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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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staberind posted:the fact that you feel the need to qualify that means that you don't understand what "help" entails. Help entails rendering assistance. However, one cannot render assistance beyond ones available resources. This is not an argument against rendering assistance in the first place, it is simply a recognition that people of different means possess different abilities to offer help. I don't see how recognising this fact negates the help offered? I do not understand the objection. Lord_Adonis fucked around with this message at 23:36 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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Jun 29, 2017 23:33
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OwlFancier posted:Actually they are still members of parliament and thus still have their jobs. They lost their job as members of the shadow cabinet.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:34
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OwlFancier posted:Actually they are still members of parliament and thus still have their jobs. don't let a fact get in the way of his hate on for Corbyn, which he kept hidden for at least a month
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Jun 29, 2017 23:34
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Lord_Adonis posted:It is something that I will certainly take on board and think about. How's Wolfie?
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Jun 29, 2017 23:35
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haakman posted:How's Wolfie? Still living in Tooting?
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Lord_Adonis posted:Help entails rendering assistance. However, one cannot render assistance beyond ones available resources. and if one judges ones resources unequal to the task, what is one to do but not actually help but maybe offer prayers or well wishes" or you help, and find a way of solving a problem, like hitler.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:36
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ThomasPaine posted:QT is going to give me a loving stroke I consider this a cry for help and an ambulance will be with you within ten minutes.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:41
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I hope I die doing what I loved, screaming gendered insults at Nick Ferrari through my radio.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:43
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staberind posted:and if one judges ones resources unequal to the task, what is one to do but not actually help but maybe offer prayers or well wishes" or you help, and find a way of solving a problem, like hitler. I think that you are being rather hyperbolic- I fail to see what Hitler has to do with a discussion on the dynamics of rendering assistance to people? If one's resources are unequal to the task, then one can pool one's resources with others inclined to help. If that is not sufficient, then how can one, or a group offer help without the material basis to do so? It would be akin to setting out to build a house without being able to obtain bricks and mortar. If one is in no position to help, then they cannot help- where does the logic falter? Of course, it could be the case that a person declares their resources insufficient to employ in help when they are in fact sufficient, but that is for the person asking help, or other observers to reason out and judge the truth of, and does not negate the principle that help can only be provided where the ability exists to do so.
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At the end of the day a hard Brexit is going to hurt the economy, but who suffers is going to be determined by who's in government. The Tory idea that a weaker economy means everyone will be worse off than they are now is a lie. EDIT: Also remember a few weeks ago when Chuka was looking at a shadow cabinet job, instead of generating front pages like this? https://twitter.com/jarvis_this/status/880552321205190656 jabby fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jun 29, 2017 |
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ThomasPaine posted:QT is going to give me a loving stroke Tonight's crowd seems especially rowdy. I also don't know how many "we can't politicise this" lines I can take. Is the link between political decisions leading to policy leading to a social effect really that hard to understand? And taking that chain backwards to from the impact of regulation (or a lack thereof) to a political decision is suddenly "scoring points"? Also Nick Ferrari is a massive poo poo.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:44
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Corbyn giving the boot to the Front Benchers that voted against the whip isn't a surprise. I imagine the same would of happened if Corbyn was a front bencher in Blair's government. The only difference being that Corbyn wasn't going to be selected to begin with where as Corbyn has not much choice. Though it would be very loving hypocritical if Corbyn decieds to do anything against the backbenchers for rebelling considering his track record. Though I very much doubt it. ThomasPaine posted:QT is going to give me a loving stroke How many times do I have to repeat myself that it's your own fault for watching QT to begin with. OwlFancier posted:Also I feel compelled to press any button that threatens to nuke The Sun. Bonus if we strap Murdoch on to one of the missles.
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Lord_Adonis posted:I think that you are being rather hyperbolic- I fail to see what Hitler has to do with a discussion on the dynamics of rendering assistance to people? If one's resources are unequal to the task, then one can pool one's resources with others inclined to help. If that is not sufficient, then how can one, or a group offer help without the material basis to do so? It would be akin to setting out to build a house without being able to obtain bricks and mortar. If one is in no position to help, then they cannot help- where does the logic falter? Of course, it could be the case that a person declares their resources insufficient to employ in help when they are in fact sufficient, but that is for the person asking help, or other observers to reason out and judge the truth of, and does not negate the principle that help can only be provided where the ability exists to do so. http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Jezebel
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Just noticed that Labour's thread vote share has dipped below 50% for the first time while mine has crept up and up. Looks like a Pissflaps led coalition is on the cards.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:54
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radmonger posted:If there had been a referendum that said 'Trident is good', and then the party in office was interpreting that as meaning 'nuke the Sun now', but then their minority government collapsed over that and you came to power, would you feel similarly obliged to press the metaphorical big red button? Are you drunk?
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Jun 29, 2017 23:56
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Pochoclo posted:While I am a bit disappointed about the whip thing, I also understand that there's just no loving way at this point that we get a Norway-style deal so it doesn't really matter all that much. Yeah this is my assessment as well. I think a Norway style deal has always seemed fairly unlikely, even before the referendum; it is simply too good and non-punishing a deal from the EU's point of view. In addition the lunatics have been screaming about the hardest of hard brexits for literally a year now so Norway deal wouldn't be likely on the other side either. I really hope I'm wrong.
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Jun 29, 2017 23:59
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I think that we might be talking past one another. It seems to me that your example demonstrates that people can believe that they are helping, when they in fact are doing the opposite, rather than a situation where people are constrained in their ability to help by a lack of resources. Let me put it another way: How does one give something that one does not have in the way of help?
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Jun 30, 2017 00:00
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OwlFancier posted:Also I feel compelled to press any button that threatens to nuke The Sun. Fancy bloody sun thinks it's so great just because it's a truly colossal perpetual nuclear reaction that will last for billions of years 
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Jun 30, 2017 00:09
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Extreme0 posted:How many times do I have to repeat myself that it's your own fault for watching QT to begin with. I can't help it I'm a masochistic piece of poo poo
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Jun 30, 2017 00:19
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Goddammit Corbyn and his loving Brexit whips. Wasn't there an article shared here a while back about how a lot of it is McDonnell and Abbott's influence that drives Corbyn's euroscepticism?
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Coohoolin posted:Goddammit Corbyn and his loving Brexit whips. Wasn't there an article shared here a while back about how a lot of it is McDonnell and Abbott's influence that drives Corbyn's euroscepticism? It seems odd to me that people expect Labour to pursue a divisive policy only supported by about 20% of the country at the moment. It worked super good for the #LibDemFightback after all.
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Jun 30, 2017 00:31
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number one pta fan posted:I hope I die doing what I loved, screaming gendered insults at Nick Ferrari through my radio. Every time I hear his voice, there's this amazing Pavlovian response where my teeth start griding, and I get the overwhemling urge to throttle the fat oval office. Watching QT this week was another exercise in restraint at not putting my foot through the TV, when both him and loving Liam Fox appeared together.
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Jun 30, 2017 00:32
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Jun 30, 2017 00:34
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Lord of the Llamas posted:It seems odd to me that people expect Labour to pursue a divisive policy only supported by about 20% of the country at the moment. 80% of the country wants a hard brexit?
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Pissflaps posted:80% of the country wants a hard brexit? I can see where May gets her statistics from.
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Coohoolin posted:This is me. No, you're more of a dilettante.
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Coohoolin posted:Goddammit Corbyn and his loving Brexit whips. Wasn't there an article shared here a while back about how a lot of it is McDonnell and Abbott's influence that drives Corbyn's euroscepticism? You'd probably find it's Tony Benn's influence more than anything.
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jabby posted:EDIT: Also remember a few weeks ago when Chuka was looking at a shadow cabinet job, instead of generating front pages like this? He still wants a front bench job, just the one he wants is still Corbyns. The irony is that his move is likely to see some of his old rivals make a move back into the shadow cabinet.
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number one pta fan posted:You'd probably find it's Tony Benn's influence more than anything. It would have been nice to see just one Bennite type "the EU is an empire, and the last thing we want is another one of those" type campaigns instead of several "75m Muslim Turks are lurking just over the border and they want to make laws about your toaster" ones.
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Jun 30, 2017 00:45
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Skinty McEdger posted:He still wants a front bench job, just the one he wants is still Corbyns. he wouldn't last a week as leader. every time i think of him that anti-semitism hearing he did with ken livingstone just starts playing on a loop in my mind. he got utterly clowned by a man who wasn't allowed to do anything but answer his questions
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There is absolutely no mainstream left wing brexit narrative and I'm not happy to see Corbyn making symbolic capitulations to the racist thumbpeople Britain. Corbyn's whole thing is that being principled and doing the right thing worked regardless of "electability" shite, why does that stop being the case with Brexit?
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Coohoolin posted:There is absolutely no mainstream left wing brexit narrative
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Coohoolin posted:There is absolutely no mainstream left wing brexit narrative and I'm not happy to see Corbyn making symbolic capitulations to the racist thumbpeople Britain. Corbyn's whole thing is that being principled and doing the right thing worked regardless of "electability" shite, why does that stop being the case with Brexit? Because we lost the referendum you cretin
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Jun 30, 2017 00:57
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Coohoolin posted:There is absolutely no mainstream left wing fixed
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Jun 30, 2017 00:58
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Coohoolin posted:There is absolutely no mainstream left wing brexit narrative and I'm not happy to see Corbyn making symbolic capitulations to the racist thumbpeople Britain. Corbyn's whole thing is that being principled and doing the right thing worked regardless of "electability" shite, why does that stop being the case with Brexit?
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Jun 30, 2017 01:02
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forkboy84 posted:Because we lost the referendum you cretin I'm not saying he should be anti brexit, but he could at least talk about the importance of free travel and the good parts of the EU we're going to lose. Argh whatever, maybe I'm just bitter because I don't have a passport.
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Jun 30, 2017 01:02
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Coohoolin posted:There is absolutely no mainstream left wing brexit narrative and I'm not happy to see Corbyn making symbolic capitulations to the racist thumbpeople Britain. Corbyn's whole thing is that being principled and doing the right thing worked regardless of "electability" shite, why does that stop being the case with Brexit? I think that possibly Corbyn had principled left wing reasons for disliking the EU before you were born.
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OwlFancier posted:I think that possibly Corbyn had principled left wing reasons for disliking the EU before you were born. The EU didn't exist when I was born.
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