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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Pissflaps posted:Maybe Gary Linekar could be our Macron? gently caress Macron, I'd rather have the guy who was scared of Nazi root vegetables than him.
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Verizian posted:Saw someone on Facebook saying that Tom Watson condemned the Brexit amendment rebels today as divisive and opportunistic at worst or a poorly timed mistake at best. Stating that Corbyn was right to fire the shadow cabinet members for defying the whip. He said this on C4 news yeah
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Jun 30, 2017 10:28
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Jun 30, 2017 10:31
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Looke posted:1% cap lifted shame you moved into stopping people getting their benefits isn't it
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Jun 30, 2017 10:32
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Verizian posted:Saw someone on Facebook saying that Tom Watson condemned the Brexit amendment rebels today as divisive and opportunistic at worst or a poorly timed mistake at best. Stating that Corbyn was right to fire the shadow cabinet members for defying the whip. BEND THE KNEE
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Jun 30, 2017 10:34
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Guavanaut posted:I don't think Gary thinks that poor people are poor because they don't work hard enough, but maybe he'd be willing to scrap workers' rights and deregulate our banks some more if his teacher told him to. Yes, liberals obsession with Macron is tragic. But then I suppose liberals do tend to hate trade unions, and workers having rights. Anyway, the miraculous morphing of Chuka Umunna. One could almost conclude that his amendment was in fact not at all about freedom of movement for people and about something else entirely. Wonder what it could be... https://twitter.com/cymrurouge/status/880698180580585472
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Jun 30, 2017 10:37
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Jose posted:shame you moved into stopping people getting their benefits isn't it We'll see what it rises to, I'm getting a pretty sizeable pay rise each year anyway + earning more than I would have in the NHS. Also someone has to apply sanctions to poor people I wonder how this will go down for the government, considering lifting the cap was a labour thing, and the Tories votes the amendment down
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Jun 30, 2017 10:38
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Looke posted:1% cap lifted Source? I've got the Mail just saying that "up to" 40 MPs are pressuring the PM to lift it and that tories that voted down the Labour amendment are getting a ton of flack for it on Twitter.
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Jun 30, 2017 10:39
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Borrovan posted:I've got the Mail after a lengthy period of rigorous forensic examination i have identified the source of your problems all of them
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Jun 30, 2017 10:43
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I hope it does end because the Tories saying they'll consider ending it, then saying they won't and voting it down in the house and then doing it the next day would just be a perfect symbol of how chaotic they are. Also all the people get pay rises.
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Jun 30, 2017 10:44
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mfcrocker posted:That's most folks' definition of Soft Brexit, because it's basically "well, you all poo poo the bed, may as well poo poo it as little as possible" Right. Problem is it's going to make people even more pissed off and you don't want to be holding the responsibility for that decision.
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Jun 30, 2017 10:44
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Jun 30, 2017 10:46
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This isn't a u-turn so much as a series of doughnuts.
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Jun 30, 2017 10:49
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On the edge of a cliff.
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I would pay to see Corbyn doing donuts on a motorbike in the commons.
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Jun 30, 2017 10:50
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Looke posted:
is it fun?
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Jun 30, 2017 10:51
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Jose posted:shame you moved into stopping people getting their benefits isn't it I'm pretty sure Looke will be getting around a 5% increase for the next few years if he's just joined DWP, PCS negotiated a higher increase for lower grades in return changes to conditions and greater restrictions at the top. They also introduced new contracts and anyone who declined them got a 0.25% pay rise lol Party Boat fucked around with this message at 11:07 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 10:56
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I'm a "hard remainer", and I think it's a loving travesty that the only party that thought about the 48% who voted remain was the loving lib dems and we all know you can't trust them and they just did it to try and become relevant again. Brexit is going to gently caress this country in the arse, and you're all loving lemmings. What happened to "him being electable is not the point, it's about getting the right narrative out there"? Oh well, guess we better all jump off that cliff because it's Corbyn leading us there. And if you think he wouldn't bring us out of the single market/freedom of movement then you're delusional too. This is going to gently caress all my EU friends over at minimum, and I care more about them than the loving principle of democracy that got us into this mess. And before you start, yes I understand that it's the politic move. Doesn't mean I have to loving like it, and it doesn't mean I don't feel betrayed by there being absolutely no voice for those of us who would really, really, really like not to jump off the Brexit cliff.
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Jun 30, 2017 10:56
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It's starting to irritate me beyond my daily level of calm to see so many lies in the media and misrepresentation of outright facts. How can we have any sort of decent change if the barrage of untruths keeps hitting people who can do nothing but soak it up? How are people reporting that Labour is in chaos and conveniently ignoring the shambles that is the current government. It's madness.
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Jun 30, 2017 10:57
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Irony Be My Shield posted:This isn't a u-turn so much as a series of doughnuts. Imagine four government policies on the edge of a cliff,
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Jun 30, 2017 10:57
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spectralent posted:after a lengthy period of rigorous forensic examination i have identified the source of your problems Taking those four words out of context is slander and I am deeply offended.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:00
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My favourite thing about centrists is the lack of introspection as to why everyone is moving far-left or far-right or why a purely centrist party has no real base. They're so close to figuring it out.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:02
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Serene Dragon posted:I'm a "hard remainer", and I think it's a loving travesty that the only party that thought about the 48% who voted remain was the loving lib dems and we all know you can't trust them and they just did it to try and become relevant again. If Labour had run on a hard remain platform, Theresa would now have a comfortable majority and Labour would currently be having a leadership election to see which right-wing shitheel gets to triangulate towards the Tories the hardest. Fudging the single market issue isn't ideal, but it is making the best out of a bad situation when Labour has no actual power to change the outcome and would just be posturing at the expense of northern voters. Also, a majority of Remain voters now support honouring the referendum and leaving the EU, you might want to change that 48% to 22%.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:08
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VideoGames posted:It's starting to irritate me beyond my daily level of calm to see so many lies in the media and misrepresentation of outright facts. How can we have any sort of decent change if the barrage of untruths keeps hitting people who can do nothing but soak it up? A lot of people like to poo poo on Twitter and Social Media but the fact remains that its rise in acceptance and usage has allowed younger generations to access more sources of news and communicate with more people than ever before. A lot of the people who absorb that sort of bullshit are people who generally only get their news from a handful of sources. Traditional media is dying mostly because people are increasingly identifying it as bullshit. You can already see their influence waning with their failed bullshit campaign against Corbyn during the previous election.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:09
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Stretch Marx posted:My favourite thing about centrists is the lack of introspection as to why everyone is moving far-left or far-right or why a purely centrist party has no real base. They're so close to figuring it out. There basically isn't a far-left in UK politics. The right likes to pretend Corbyn is to discredit him, but his politics are fairly centrist in countries that don't have out-and-out fascist newspapers.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:11
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Serene Dragon posted:And before you start, yes I understand that it's the politic move. Doesn't mean I have to loving like it, and it doesn't mean I don't feel betrayed by there being absolutely no voice for those of us who would really, really, really like not to jump off the Brexit cliff.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:13
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multijoe posted:honouring the referendum lol
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Jun 30, 2017 11:13
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Borrovan posted:There's actually quite a lot of voices, it's just that there's also voices for the people who really want to jump, and that's the side that won the referendum. The referendum was a terrible idea, but it happened, we lost, and respecting the result means an end to free movement. No. Respecting the result means leaving the EU. That is not incompatible with single market membership and all that that entails.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:14
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Gort posted:There basically isn't a far-left in UK politics. The right likes to pretend Corbyn is to discredit him, but his politics are fairly centrist in countries that don't have out-and-out fascist newspapers. Well I don't really believe in the far-left/right spectrum. Mostly I mean socialism and fascism are on the rise because liberalism doesn't really stand for anything outside of making rich people richer. It wants to be everything to everyone and it can't. It hasn't before and it hasn't now. And with social media allowing people to mobilize on a grand scale we're seeing populism coming back for better or for worse.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:14
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Pissflaps posted:No. Respecting the result means leaving the EU. That is not incompatible with single market membership and all that that entails. I'm pretty sure the vote was about foreigners actually
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Jun 30, 2017 11:15
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Pissflaps posted:Maybe Gary Linekar could be our Macron? A dipshit who only gets to power due to historically low turnout and people voting against his opponent rather than for him?
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Jun 30, 2017 11:16
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:I'm pretty sure the vote was about foreigners actually For many the debate was. The vote however was not.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:17
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Serene Dragon posted:I'm a "hard remainer", and I think it's a loving travesty that the only party that thought about the 48% who voted remain was the loving lib dems and we all know you can't trust them and they just did it to try and become relevant again. We're not lemmings. We've moved on. We've done the despair and the anger. I'll agree that Corbyn's approach to Brexit are disapointing. But I have to say things changed when he got a result no one saw coming. It's getting a little annoying that some of you think there's "sides" in here. I'm a hard remainer too. I'm terrified of Brexit. I don't have an easy escape route out of the country and i'm a believer that the economy is going to be destroyed and the primary aim for the Tories is to remove regulations. For more selfish and personal reasons i'm concerned about what's going to happen to the environment. You guys aren't special. You're just very angry and loud.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:18
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Pissflaps posted:No. Respecting the result means leaving the EU. That is not incompatible with single market membership and all that that entails.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:18
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It's bad and stupid but it happened. Those sucking up all twenty of the Lib Dem's votes isn't going to make up for the gaping hole in the post-industrial north if Labour flips on its pledge to end freedom of movement.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:18
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Borrovan posted:No, that's called "doing the barest minimum to technically comply with the result". Respecting the result includes noting that the main concerns that leave-voters had were free movement and sovereignty. Keeping free movement and surrendering legislative power is the opposite of this. Not seeing the problem. I don't actually respect the referendum or its result.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:19
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Pissflaps posted:Not seeing the problem. For someone who complains about Corbyn's electability you sure want him to go back to being persona non grata to huge portions of the country. Maybe he can go on stage and call all Brexiters "fuckwits". I'd agree with him. But he shouldn't do it.
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Jun 30, 2017 11:21
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Okay, don't waste my time by claiming that you do then. What do you think would be the effect of telling 52% of the electorate that you don't respect them?
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Jun 30, 2017 11:21
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Allowing the EU to dictate to your country will just cause another UKIP uprising.
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Borrovan posted:Okay, don't waste my time by claiming that you do then. What do you think would be the effect of telling 52% of the electorate that you don't respect them? Being fair it's an improvement from his usual 3/5ths.
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