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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:I mean we (by which I mean EU27) send this guy The british government do not have anyone who isn't a smarmy cheat. It is an important component of being a member of parliament, particularly for the tories.
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Gorn Myson posted:He spent £25k on a shed.
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Jun 30, 2017 16:20
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Beefeater1980 posted:That's basically everyone's definition of soft Brexit. Out of the EU but in the single market. AKA the least destructive way of acknowledging the result of a really dumb plebiscite. If Jeremy Corbyn wasn't Jeremy Corbyn but instead Adolf Hitler would you vote for Adolf Corbyn?
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Jun 30, 2017 16:21
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WeAreTheRomans posted:David Davis' Brexit plan- sell a fuckload of Jaguars or were hosed Actually the EU are desperate to keep selling us Audis, BMWs, Volkswagons, etc...
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Jun 30, 2017 16:21
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Realistically how long would Boris actually last as PM though?
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Jun 30, 2017 16:22
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learnincurve posted:Realistically how long would Boris actually last as PM though? One press conference.
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Jun 30, 2017 16:22
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R. Mute posted:I think we all know that - which makes it all the more insulting, really. he opened a bitcoin company in london
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Jun 30, 2017 16:23
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learnincurve posted:Realistically how long would Boris actually last as PM though? Donald J Trump is President of the United States of America
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Jun 30, 2017 16:26
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MikeCrotch posted:Donald J Trump is President of the United States of America His party are scared of him. The Tories are not scared of Boris Johnson.
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Jun 30, 2017 16:28
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OwlFancier posted:That's a loving pro title/av. It's incredible! I just got it and have no idea where from. I was kind of assuming my first red-text would be from a sleep-deprived meltdown about ebay or something. Guavanaut posted:It wasn't though, that's the stupidest thing about the right wing leave campaigns. Entire talking points centered around non-EU member Turkey, about Sharia Law, about Syrian refugees, about laws that were made in the UK, about the ECtHR, about international treaties that would still be in place post any kind of Brexit barring full Juche hermit kingdom Brexit. Yeah, right-wing populism was a bizarre mix of "SOVREIGNITY", and "Muslims! Refugees! Sharia law!", which, even accepting they're issues to idiots, are two different issues. I'd say somewhere between 30-50% of it was at the EU, but way more of it was about stuff that was barely related.
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Jun 30, 2017 16:28
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Tesseraction posted:At this point I'm genuinely hoping that a few weeks from now David Davis comes back from negotiations all shook and just goes "I was wrong. We need to stop this." I'm on my phone so can't link it but jonn elledge did a good article recently basically pointing out all the times David Davis has shown literally zero self awareness despite being an idiot.
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Jun 30, 2017 16:30
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UrbicaMortis posted:I'm on my phone so can't link it but jonn elledge did a good article recently basically pointing out all the times David Davis has shown literally zero self awareness despite being an idiot.  This one? Thought I'd share the articles best picture.
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Jun 30, 2017 16:36
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Jun 30, 2017 16:38
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As an aside, its kind of frustrating how both in the US and in Europe any sort of reasonable concern about immigration policy is immediately dominated with coverage of nazi lunatics. I understand why it happens, fat shirtless guy with a jugend swinging a flag around gets more views than a discussion on how immigration is incompatible with austerity politics, but it's still annoying.
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Jun 30, 2017 16:49
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Tijuana Bibliophile posted:I mean we (by which I mean EU27) send this guy He also isn't the main guy, the main guy is Barnier.
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Jun 30, 2017 16:51
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spectralent posted:It's incredible! I just got it and have no idea where from. But the big red title implores us to ask you about it 
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Jun 30, 2017 16:58
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Neurolimal posted:As an aside, its kind of frustrating how both in the US and in Europe any sort of reasonable concern about immigration policy is immediately dominated with coverage of nazi lunatics. I find it extremely annoying amongst liberals and remainers that free movement of people in a vastly unequal Europe and free movement of capital are both considered sacred cows that cannot be challenged. Europe & the US somehow managed to have a massive boom in the 50's with strict capital controls, we don't need to give capital free reign to move to wherever sucks their dick the hardest to get prosperity.
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Jun 30, 2017 16:59
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Movement of people is a good thing because I think it has a very strong internationalist component which allows us a glimpse of a society without borders. Obviously it has very heavily fortified borders at the edge of the EU but bringing together the disparate nations of Europe into something that can work together and attempt to live together seems like a positive step to me, it is something that is worth building on. Capital can go suck a dick though.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:01
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Baron Corbyn posted:Yeah, but coming in here and preaching at us about it as if we hosed this up achieves nothing but making you look like a smug tosser taking pleasure in the fact a lot of Britain's poorest are going to be poo poo on from up high yet again. Honestly, it's no different in character, if slightly less sociopathic, than the drive by ghouls from GBS turning up to gloat about the latest terrorist attack. It is at least consistent with the EU's stated position, re. making GBS threads on the poorest and neediest in their own domain. The more I read the more I'm happy we're leaving that rotting neoliberal pile of poo poo. I just wish someone who has a clue was setting up the plans. e: noice
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Jun 30, 2017 17:03
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For all that my avatar gets a lot of comments I feel like I am the rocky start of the flourishing artist that is now at work.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:08
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:But the big red title implores us to ask you about it If asked I will be happy to speculate wildly on the subject!
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Jun 30, 2017 17:11
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Looke posted:Very fun, sitting in my ivory tower, judging those less fortunate are you actually doing the decision making because i did some lovely work experience in a benefits centre and the decision makers in particular were literally all cunts
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Jun 30, 2017 17:16
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Spangly A posted:
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Jun 30, 2017 17:16
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Neurolimal posted:If Jeremy Corbyn wasn't Jeremy Corbyn but instead Adolf Hitler would you vote for Adolf Corbyn? You seem to be confusing reductio ad absurdum with reductio ad hitlerum, take two Godwins and come back tomorrow. I think that when people talk about respecting the result of the referendum they're actually talking about something else. Specifically, I think they mean respecting the fact that the referendum shows that a ton of people in the UK just hate the EU. Why doesn't matter. We can speculate that it's because of years of propaganda but who cares? Around half the voting public really hates the EU, and voted to leave it. I voted remain. Now, I think it doesn't matter what I want: the only viable path is to crash out, handle the consequences, and see what happens next. And try to win the next battle on something that matters, which is likely to be do we want a socialist government or not. I'm a comfortably-off expat former corporate lawyer with 10 years of running private equity deals behind me (also am a landlord, so keep those guillotines sharp); I quit to become a salesman because it's more honest work. So I have something to lose when I say that right now, what the UK needs is a big swing of the pendulum back to the left, and the priority is achieving that. And if I lose everything I got out of 5-10 years of work as a result (of a socialist administration that taxes the gently caress out of me and invalidates years of working 100 hour weeks), well, tough poo poo, other people had it harder. It's worth it if it results in a society worth living in. The main thing I worry about, and Brexit is relevant here, is what if the only reason the UK could afford socialism in the past without a crushing drop in everyone's living standards was a massive-scale resource extraction from the former empire. Coz that doesn't exist anymore. So we try some fairly modest moves to create a more equal society and as a result we fall 20 years behind the rest of the world right at the time that AI makes huge numbers of jobs obsolete. But hopefully someone has thought about this and can explain why actually that won't be the case - preferably without reference to the triumph of the socialist will.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:17
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JFairfax posted:I only see one pair of DDs there One trio.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:17
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OwlFancier posted:For all that my avatar gets a lot of comments I feel like I am the rocky start of the flourishing artist that is now at work. I choose to believe that the S-Club Megathread is a real thing and that those avatars are unrelated to the rest.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:17
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MikeCrotch posted:I find it extremely annoying amongst liberals and remainers that free movement of people in a vastly unequal Europe and free movement of capital are both considered sacred cows that cannot be challenged. Europe & the US somehow managed to have a massive boom in the 50's with strict capital controls, we don't need to give capital free reign to move to wherever sucks their dick the hardest to get prosperity. The free movement of persons is necessary for the functioning of the common market as geographical differences in labour markets have the power to distort intra-Union trade. This is also why the EU regulates workers' rights and human rights more generally, not because the Union actually gives a poo poo about us (it doesn't) but in order to normalise production costs - it's actually a triumph of liberalism,* in that it has achieved far more for human rights etc than other institutions by pursuing them not as end in themselves but as means to economic advancement. I actually wrote my undergraduate dissertation on the development of human rights in EU law if anyone's interested (can't remember if it's any good or not though). Free movement of capital I've got no idea about, seems pretty dumb to me. *this should not be construed as advocating liberalism, which remains bad, but the EU is liberalism done right e:^same, I made the conscious decision not to look for the thread or to google "isle of wight bradley mccintosh" just in case Borrovan fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 17:21
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can i honestly say i doibt corbyn is going near 10th.. i think the queen wkll intervene nefore that happens.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:21
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OwlFancier posted:Movement of people is a good thing because I think it has a very strong internationalist component which allows us a glimpse of a society without borders. Obviously it has very heavily fortified borders at the edge of the EU but bringing together the disparate nations of Europe into something that can work together and attempt to live together seems like a positive step to me, it is something that is worth building on. Freedom of movement is of course good and the ultimate goal in an equitable world, but it's extremely frustrating when liberals act shocked when people bring up that populations might have a point to be anxious about sharing a labour pool with countries with vastly differing incomes, or that freedom of movement within the EU has resulted in economic imperialism in the form of wealthier countries poaching skilled workers (particularly in healthcare) from poorer ones.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:24
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No she won't.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:24
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JFairfax posted:I only see one pair of DDs there But five tits in total.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:30
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whats Corbyns plan to reduce terrorism in the UK?
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Jun 30, 2017 17:31
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LeoMarr posted:whats Corbyns plan to reduce terrorism in the UK? To retire to South Spain.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:32
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MikeCrotch posted:Freedom of movement is of course good and the ultimate goal in an equitable world, but it's extremely frustrating when liberals act shocked when people bring up that populations might have a point to be anxious about sharing a labour pool with countries with vastly differing incomes, or that freedom of movement within the EU has resulted in economic imperialism in the form of wealthier countries poaching skilled workers (particularly in healthcare) from poorer ones. Oh aye that's a valid complaint certainly, it doesn't help wealth inequality as much as it entrenches it geographically by allowing skilled labour to migrate.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:33
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LeoMarr posted:whats Corbyns plan to reduce terrorism in the UK? rehiring all those police May got rid of for a start.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:33
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LeoMarr posted:whats Corbyns plan to reduce terrorism in the UK? Corbyn will ban the police from shooting at terrorists because he hates America
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Jun 30, 2017 17:34
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Borrovan posted:
Free movement of capital is building server banks in Shanghai not Ohio. In the short term speculation might distort that but over time, it averages worker pay over rich and poor parts of the world - everywhere that's in the system. It does the opposite for capital rents (i.e. it concentrates the wealth of whoever has the most) but this is usually moderated by protectionism and corruption, so local elites get rich off the benefit that would otherwise flow to local workers and foreign owners. I actually don't understand the socialist argument against it and would be interested to know more.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:34
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LeoMarr posted:whats Corbyns plan to reduce terrorism in the UK? "not fire literally thousands of police officers and slash every security related budget to the bone"?
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Jun 30, 2017 17:35
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If in doubt the goto is "eat the rich"
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Firos posted:More to the point, which odious cretin in the Tory party would realistically take over from him if he dropped it for whatever reason? No one that inspires much confidence, to say the least. Michael Gove, holding a book about The Raj
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