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What is the best flav... you all know what this question is:
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Labour 907 49.92%
Theresa May Team (Conservative) 48 2.64%
Liberal Democrats 31 1.71%
UKIP 13 0.72%
Plaid Cymru 25 1.38%
Green 22 1.21%
Scottish Socialist Party 12 0.66%
Scottish Conservative Party 1 0.06%
Scottish National Party 59 3.25%
Some Kind of Irish Unionist 4 0.22%
Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian 3 0.17%
Some Kind of Irish Nationalist 36 1.98%
Misc. Far Left Trots 35 1.93%
Misc. Far Right Fash 8 0.44%
Monster Raving Loony 49 2.70%
Space Navies Party 39 2.15%
Independent / Single Issue 2 0.11%
Can't Vote 188 10.35%
Won't Vote 8 0.44%
Spoiled Ballot 15 0.83%
Pissflaps 312 17.17%
Total: 1817 votes
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communism bitch
Apr 24, 2009
Civ3 is still the best Civ, but SMAC/SMAX is better than all of them put together.

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Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

Doctor_Fruitbat posted:

What is with this recent trend of politicians demanding that other politicians stop politicising things? It's like their backs are against the wall and they have no options left to justify anything they do, so they just demand that their opponents stop opposing them. It plays nicely with the 'why don't these people stop arguing all the time and just sort things out' crowd too.

Like you say it's just a back against the wall, no good response thing. If it's an argument you can't win then try to delegitimise the argument itself.

It's the same as Gove going on tv to say "Let's all calm down about Grenfell Tower", it's obvious bollocks but often effective.

kustomkarkommando
Oct 22, 2012

Ewan posted:

What is the consequence of an amendment to the Queen's speech getting raised by the opposition and passing (obvs aside from the amendment becoming Gov policy)? Is it just embarrassment or are there other consequences?

Its a bit vague but broadly by convention it was seen that a successfully amendment should lead to a resignation, this is complicated cause traditionally the opposition would attempt to field a no confidence amendment and its successfully passage would have been a pre-FTPA no confidence motion necessitating a resignation, and the vast majority of successful amendments where of this character - however this kind of fell out of practice and now the opposition field amendments that are usually "this house regrets the speech makes no reference to policy x,y,z" (which is how all tabled amendments this year are constructed).

So if any of these amendments pass they aren't explicitly no confidence motions, even by pre-FTPA standards.

However the broad convention that a failure to win a division on an amendment would be a devastating blow to an incoming government that would compel a resignation was still relatively accepted that research briefings published by parliament up until May 2016 still maintained that a defeat on an amendment would compel a resignation.

In 2016 Cameron faced a back bench revolt over TTIP and the NHS and an amendment was tabled to insert language regretting no provisions had been made to protect the NHS. Cameron folded on the issue and avoided a division by accepting the amendment without a vote with no adverse consequences - if it had progressed to a vote it would have prompted questions about his personal tenability as prime minister but the fact a vote was dodged made it more of an embarrassment than an outright defeat.

Subsequently parliamentary briefings have been altered to say that a successful amendment does not necessitate a resignation but would amount a test of strength of the government - the opposition and even those within the Tories could argue that given Mays position losing such a test of strength should compel May to resign based on a loss of personal mandate (as she can resign whenever she wishes) but she wouldn't be compelled constitutionally by convention to do so

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you
Civ 5 had one unit per tile didn't they? Did 6 try and fix that. The game got too easy after that. Military victories which were a challenge to me in 4 became an every day occurrence as the AI couldn't handle troop placement.

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

quote:

More than half of those surveyed - 53% - would support detaining people indefinitely at the time of a suspected terrorist attack without putting them on trial. UK law restricts this to 14 days
Seven in 10 people believed that authorities should have the right to stop and search people if a terrorist attack is suspected. Currently, a police officer can only stop and search without "reasonable grounds" if a senior police officer has authorised it in advance
80% think the government should have the right to keep people under video surveillance in public areas, while 50% think the government should have the right to monitor emails and information exchanged online
There has been a decline in the proportion of people who say that it is acceptable not to obey a law, even if that law is wrong, to 24%. The highest percentage was recorded 25 years earlier in 1991, when 37% believed this
So hyped for indefinite detention for not obeying one of T. May's awfully written laws banning pleasure and internets.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

Smiling? That's 5 years in the cube

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

mediadave posted:

yeah, and that's fine. 'nukes are inherently evil' etc etc is a perfectly decent argument.


'Our friends have nuclear weapons' isn't though an argument to get rid of our nuclear deterrent.

It's not a decent argument. Nuclear weapons are the reason there wasnt a Third World War, they've saved an incalculable number of lives. Nuclear devices are the first machines ever to create peace, they are one of mankinds greatest achievements.

mfcrocker
Jan 31, 2004



Hot Rope Guy

The DPRK posted:

Is Civ 6 good? I enjoyed Civ 5 with mates but found the multiplayer really loving cumbersome and was hoping they'd fix it in the next installment. £50 loving quid though...

It's on sale on Steam at the mo. £30 on its own, £32 with XCOM 2 in a bundle, £22.50 if you already have XCOM 2

hakimashou
Jul 15, 2002
Upset Trowel

Pissflaps posted:

I think we can all agree that nuclear weapons are bad and the world would be better if nobody had them.

The difference is in how we should respond until that is the case.

The world would be much, much worse if no one had nuclear weapons.

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.

communism bitch posted:

Civ3 is still the best Civ

We're a dying breed friend

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

hakimashou posted:

The world would be much, much worse if no one had nuclear weapons.

Yeah okay, Mr. "we should've completely glassed the ussr after World War 2"

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
according to the Liverpool echo Jon snow was wandering around Glastonbury wasted and shouting gently caress the Tories

Barry Foster
Dec 24, 2007

What is going wrong with that one (face is longer than it should be)

Captain Fargle posted:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40423052

Labour is going to force a vote today on an end to the public sector pay cap.

Mmm-mmm, that's some goood politics. Delicious.

Miftan
Mar 31, 2012

Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

https://www.indy100.com/article/flys-london-newcastle-spain-cheaper-pubic-transport-train-menorca-7810996

Why yes, train prices are fine, why do you ask?

Vitamin P
Nov 19, 2013

Truth is game rigging is more difficult than it looks pls stay ded

hakimashou posted:

It's not a decent argument. Nuclear weapons are the reason there wasnt a Third World War, they've saved an incalculable number of lives. Nuclear devices are the first machines ever to create peace, they are one of mankinds greatest achievements.

Come off it flaps, I support the UK having nukes and think the PM should act like they would do a retaliatory strike, but this is just an inane wind up.

Kurtofan
Feb 16, 2011

hon hon hon

Vitamin P posted:

Come off it flaps, I support the UK having nukes and think the PM should act like they would do a retaliatory strike, but this is just an inane wind up.

that's not flaps

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-40419819

number one pta fan
Sep 6, 2011

my work is my play play
every day pay day
Duckenfield and Bettison amongst 6 facing charges for Hillsborough.

I'm in tears. Never thought I'd see this. HJC and HFSG activist for years.

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


quote:

Fallon says government has to 'consider' lifting public sector pay cap

Sir Michael Fallon, the defence secretary, has also hinted that he favours lifting the public sector pay cap, PoliticsHome reports. Fallon was asked about pay at the end of his speech to the Royal United Services Institute (Rusi) this morning and he replied:

That is obviously a huge question.

It’s partly a matter for the pay review bodies but it also involves a forecast of where you expect inflation to be. I think we expect inflation to start falling back again from the autumn onwards.

But it is obviously something we have to consider not just for the army but right across the public sector as a whole.

Looks like the Defense Secretary might support Labour's amendment :q:

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Good. If you're too gutless to own your own fuckups then you should be up against a wall facing the music.

WhiskeyWhiskers
Oct 14, 2013


"هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)
Just imagine if the US didn't have nukes post wwii and the USSR was able to overrun Western Europe after the Allies had demobilised. What a wonderful world that would be.

Thanks Ants
May 21, 2004

#essereFerrari


DancingShade posted:

Good. If you're too gutless to own your own fuckups then you should be up against a wall facing the music.

Yeah, the pendulum had swung far too far towards the "welp I guess it was an institutional gently caress-up and nobody is really responsible for this".

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009


Today seems to be shaping up for a good one.

Communist Thoughts
Jan 7, 2008

Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!


Kurtofan posted:

that's not flaps

haki is worse than flaps, he's a genuinely awful, stupid person, flaps is just a genuinely boring unpleasant person.
Both should be on ignore tho.

Please don't restart nukechat.

Also some people are getting charged over hillsborough so we can see how british justice works, in 28 years the council leaders who burned the guys at grenfell to death will be "facing charges" too, the system works!

Spuckuk
Aug 11, 2009

Being a bastard works



Tesseraction posted:

Today seems to be shaping up for a good one.

JFT96 might actually happen

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

Kurtofan posted:

that's not flaps

if it looks like a flaps, quacks like a flaps, then it's a flaps

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

number one pta fan posted:

Duckenfield and Bettison amongst 6 facing charges for Hillsborough.

I'm in tears. Never thought I'd see this. HJC and HFSG activist for years.

excellent news.

hopefully it wont take this long for those responsible for Grenfield to have some charges brought against them

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Thanks Ants posted:

Yeah, the pendulum had swung far too far towards the "welp I guess it was an institutional gently caress-up and nobody is really responsible for this".

Yep. The only people who believe that (pretty sure at heart nobody believes it) are the people in charge who are running from responsibility.

MikeCrotch
Nov 5, 2011

I AM UNJUSTIFIABLY PROUD OF MY SPAGHETTI BOLOGNESE RECIPE

YES, IT IS AN INCREDIBLY SIMPLE DISH

NO, IT IS NOT NORMAL TO USE A PEPPERAMI INSTEAD OF MINCED MEAT

YES, THERE IS TOO MUCH SALT IN MY RECIPE

NO, I WON'T STOP SHARING IT

more like BOLLOCKnese

communism bitch posted:

Civ3 is still the best Civ, but SMAC/SMAX is better than all of them put together.

I have never played a Civ game past 2 because whenever I get the urge I just play Alpha Centauri again

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing
I will never get over them making Bettison chief constable here on Merseyside, loving hell

number one pta fan
Sep 6, 2011

my work is my play play
every day pay day
A few high-profile Hillsborough activists spoke very highly of Theresa May around the time of the Tory leadership contest.

quote:

Chairman of the Hillsborough Family Support Group Margaret Aspinall told the ECHO she was happy Ms May would be the country’s next Prime Minister. She said: “Everything she has promised us she has fulfilled. “We’ve met her predecessors and no one, apart from Alan Johnson, listened to us at all. “When we got a Conservative government we didn’t know how things would pan out but she has done even more for us than she said she would.”

quote:

Barry Devonside, dad of 18-year-old victim Christopher , said: “Of all the people we’ve been involved with, from a political point of view, she has been very sympathetic to our cause.“The former Bishop of Liverpool James Jones meets her on a regular basis and has given me good reports.” He added: “I’m a member of the Labour party but out of all of the candidates I am pleased she will be our next Prime Minister. “If she’s appointed Prime Minister I doubt we’ll be dealing with her any longer over Hillsborough and from that point of view I’m sorry but I wish her well.”

I didn't know exactly what to do with or think about that information at the time and I'm even less sure now. Broken clocks are correct twice a day?

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless

c0burn posted:

I will never get over them making Bettison chief constable here on Merseyside, loving hell

drat I didn't know that.

the crazy thing is I remember watching Hillsborough on TV at the time because I was a little kid who enjoyed watching the footy, and basically from what I recall John Motson was talking through what was happening and basically called exactly what happen, that there were too many people in that area and couldn't understand why they were still being let in.

at no point did he mention crowd trouble or anything like that.

the cover up was shocking and the culpability of those responsible clear to see. I hope they get found guilty.

Chucat
Apr 14, 2006

MikeCrotch posted:

I have never played a Civ game past 2 because whenever I get the urge I just play Alpha Centauri again

Civ 4 goes for dirt cheap now and it also loving owns and I'll gladly teach anyone that game whenever there's time.

Broken Cog
Dec 29, 2009

We're all friends here
Civ4 Beyond the Sword is probably the best the series ever got. If you have to pick up one of them, that's what I'd recommend.

c0burn
Sep 2, 2003

The KKKing

JFairfax posted:

drat I didn't know that.

the crazy thing is I remember watching Hillsborough on TV at the time because I was a little kid who enjoyed watching the footy, and basically from what I recall John Motson was talking through what was happening and basically called exactly what happen, that there were too many people in that area and couldn't understand why they were still being let in.

at no point did he mention crowd trouble or anything like that.

the cover up was shocking and the culpability of those responsible clear to see. I hope they get found guilty.

This is such a weird watch knowing what we now know:

https://youtu.be/ypE5TG2UPNk

Des knew.

Junior G-man
Sep 15, 2004

Wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma


Corbae doing PMQs now. Looks like it's going Grenfell towers.

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
http://www.parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/de9cc815-b492-4d39-8bd0-23f8ca2b0e59

JFairfax
Oct 23, 2008

by FactsAreUseless
'was the cladding on grenfell tower legal?'

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

lol May sounds so shook

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sebzilla
Mar 17, 2009

Kid's blasting everything in sight with that new-fangled musket.


Broken Cog posted:

Civ4 Beyond the Sword is probably the best the series ever got. If you have to pick up one of them, that's what I'd recommend.

Civ 4 is the best and the Rhyes And Fall mod (or the still improving Dawn of Civilization) are even better if you like historical goals and maps and stuff.

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