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Independence Day 2: Resturgeonce | 44 | 21.36% | |
ScotPol - Unclustering this gently caress | 19 | 9.22% | |
Trainspotting 2: Independence is my heroin | 9 | 4.37% | |
Indyref II: Boris hosed a Dead Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol: Wings over Bullshit | 8 | 3.88% | |
Independence 2: Cameron Lied, UK Died | 24 | 11.65% | |
Scotpol IV: I Vow To Flee My Country | 14 | 6.80% | |
ScotPol - A twice in a generation thread | 17 | 8.25% | |
ScotPol - Where Everything's hosed Up and the Referendums Don't Matter | 15 | 7.28% | |
ScotPol Thread: Dependence Referendum Incoming | 2 | 0.97% | |
Indyref II: The Scottish Insturgeoncy | 10 | 4.85% | |
ScotPol Thread: Act of European Union | 5 | 2.43% | |
ScotPol - Like Game of Thrones only we wish we would all die | 25 | 12.14% | |
Total: | 206 votes |
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The idea that Scotland has some kind of duty to vote Labour is a big reason for the Scottish Labour collapse. If SLab want people to vote for them then perhaps they should stop being so poo poo, rather than just whining about the SNP non stop.
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# ? Jun 28, 2017 14:00 |
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# ? May 11, 2024 16:18 |
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Saying that a tory govt helps the case for independence and saying that the snp are actively trying to bring about a tory govt are different things and the first doesn't prove the second. I'm sure there are all sorts of nefarious evil schemes that would theoretically increase the chances of independence but to accuse the snp of actually doing them you'd still need actual evidence of them doing so.
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# ? Jun 28, 2017 14:06 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:We could be seeing Prime Minister Jeremy Corbyn in a progressive partnership with the SNP What's your definition of progressive? Doing gently caress all and not improving or fixing the current issues with their new powers they have been granted? Jedit posted:To not stand for Westminster as they can't achieve anything there, in exchange for extracting pledges of support for Scotland from both major parties? Probably impractical to be fair, but still better than loving the left wing. Not going to happen. The DUP pretty much backing up the Tories has just proven that the smaller regional parties with at least 10 seats can achieve what they want when the main UK government needs them to function. The SNP are not going to remove themselves based on promises & pledges of support.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 03:31 |
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Seems like this would be right up Pissflaps street, a Scots translation of Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stane is out, at long last.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 11:04 |
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Phonetic spelling is not translation.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 11:24 |
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Extreme0 posted:What's your definition of progressive? Doing gently caress all and not improving or fixing the current issues with their new powers they have been granted? There is a major difference between the SNP and the DUP, in that the DUP are not a single issue party aiming to leave the political body they would be helping to govern. We've been over this before - so long as the SNP want independence for Scotland, they cannot be in coalition with any UK party.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 11:38 |
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There is no reason the SNP can't form a coalition or confidence and supply arrangement with Labour. You are being silly about the SNP again Jedit. Wish I could say I'm surprised you seem to like the DUP more than them...
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 13:29 |
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marktheando posted:There is no reason the SNP can't form a coalition or confidence and supply arrangement with Labour. You are being silly about the SNP again Jedit. Thanks for assuming that because I said the SNP and DUP are different, it must mean I like the DUP. That isn't in any way an ad hominem strawman. And I've been over why the SNP cannot form a coalition with Labour, you're just not listening to either me or them.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 13:54 |
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Jedit posted:Thanks for assuming that because I said the SNP and DUP are different, it must mean I like the DUP. That isn't in any way an ad hominem strawman. Well remind me what your reason is then, I can't think of one.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 13:59 |
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the 👏only 👏ethical 👏 nationalism 👏 is 👏 my 👏 nationalism
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 14:05 |
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marktheando posted:There is no reason the SNP can't form a coalition or confidence and supply arrangement with Labour. You are being silly about the SNP again Jedit. Well they said they explicitly wouldn't do that, the best they would do was issue-by-issue agreements. The SNP will never enter into a Confidence and Supply agreement with a UK Government as that ties them to agreeing with the budget which has a direct impact on the Scottish coffers. I mean you're looking at a party that opposed Sunday opening in England and Wales because of the tangential effect it could have on Scottish workers. There's no way they're signing up to Westminster budgets.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 14:29 |
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Aramoro posted:The SNP will never enter into a Confidence and Supply agreement with a UK Government as that ties them to agreeing with the budget which has a direct impact on the Scottish coffers. I'm afraid I really don't follow this. In the event of Labour relying on SNP votes for a budget the party could easily a) extract some concessions in the budget and crow about how influential and helpful they are regardless of how tiny the concessions are b) make some serious faces about how the budget is not ideal in their eyes but while Scotland is shackled to the dreaded Union the SNP will do their best to ensure that the Tories are not allowed to rule over scotland look at how progressive and brave we are etc etc.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 14:48 |
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Angepain posted:I'm afraid I really don't follow this. In the event of Labour relying on SNP votes for a budget the party could easily a) extract some concessions in the budget and crow about how influential and helpful they are regardless of how tiny the concessions are b) make some serious faces about how the budget is not ideal in their eyes but while Scotland is shackled to the dreaded Union the SNP will do their best to ensure that the Tories are not allowed to rule over scotland look at how progressive and brave we are etc etc. A confidence and supply agreement says you'll support the budget as it's presented, what you're suggesting is going issue-by-issue. So thanks for agreeing with me I guess.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 15:21 |
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Aramoro posted:A confidence and supply agreement says you'll support the budget as it's presented, what you're suggesting is going issue-by-issue. So thanks for agreeing with me I guess. Supporting the budget as presented would be b).
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 15:34 |
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Angepain posted:Supporting the budget as presented would be b). So a confidence and supply agreement which they ruled out doing? They've ruled it out doing it, its not just theory-crafting on my part.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 15:52 |
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It was the reasoning why that I didn't follow. Also isn't the Tory-DUP deal a confidence and supply? That still involved budgetary concessions by the Tories which is what I was talking about.
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# ? Jun 29, 2017 19:31 |
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For the SNP its ideological and political, they can't be seen to prop up a UK government thry do not want to be a part of. The same reason Sien Fein don't take uo their seats really. We'll never really know if they would have gone for because the maths didn't support it this time round. But they certainly said they wouldn't do it.
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# ? Jun 30, 2017 15:59 |
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Is anyone in this thread taking part in the boycott of Highland Spring mineral water?
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 14:20 |
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No
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 14:33 |
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If drinking tap water means you are boycotting them then yes.
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 15:37 |
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Pissflaps posted:Is anyone in this thread taking part in the boycott of Highland Spring mineral water? Is this another of your hugely successful boycotts?
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 15:47 |
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mehall posted:Is this another of your hugely successful boycotts? No I'm not taking part in it.
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 15:55 |
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Pissflaps posted:Is anyone in this thread taking part in the boycott of Highland Spring mineral water? Why are they being boycotted?
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 16:49 |
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Pissflaps is either referring to the backlash to comments by the boss of Highland Spring telling Sturgeon to stop pushing for independence or the shocking revelation that Highland Spring mineral water is Halal certified.
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 17:07 |
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Because the CEO doesn't want another referendum.
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 17:07 |
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Baron Corbyn posted:the shocking revelation that Highland Spring mineral water is Halal certified. is there any reason why bottled water wouldn't/couldn't be halal certified?
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 17:37 |
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Niric posted:is there any reason why bottled water wouldn't/couldn't be halal certified? Additives, potentially.
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# ? Jul 4, 2017 18:02 |
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Happy 4th of July
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 06:24 |
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Scottish economy still doing poo poo quote:Scottish GDP figures to be published That graph is really interesting. The sharp break around Q2-Q3 2015 is odd, any thoughts? It'd be useful to see it going back further, since the Scottish economy has lagged for a long time, so getting a long term view would put this in context. The SNP response is particularly crap though and smacks of "stop talking Scotland down"
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 08:39 |
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Niric posted:Scottish economy still doing poo poo Well, it coincides with the SNP sweeping the Westminster seats. That's not a reflection on the SNP themselves, of course, but it could be a reflection on how they are perceived - their taking the results as a mandate for independence threatening business, for instance.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 09:35 |
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I would suggest the oil price crash is a bigger contributor than anything politics/independence related. Would be odd for businesses to worry more about independence after the referendum. It also explains why Scotland outgrew the UK this quarter since there has been a relative recovery in the oil and gas sector.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 12:33 |
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In a fashion which will shock, shock economists, on the one hand
but on the other hand Scottish economy maybe doing pretty well relatively? quote:Scotland avoids recession as economy rebounds [EDIT: Just seen that The Resolution Foundation have published an interesting blog post on this very theme, giving a better overview of the mixed picture than the above news articles quote:A tale of two Scottish economies Niric fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jul 5, 2017 |
# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:55 |
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Yeah the dip was oil right? Aberdeen economy getting hit hard. I'm not aware of any job losses that were related to the possibility of independence happening.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 18:27 |
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Hoops posted:I'm not aware of any job losses that were related to the possibility of independence happening. I can think of at least 21...
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 18:43 |
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Aramoro posted:For the SNP its ideological and political, they can't be seen to prop up a UK government thry do not want to be a part of. The same reason Sien Fein don't take uo their seats really. Hahaha let's think for more than one second about the electoral consequences for the SNP had they failed to support a Labour leader for Prime Minister. The worst outcome would have been something like the DUP have achieved in picking cash from the magic money tree.
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# ? Jul 7, 2017 23:02 |
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In news that I'm sure will be treated with maturity and reason by all political thinkers in the country, Kezia Dugdale is currently dating a SNP MSP. maybe bipartisanship isn't dead forever.
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# ? Jul 15, 2017 17:37 |
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Angepain posted:In news that I'm sure will be treated with maturity and reason by all political thinkers in the country, Kezia Dugdale is currently dating a SNP MSP. maybe bipartisanship isn't dead forever. I imagine they can bond over wanting a Tory government.
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# ? Jul 15, 2017 17:42 |
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In news that I'm sure will be treated with maturity and reason by Jedit,
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# ? Jul 15, 2017 17:43 |
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Angepain posted:In news that I'm sure will be treated with maturity and reason by Jedit, That was more of an insult aimed at Dugdale. The SNP at least have the excuse of being disaffected Tories and/or a Tory government helping them towards their end goal.
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# ? Jul 15, 2017 17:48 |
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# ? May 11, 2024 16:18 |
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This isn't really anything new in politics though. Though I imagine that this is already going to add more against her when the time comes for her to get the boot.
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# ? Jul 15, 2017 22:18 |