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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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JFairfax posted:Because you have to be members of the EU to have access to them Norway says hi, again.
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Pissflaps posted:Why do you think this? Because they are benefits / requirements of EU membership. The countries that have access to the free market have freedom of movement as well, and they all agreed that from positions of not being in the EU so different situations
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Jun 29, 2017 21:32
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Lord_Adonis posted:Indeed. However, the people who reside within them are not. Except that the state necessarily impacts the people who live in it, you cannot have the state act without affecting the people, so either the state has no obligations, or the people do have obligations. You can't have one without the other, it's meaningless drivel otherwise.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:33
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TinTower posted:Norway says hi, again. Norway was never an EU member, the situation is different and they have freedom of movement
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Jun 29, 2017 21:33
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Tesseraction posted:I believe he is also the person who endorsed a military junta deposing the government to prevent Brexit. This is true. It was a 'crime of passion' so to speak. I have apologised for the distasteful comments that were made by myself, and will apologise again if necessary.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:33
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People actually like Norway too.
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R. Mute posted:People actually like Norway too. isn't alcohol like stupidly expensive over there?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:35
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OwlFancier posted:Except that the state necessarily impacts the people who live in it, you cannot have the state act without affecting the people, so either the state has no obligations, or the people do have obligations. You can't have one without the other, it's meaningless drivel otherwise. What are my obligations with regards to actions that took place before my birth and enfranchisement?
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Jun 29, 2017 21:35
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:isn't alcohol like stupidly expensive over there? I've heard cigarettes are worse.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:36
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ShaneMacGowansTeeth posted:isn't alcohol like stupidly expensive over there? Like £8 a pint last time I was there. My dad (who lives there), his partner, and I went and got a Subway - just a 6inch sub, drink, and snack each and it came to something ridiculous like £35 e: when the latest playstation came out it was cheaper for my dad to fly to Germany, but one, and fly home, than it was to buy them locally. He also drives to Sweden twice a month to do his shopping because it works out cheaper. poo poo is ridic expensive in Norway
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Jun 29, 2017 21:36
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Lord_Adonis posted:What are my obligations with regards to actions that took place before my birth and enfranchisement? You could try whining about being associated with them less, that's a good start.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:36
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Lord_Adonis posted:What are my obligations with regards to actions that took place before my birth and enfranchisement? You live in the UK, that means that the UK, as a state, will occasionally have to take actions that impact you, it may be, that in order for the UK to take an international action which is just, such as providing international disaster aid, or allowing people to immigrate if they wish to, that it will negatively impact you. No you didn't sign up for it, but as you are not a libertarian, I trust you will not explode at this violation of your freedom of association.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:37
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JFairfax posted:Norway was never an EU member, the situation is different and they have freedom of movement Irrelevant. You said: JFairfax posted:You have to be members of the EU to have access to [the four freedoms] Norway have access to them. They are not members of the EU.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:38
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Tesseraction posted:I've heard cigarettes are worse. I gave up two years ago when I was only getting silver change from a tenner.
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Rygar201 posted:You could try whining about being associated with them less, that's a good start. I did not choose to be associated with them. Also, it does not give people license to be abusive about my nationality.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:38
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I think if your nationalitiy is british you're not allowed to whine about people calling you a oval office for it, because british people are historically and often currently, cunts.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:40
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OwlFancier posted:You live in the UK, that means that the UK, as a state, will occasionally have to take actions that impact you, it may be, that in order for the UK to take an international action which is just, such as providing international disaster aid, or allowing people to immigrate if they wish to, that it will negatively impact you. I agree with you. Where the UK can assist with things like international disaster aid and such, of course it should assist according to its ability to do so.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:40
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Is there any doubt whatsoever that we're getting the norway deal? Everything I've read from europe has that being the obvious outcome, Norway even want a place on the talks. All we have to do is not totally poo poo the bed as a nation and we're coasting to best case scenario.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:40
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OwlFancier posted:I think if your nationalitiy is british you're not allowed to whine about people calling you a oval office for it, because british people are historically and often currently, cunts. Usually, to belong to the category of 'oval office' requires some kind of action on your part. For one, if being consigned to the category of 'oval office' is a direct result of simply being, as opposed to doing, then there is no possible reprieve from being a 'oval office'.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:41
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TinTower posted:Irrelevant. You said:
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Jun 29, 2017 21:41
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OwlFancier posted:I mean generally the only people I have to explain the concept of doing nice things because they are good, to, are libertarians. Sting. probably thought sting as an awesome bloke in a band name, has been showed up to be a jessie in a dirty shirt before, this is what happens when he decides to dress up. he may be libertarian. AKA: this happened. and it is good : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gZWIE081po
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Jun 29, 2017 21:41
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Lord_Adonis posted:I did not choose to be associated with them. Also, it does not give people license to be abusive about my nationality. The first point is irrelevant. As to the second, if you think someone on SA making a quip about the British Empire is abusive then you must be living quite the charmed life.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:41
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Spangly A posted:All we have to do is not totally poo poo the bed as a nation Not looking promising, then.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:41
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Spangly A posted:All we have to do is not totally poo poo the bed as a nation Welp
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Jun 29, 2017 21:42
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Lord_Adonis posted:Usually, to belong to the category of 'oval office' requires some kind of action on your part. For one, if being consigned to the category of 'oval office' is a direct result of simply being, as opposed to doing, then there is no possible reprieve from being a 'oval office'. I'm fine with just being a statistical anomaly in a generally accurate categorization.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:42
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Rygar201 posted:The first point is irrelevant. As to the second, if you think someone on SA making a quip about the British Empire is abusive then you must be living quite the charmed life. I have admitted that my original objection raised in the other thread was probably the result of having had a bad day at work on my part. My point about abuse was a general one.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:43
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I'm envisioning a race to the deadline with Jeremy Corbyn inching it to no#10 on a no confidence, running all the way to brussels and slamming hard on the button that says "least bad option". After a year of Theresa May staring blankly at Barnier while she occasionally repeats a soundbyte.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:43
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Spangly A posted:Is there any doubt whatsoever that we're getting the norway deal? communism bitch posted:Not looking promising, then. Yeah this is the question. It's unlikely that the Tories will get anything they want from these negotiations: what matters is what the EU wants from these negotiations....
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Jun 29, 2017 21:44
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OwlFancier posted:I'm fine with just being a statistical anomaly in a generally accurate categorization. That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I am not, and I insist that I am judged by my own actions that are contingent upon my own agency.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:44
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Lord_Adonis posted:there is no possible reprieve from being a 'oval office'. thats the spirit 
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Jun 29, 2017 21:44
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Lord_Adonis posted:That's your opinion, and you are entitled to it. I am not, and I insist that I am judged by my own actions that are contingent upon my own agency. Lord_Adonis posted:I did not choose to be associated with them. Also, it does not give people license to be abusive about my nationality. Definitely not a libertarian.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:45
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Spangly A posted:I'm envisioning a race to the deadline with Jeremy Corbyn inching it to no#10 on a no confidence, running all the way to brussels and slamming hard on the button that says "least bad option". After a year of Theresa May staring blankly at Barnier while she occasionally repeats a soundbyte. The May tactic appears to be to go to the meetings and announce to those present that there will be a paper published a week later when she's safely insulated from having to deal with their response face to face. I'm not convinced this is really a productive negotiating tactic.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:46
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OwlFancier posted:Definitely not a libertarian. You're violating the non-passive-aggression-principle
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Jun 29, 2017 21:46
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Spangly A posted:Is there any doubt whatsoever that we're getting the norway deal? Labour literally whipped to abstain on the Norway Deal tonight. There is no long game here. Corbyn wants us out of the single market.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:47
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OwlFancier posted:Definitely not a libertarian. I am not a libertarian. I believe in the Hobbsian social contract. I believe that the state should maintain its monopoly of violence. I believe that the state has a large role in managing the economy and ensuring that the common welfare of the people is maintained. I believe in progressive taxation.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:47
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Spangly A posted:All we have to do is not totally poo poo the bed as a nation and we're coasting to best case scenario. holy poo poo
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Jun 29, 2017 21:47
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Except to the point where you might have to just put up with being associated with the lovely things your country does.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:49
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Lord_Adonis posted:I am not a libertarian. I believe in the Hobbsian social contract. I believe that the state has a large role in managing the economy and ensuring that the common welfare of the people is maintained. I believe in progressive taxation.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:49
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OwlFancier posted:Definitely not a libertarian. I don't see how those positions are intrinsically libertarian? Can a Social Liberal not hold the same positions?
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Lord_Adonis posted:I believe that the state should maintain its monopoly of violence.
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