of thousands of russian tanks revving their engines]

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Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kd_xVtcG5Dc&t=180s

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

maskenfreiheit posted:

I use DuckDuckGo :cool:

using duckduckgo is unabomber level of weird

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

LastInLine posted:

using duckduckgo is unabomber level of weird

i think you are underestimating richard stallman here but i guess he hasn't blown anything up

that we know of

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

LastInLine posted:

using duckduckgo is unabomber level of weird

yeah, agreed. same with bing

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

flakeloaf posted:

canadians think the same thing and we just finished telling zuck that he has to follow our rules

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/supreme-court-gives-thumbs-up-to-privacy-lawsuit-against-facebook/article35444477/

nice

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

akadajet posted:

yeah, agreed. same with bing

bing actually doesn't freak out when you use tor, unlike google that shows crazy captchas, i fall back to bing when ddg isn't working

i guess i should start looking into rural land?

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
i use bing the exact amount to pick up $5 amazon credit every 3 months or so.

ufarn
May 30, 2009

maskenfreiheit posted:

i was chatting with some people from a couple of EU data protection offices* once, and they apparently take the view that if you are interacting with dutch or french citizens' data, that their data protection comissioners have juridiction (regardless of if there's a physical server farm present)

so when they're done with google they'll probably gently caress the zuck


*pretty much all of them have an office of the privacy commissioner or data protection commissioner or something along those lines
swear to god, he better not do one of those loving apology tours through europe

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

LastInLine posted:

using duckduckgo is unabomber level of weird

i assume anyone using duckduckgo is looking for illegal pornography but is too dum to realize that their isp still sees everywhere they go even if their search engine doesnt

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

ufarn posted:

swear to god, he better not do one of those loving apology tours through europe

that would mean he wants to literally be president of the world not just figuratively by being president of america so yeah that would be bad

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

cis autodrag posted:

i assume anyone using duckduckgo is looking for illegal pornography but is too dum to realize that their isp still sees everywhere they go even if their search engine doesnt

some of them use tor to find their child porn, such as

maskenfreiheit posted:

bing actually doesn't freak out when you use tor, unlike google that shows crazy captchas, i fall back to bing when ddg isn't working

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

The Management posted:

some of them use tor to find their child porn, such as

lol. there's like 10 different known attacks for ummasking tor users. i guess more proof that pedophiles are the result of degenerative brain diseases.

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

The Management posted:

some of them use tor to find their child porn

"if you don't want michael rogers to personally rub his balls on each of your packets you are literally a child molester"

cis autodrag posted:

lol. there's like 10 different known attacks for ummasking tor users. i guess more proof that pedophiles are the result of degenerative brain diseases.

yeah if you're enabling javascript like some scrub

akadajet
Sep 14, 2003

maskenfreiheit and cis autodrag are both the same people. that's why their avatars look so similar.

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004
my real name is ken m

The MUMPSorceress
Jan 6, 2012


^SHTPSTS

Gary’s Answer

akadajet posted:

maskenfreiheit and cis autodrag are both the same people. that's why their avatars look so similar.

lol i hope this theory catches on with the right people

aardvaard
Mar 4, 2013

you belong in the bog of eternal stench

maskenfreiheit posted:

"if you don't want michael rogers to personally rub his balls on each of your packets you are literally a child molester"

tell us

do you use tor for daily browsing

ClassActionFursuit
Mar 15, 2006

maskenfreiheit posted:

bing actually doesn't freak out when you use tor, unlike google that shows crazy captchas, i fall back to bing when ddg isn't working

i guess i should start looking into rural land?

i just assume anyone who uses tor does so for child pornography and i would hope the police would assume the same

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

LastInLine posted:

i just assume anyone who uses tor does so for child pornography and i would hope the police would assume the same

other than that and international terrorism there isn't much to be said for it

being a journalist or a secret agent who wants to phone home are pretty important and what it was built for but c'mon let's be honest

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004
use tor every day

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
if you're okay with being cover for pedophiles doing pedophile things

aardvaard
Mar 4, 2013

you belong in the bog of eternal stench

i use tor to defend true american heroes: teenagers buying drugs and pedophiles trading child porn

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?
tor is so compromised that the government is using the breaches to catch pedos. if there was anything important that they needed to observe on tor they wouldn't have made it known that they can monitor it.

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

The Management posted:

tor is so compromised that the government is using the breaches to catch pedos. if there was anything important that they needed to observe on tor they wouldn't have made it known that they can monitor it.

the torpedo story was great

the fact that the department of defense got caught with its pants down was a little :tif: though

you know that is how the russians get you

Dodoman
Feb 26, 2009



A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret
Lipstick Apathy
i went to the stylish site to find an updated theme for google news and wtf happened to stylish it's impossible to sort things on the site anymore, who designed this garbage?

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Dodoman posted:

i went to the stylish site to find an updated theme for google news and wtf happened to stylish it's impossible to sort things on the site anymore, who designed this garbage?



sort by what? i see "most popular" "newest styles" or "recently updated" in the upper left.

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug
tor itself isn't compromised, it's just that idiots do stupid things like tor->vpn use a non-bundled browser, and happily post identifying information through it

and don't forget ordering drugs online w/ bitcoin, the by far most popular and core feature of tor

Dodoman
Feb 26, 2009



A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret
Lipstick Apathy

Last Chance posted:

sort by what? i see "most popular" "newest styles" or "recently updated" in the upper left.

that takes you to a general sorted list, you used to be able to apply those sort filters by site

Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Dodoman posted:

that takes you to a general sorted list, you used to be able to apply those sort filters by site

oic. lovely. i was going to make fun of you for using user styles, then i realized i still use one to fix all the weird breadcrumb poo poo and gradients that they added to SA years ago lol

Workaday Wizard
Oct 23, 2009

by Pragmatica

syscall girl posted:

the torpedo story was great

the fact that the department of defense got caught with its pants down was a little :tif: though

you know that is how the russians get you

there will never be a better codename for anything

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

Bhodi posted:

tor itself isn't compromised, it's just that idiots do stupid things like tor->vpn use a non-bundled browser, and happily post identifying information through it

and don't forget ordering drugs online w/ bitcoin, the by far most popular and core feature of tor

How is mixing a VPN with Tor bad?

Your ISP knows who you are. So if you go ISP -> Tor, and Tor is somehow compromised, the feds just ask "who is the customer at IP 219.420.867.309?"

If you go ISP -> VPN -> Tor, that's an additional hurdle. They might have your credit card info, but they'd probably need to then also go to the CC company to get your details. (And that's assuming the VPN provider is both in the states and reasonably happy to help LEOs.)

Or is there some technical issue I'm missing? (Then again I'm assuming you establish a VPN connection then boot up TBB not some weird custom rolleded thing)

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug

maskenfreiheit posted:

How is mixing a VPN with Tor bad?

Your ISP knows who you are. So if you go ISP -> Tor, and Tor is somehow compromised, the feds just ask "who is the customer at IP 219.420.867.309?"

If you go ISP -> VPN -> Tor, that's an additional hurdle. They might have your credit card info, but they'd probably need to then also go to the CC company to get your details. (And that's assuming the VPN provider is both in the states and reasonably happy to help LEOs.)

Or is there some technical issue I'm missing? (Then again I'm assuming you establish a VPN connection then boot up TBB not some weird custom rolleded thing)
https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/64583/vpn-tor-go-to-jail-whats-the-logic-behind-this

tldr if you go tor->vpn it deanonymizes you because you give your personal details to the VPN provider. proper usage is the other way around, vpn->tor

Jabor
Jul 16, 2010

#1 Loser at SpaceChem
tbh the sort of traffic analysis and side-channel leakage that tends to deanonymize tor users still works just fine even if you're tunneling through a vpn first.

Bhodi
Dec 9, 2007

Oh, it's just a cat.
Pillbug
sadly true; it's better than nothing though, avoiding being low-hanging fruit and as long as you aren't under active investigation. hell being even slightly informed as to limitations and capabilities puts you far beyond almost every user tbh, there are proper opsec guides if you google around

haven't kept up on the research on whether side channels can pull out specific websites yet or what kind of metadata you're leaking, because I don't really have a pressing need beyond idle semi-professional curiosity

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

Bhodi posted:

https://security.stackexchange.com/questions/64583/vpn-tor-go-to-jail-whats-the-logic-behind-this

tldr if you go tor->vpn it deanonymizes you because you give your personal details to the VPN provider. proper usage is the other way around, vpn->tor

ah, I thought you were saying VPN -> Tor is bad.

Reverse makes sense.

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

Jabor posted:

tbh the sort of traffic analysis and side-channel leakage that tends to deanonymize tor users still works just fine even if you're tunneling through a vpn first.

Anything the NSA thinks stinks is good enough for me.

Notorious b.s.d.
Jan 25, 2003

by Reene

maskenfreiheit posted:

Anything the NSA thinks stinks is good enough for me.

some important notes:
  • they were mostly mad they couldn't guarantee de-anonymisation on demand -- if you're a person of interest they have always been able to nail you. their "tor stinks" problem was always de-anonymisation of arbitrary persons after the fact, not de-anonymising specific targets.

  • this presentation is from 2012

  • already, in 2012, they had concluded it was in their best interests for targets to default to using tor

maskenfreiheit
Dec 30, 2004

Notorious b.s.d. posted:

[*]already, in 2012, they had concluded it was in their best interests for targets to default to using tor
[/list]

That was mostly because content exits Tor unencrypted (save for HTTPS, which had much less adoption in 2012), so they can start up malicious nodes and watch (or inject)

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Dodoman
Feb 26, 2009



A moment of laxity
A lifetime of regret
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