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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Lord_Adonis posted:I did not choose to be associated with them. Also, it does not give people license to be abusive about my nationality. I will make this easy for you, I hereby demand that anyone be abusive about my "nationality" as they see fit and as may add humour to a situation : (i am in a position of power as a white, possibly educated male.) I'm European by descent of my Mother being Breton and my dad perhaps being an undercover cop that sexed by mum on duty, in order to gain information on the campaign for nuclear disarmament's policies and political threat. pale as gently caress, due to living (by choice so far,) in a basement flat, blue of eye and red of blood and politics. I am in an untenable position, but i dont really care, because if your argument boils down to "but my nashun" then you have pretty much missed the point: nations are collections of people. VVVVVVV, also that's an elegant way of saying about the same. staberind fucked around with this message at 21:56 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Lord_Adonis posted:I don't see how those positions are intrinsically libertarian? Can a Social Liberal not hold the same positions? It's a very libertarian habit to try and free associate your way out of criticism and the implications of the position you were born in. Sometimes the unfairness of your birth is that you were born into a very advantageous position and occasionally have to take mild ribbing for it.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:51
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TinTower posted:Labour literally whipped to abstain on the Norway Deal tonight. Labour have to balance leave and remain voters and it's easier to stick to legislative vagueness while Brexit is still in an unknown stage. They are not the party in power for gently caress's sake.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:52
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JFairfax posted:Because they are benefits / requirements of EU membership. There are four single market member states that are not in the EU. You're wrong.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:53
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communism bitch posted:*spit take* I mean I tend to agree, after all, enthusiastic private individuals cannot hope to match the efficiency of a state sponsored solution. We should nationalize the guillotines.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:54
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R. Mute posted:You just don't believe that you living in a nation built upon colonial exploitation and imperialism has benefited you in any way, nor that it has created any form of responsibility. Right. I believe that there are problems that could be corrected- responsibility in a purely governmental sense is probably the right word to use in this context. However, though it has benefited me, I was not born into this nationality by choice, nor was I ever afforded the opportunity to decline these benefits in a way that would not lead to my eventual death by, for example being entitled to the nationality of a nation that did not have an empire. As such, I feel no guilt for actions that I had no agency in executing, or agency in absolving myself of the benefits of in the first place. However, I accept that a responsibility exits on the part of the government, as the part of the nation that has a direct continuity of existence between the time that said actions were committed and now. As a subject of said government, I am willing to contribute to resolving problems started by the actions of my government, according to my individual ability to do so.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:56
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Guavanaut posted:They're going to walk in thinking it's going to be like the treaties that the Empire signed with African tribes and broke whenever they felt like it, only this time SACU has some of the top trade advocates in the world and the UK has David Davis. This is why the NUH DEAL BETTERNBAAA rhetoric is worrying, because you could totally see one of the Tories' stable of Great Men believing they really are back in Britain's golden age, and just walking away from the table because they're not getting their way, consequences (for the plebs) be damned I don't know if David Davis is the Gove type who values his own opinions over expertise or putting in any actual effort, but he's sure given that impression presiding over... whatever you'd call the run-up to negotiations starting. 'Circus' works
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Lord_Adonis posted:I believe that there are problems that could be corrected- responsibility in a purely governmental sense is probably the right word to use in this context. However, though it has benefited me, I was not born into this nationality by choice, nor was I ever afforded the opportunity to decline these benefits in a way that would not lead to my eventual death by, for example being entitled to the nationality of a nation that did not have an empire. As such, I feel no guilt for actions that I had no agency in executing, or agency in absolving myself of the benefits of in the first place. However, I accept that a responsibility exits on the part of the government, as the part of the nation that has a direct continuity of existence between the time that said actions were committed and now. As a subject of said government, I am willing to contribute to resolving problems started by the actions of my government, according to my individual ability to do so. By that logic if somebody is born rich you can't tax them more than someone who is born poor because it's not their fault they're rich.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:58
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Tesseraction posted:Labour have to balance leave and remain voters and it's easier to stick to legislative vagueness while Brexit is still in an unknown stage. They are not the party in power for gently caress's sake. This is bollocks. Labour voters are overwhelmingly anti-Hard Brexit. Almost half of them are No-Brexit-At-All.
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Jun 29, 2017 21:59
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staberind posted:I will make this easy for you, I hereby demand that anyone be abusive about my "nationality" as they see fit and as may add humour to a situation : (i am in a position of power as a white, possibly educated male.) My objection to abuse has nothing to do with any attachment that I might have to a nation. I am not a nationalistic flag waver, by any means. I simply wish to be judged for my attributes and agency alone. I am also asking for reciprocity in inter-personal relations. If I interact with someone in a manner that is respectful and civil, then I expect the same. Also, I don't understand the relevance of the part about being White and possibly educated?
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Jun 29, 2017 22:00
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baka kaba posted:whatever you'd call the run-up to negotiations starting. 'Circus' works shitshow? suicide? I am on the fence about tumbler : is this awesome or awesome, i forget because of my dick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4m3AJamQYM
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Jun 29, 2017 22:00
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Spangly A posted:All we have to do is not totally poo poo the bed as a nation We're screwed
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Jun 29, 2017 22:01
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OwlFancier posted:By that logic if somebody is born rich you can't tax them more than someone who is born poor because it's not their fault they're rich. Not at all. I said that people should assist according to their ability to do so. As such, I see nothing wrong with fair and progressive income tax.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:01
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Lord_Adonis posted:Not at all. I said that people should assist according to their ability to do so. As such, I see nothing wrong with fair and progressive income tax. But you get very pissy about fair and progressive international diplomacy because it would disadvantage you personally.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:02
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OwlFancier posted:But you get very pissy about fair and progressive international diplomacy because it would disadvantage you personally. If I come across as 'pissy' then I apologise. I agree in principle with a fair and progressive course of international diplomacy as long as it is delivered in a sustainable way and in accordance with the ability of people to materially support it. With regards to the matter of trade and migration with Commonwealth members, I lack the information necessary to make a definitive judgement upon whether it meets the aforementioned criteria, so I reserve judgement for now. The point that I was trying to make was that it would be, from my ill-educated point of view, difficult to replicate the prosperity that both the UK and EU have enjoyed from their relationship with a similar relationship between the UK and Commonwealth, and that most Commonwealth nations themselves would probably agree with this. Lord_Adonis fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 22:04
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TinTower posted:This is bollocks. Labour voters are overwhelmingly anti-Hard Brexit. Almost half of them are No-Brexit-At-All. And Labour aren't in power. It's easier to not put any position forward and let the Tories get on with either loving it up or managing something semi-acceptable. How do you not understand constructive ambiguity? It's basically been the Lib Dem's policy position since inception.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:04
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Lord_Adonis posted:If I come across as 'pissy' then I apologise. I agree in principle with a fair and progressive course of international diplomacy as long as it is delivered in a sustainable way and in accordance with the ability of people to support it. OwlFancier posted:"OK yes our foreign policy is hilariously racist and always has been but if we change that it might be bad for us, and we wouldn't want that." Lord_Adonis posted:Exactly, it would be bad for us, and we wouldn't want that. I don't see the point of your tautology? I find it very difficult to read your position as "I'm sure we should do something but not anything which might possibly cause me any disadvantage so let's not actually do anything."
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Jun 29, 2017 22:06
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Lord_Adonis posted:My objection to abuse has nothing to do with any attachment that I might have to a nation. I am not a nationalistic flag waver, by any means. I simply wish to be judged for my attributes and agency alone. I am also asking for reciprocity in inter-personal relations. If I interact with someone in a manner that is respectful and civil, then I expect the same. Also, I don't understand the relevance of the part about being White and possibly educated? yeah, sorry that referencing my natural "born with" advantages as something to bear in mind prior to engaging in a dialogue with me. < italics due to it being a bit hard to understand irony and getting probed for "ironic racisms" (a probe i agree with, rascism is poo poo, anyone who appears so should be gulaged asap.) also, who are you? what are your attributes, what is your agency, what do you, bring to the table?whats the position of your argument? selflessness? the greater good or fygm? staberind fucked around with this message at 22:12 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 22:07
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Lord_Adonis posted:I believe that there are problems that could be corrected- responsibility in a purely governmental sense is probably the right word to use in this context. However, though it has benefited me, I was not born into this nationality by choice, nor was I ever afforded the opportunity to decline these benefits in a way that would not lead to my eventual death by, for example being entitled to the nationality of a nation that did not have an empire. As such, I feel no guilt for actions that I had no agency in executing, or agency in absolving myself of the benefits of in the first place. However, I accept that a responsibility exits on the part of the government, as the part of the nation that has a direct continuity of existence between the time that said actions were committed and now. As a subject of said government, I am willing to contribute to resolving problems started by the actions of my government, according to my individual ability to do so. Is it at this point that you declare that you're a boat or something, and that the only law binding you to the state is maritime law?
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Jun 29, 2017 22:12
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staberind posted:yeah, sorry that referencing my natural "born with" advantages as something to bear in mind prior to engaging in a dialogue with me. < italics due to it being a bit hard to understand irony and getting probed for "ironic racisms" (a probe i agree with, rascism is poo poo, anyone who appears so should be gulaged asap.) You may indeed have some advantages in being born White in a predominantly White society. However, I don't think that it is something I need to bear in mind when discussing this particular issue- the scapegoating of individuals by association and interpersonal civility are issues that concern every nationality and ethnicity.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:12
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staberind posted:shitshow? It's cool and it also makes jerks mad
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Jun 29, 2017 22:12
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I can't help but read Lord Adonis' posts in the voice of Lt Cmdr Data, there's just something about the way he articulatesquote:With regards to the matter of trade and migration with Commonwealth members, I lack the information necessary to make a definitive judgement upon whether it meets the aforementioned criteria, so I reserve judgement for now. ______/ 
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Jun 29, 2017 22:13
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Jun 29, 2017 22:15
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OwlFancier posted:I find it very difficult to read your position as "I'm sure we should do something but not anything which might possibly cause me any disadvantage so let's not actually do anything." I agree that the third quoted statement was rather blunt, and did not effectively convey my meaning- I apologise for my sloppy prose. My position is that something should be done, with reference to the sustainability of the material input required to achieve the something.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:15
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Lord_Adonis posted:You may indeed have some advantages in being born White in a predominantly White society. However, I don't think that it is something I need to bear in mind when discussing this particular issue- the scapegoating of individuals by association and interpersonal civility are issues that concern every nationality and ethnicity. so how do we go about obliterating this escapegoat?
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Jun 29, 2017 22:16
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Lord_Adonis posted:You may indeed have some advantages in being born White in a predominantly White society. However, I don't think that it is something I need to bear in mind when discussing this particular issue- the scapegoating of individuals by association and interpersonal civility are issues that concern every nationality and ethnicity. Actually no they are far more concerning to minority individuals because they're the ones who actually suffer because of it, you don't. Attempting to draw equality between the two is stupid and insulting.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:16
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:He posts like a wanker That 's your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I would ask what motivated your insult?
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Jun 29, 2017 22:17
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:He posts like a wanker m8, i'm on sa, the shining nadir of single handed typing.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:17
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I can't help but read Lord Adonis' posts in the voice of Lt Cmdr Data, there's just something about the way he articulates That's insulting to Data - he had far more empathy and humanity.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:17
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Lord_Adonis posted:That 's your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I would ask what motivated your insult? the fact that you post like a wanker perhaps?
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Wait a minute, he is Data. He hasn't used a single contraction in any of his posts, not even "I'm" What a dork.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:18
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Lord_Adonis posted:That 's your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I would ask what motivated your insult? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPSP4gbKx3w
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Jun 29, 2017 22:18
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Lord_Adonis posted:That 's your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I would ask what motivated your insult? All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Thus, I post about you posting like a wanker.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:19
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baka kaba posted:It's cool and it also makes jerks mad so, its like Brexit then.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:19
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Spangly A posted:Is there any doubt whatsoever that we're getting the norway deal? Are you sure the EU will even offer that? See, I'm just not convinced the EU will be inclined to make literally any concessions whatsoever. A Norway deal would be a major concession.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:19
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Lord_Adonis posted:That 's your opinion and you are entitled to it. However, I would ask what motivated your insult? I think his comment fully explained that?
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Jun 29, 2017 22:20
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OwlFancier posted:Actually no they are far more concerning to minority individuals because they're the ones who actually suffer because of it, you don't. Attempting to draw equality between the two is stupid and insulting. I'm not sure if you are arguing for or against interpersonal civility and respect? If you are suggesting that minorities are more likely to suffer scapegoating by association, then I agree, and we should all make an effort to relate to other people with respect.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:21
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jaete posted:Are you sure the EU will even offer that? As you can see from above, rape jokes are not funny. unless the entire united kingdom is involved.
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Jun 29, 2017 22:21
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:All it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing. Thus, I post about you posting like a wanker. I do not understand. How do my posts relate to this aphorism? Lord_Adonis fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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staberind posted:the fact that you post like a wanker perhaps? Tautology.
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