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| Labour |
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907 | 49.92% |
| Theresa May Team (Conservative) |
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48 | 2.64% |
| Liberal Democrats |
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31 | 1.71% |
| UKIP |
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13 | 0.72% |
| Plaid Cymru |
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25 | 1.38% |
| Green |
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22 | 1.21% |
| Scottish Socialist Party |
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12 | 0.66% |
| Scottish Conservative Party |
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1 | 0.06% |
| Scottish National Party |
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59 | 3.25% |
| Some Kind of Irish Unionist |
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4 | 0.22% |
| Alliance / Irish Nonsectarian |
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3 | 0.17% |
| Some Kind of Irish Nationalist |
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36 | 1.98% |
| Misc. Far Left Trots |
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35 | 1.93% |
| Misc. Far Right Fash |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Monster Raving Loony |
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49 | 2.70% |
| Space Navies Party |
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39 | 2.15% |
| Independent / Single Issue |
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2 | 0.11% |
| Can't Vote |
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188 | 10.35% |
| Won't Vote |
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8 | 0.44% |
| Spoiled Ballot |
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15 | 0.83% |
| Pissflaps |
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312 | 17.17% |
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Irony Be My Shield posted:No she won't. I feel like it's worth noting that the queen became queen only four years after the NHS was founded so I don't think she's going to mind the man who wants to fund it.
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Beefeater1980 posted:Free movement of capital is building server banks in Shanghai not Ohio. In the short term speculation might distort that but over time, it averages worker pay over rich and poor parts of the world - everywhere that's in the system. It does the opposite for capital rents (i.e. it concentrates the wealth of whoever has the most) but this is usually moderated by protectionism and corruption, so local elites get rich off the benefit that would otherwise flow to local workers and foreign owners. It's because worker pay typically ends up closer to the poorer side than the rich side, protectionism is seeing resistance from the same proponents of free capital, and it allows moneyed interests a middle-man to provide reasonable doubt WRT breaking regulation; it's not our fault our factories overseas used slave labor, all we did was set goals achievable only with slave labor. Like most ideologies it would be fine in a perfect scenario with fair executors who keep everything above the board and exclude countries with poor records of following regulation and workers rights. But that's not true, and no measures will be put in place to keep elites from hopping to countries with the worst protections. TPP has been an excellent example of this. Despite agreeing to regulations Vietnam was never observed to have put them in place or prepared for them at any point in the agreements' life before it was killed.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:49
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the council leader is resigning, blaming everyone else and making up non-existent legal advice https://twitter.com/BBCBreaking/status/880824588849913856
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Jun 30, 2017 17:50
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Beefeater1980 posted:Free movement of capital is building server banks in Shanghai not Ohio. In the short term speculation might distort that but over time, it averages worker pay over rich and poor parts of the world - everywhere that's in the system. It does the opposite for capital rents (i.e. it concentrates the wealth of whoever has the most) but this is usually moderated by protectionism and corruption, so local elites get rich off the benefit that would otherwise flow to local workers and foreign owners. I don't quite understand what you said, but is the theory basically something to the effect that (to take an oversimplified example), if one area has a comparatively high concentration of capital, and another area has, say, a high concentration of labour and widget components, and high demand for widgets, it's more efficient to move the capital there and build a widget factory? Because that makes sense. The objection is because the first person then siphons all of his profits off to whichever country has the lowest taxes. That's hardly the EU's fault though, they've fought for integrated tax laws for years, no prizes for guessing which Member State has taken umbridge at that...
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Jun 30, 2017 17:53
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Spangly A posted:
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Jun 30, 2017 17:55
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:the council leader is resigning, blaming everyone else and making up non-existent legal advice I'm nowhere near as guillotine-happy as most of y'all, but seriously 
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Jun 30, 2017 17:56
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:the council leader is resigning, blaming everyone else and making up non-existent legal advice That's the face of someone who knows he's about to lose around £67,000 a year.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:58
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Anybody know anything good to do in Bristol? Gonna be there over the weekend with the gf and not too too sure what we're gonna go see yet.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:59
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communism bitch posted:Anybody know anything good to do in Bristol? Gonna be there over the weekend with the gf and not too too sure what we're gonna go see yet. Motion is a quality night out if you're into that sort of thing.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:01
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:the council leader is resigning, blaming everyone else and making up non-existent legal advice lol while dozens of people burned to death this motherfucker got sunburn while keeping his shades on hahah
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Jun 30, 2017 18:04
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communism bitch posted:Anybody know anything good to do in Bristol? Gonna be there over the weekend with the gf and not too too sure what we're gonna go see yet. what sort of poo poo are you into? POCO is a really nice little spot to eat with locally sourced food and is in the vibrant Stokes Croft area, and is opposite the Canteen which has decent live music. There is an app Headfirst Bristol - download it and it will give you a solid heads up as to things that are going on. Motion is a bit out of the way and is a 'big night out' type of a thing. There are a bunch of decent pubs in Bristol, The Orchard on Spike Island, Bag of Nails, Coronation Tap are all proper interesting little boozers. e/ oh if you want to smoke some weed out the back of a pub go to The Cadbury where will you be staying?
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Jun 30, 2017 18:05
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I think what strikes me most about paget brown is he somehow thinks his safety and security matters more than working with the council, because he keeps going on about threats to him as if a shitload of people didnt just burn to death directly due to decisions he made.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:06
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staberind posted:I was just thrifty and got the cheapest/dumbest smartphone i could, was pretty amazed at it. this new one is just ridiculously better. I just was not interested in having a smartphone until I realised that I could use it to play flac audio files. Water cooling is hopelessly out of date and hasn't really been a real thing in the Core i era, instead you want to use copper pipes.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:12
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communism bitch posted:Anybody know anything good to do in Bristol? Gonna be there over the weekend with the gf and not too too sure what we're gonna go see yet. If the weather's awful the aquarium is worth a visit.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:13
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JFairfax posted:what sort of poo poo are you into? We'll be just outside the city in an airbnb type place. I like galleries and museums, old bookshops. Cheap is good, free is better. We're bringing weed with thankfully, so no worries there.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:13
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full statement via https://twitter.com/PA/status/880832266653618177 they only had £274m in reserves like every other council
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Jun 30, 2017 18:13
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communism bitch posted:We'll be just outside the city in an airbnb type place. I like galleries and museums, old bookshops. Cheap is good, free is better. yeah, I mean you can go to the back of the Cadbury and smoke out the back in the beer garden - that's it's thing. the Arnolfini is a good gallery on the docks, you might like the industrial museum which is near there and now known as the M shed - but it miiight be a little kiddy focused. But on weekends there is a steam train which takes you down the docks from the M shed towards the SS great britain which is worth a look. for free art go to the bearpit and wander around Stokes Croft, plenty of graffiti around there. bristol does not have the best museums. there is an old bookshop in St Nick's market on Corn street, it's worth checking out the market for good food + the book shop. Castle park is worth a little wander around for the bombed out church. Also check out Cabot's tower off Park street for another cool park and views.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:22
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Beefeater1980 posted:Free movement of capital is building server banks in Shanghai not Ohio. In the short term speculation might distort that but over time, it averages worker pay over rich and poor parts of the world - everywhere that's in the system. It does the opposite for capital rents (i.e. it concentrates the wealth of whoever has the most) but this is usually moderated by protectionism and corruption, so local elites get rich off the benefit that would otherwise flow to local workers and foreign owners. These are good responses: Neurolimal posted:It's because worker pay typically ends up closer to the poorer side than the rich side, protectionism is seeing resistance from the same proponents of free capital, and it allows moneyed interests a middle-man to provide reasonable doubt WRT breaking regulation; it's not our fault our factories overseas used slave labor, all we did was set goals achievable only with slave labor. Borrovan posted:I don't quite understand what you said, but is the theory basically something to the effect that (to take an oversimplified example), if one area has a comparatively high concentration of capital, and another area has, say, a high concentration of labour and widget components, and high demand for widgets, it's more efficient to move the capital there and build a widget factory? Because that makes sense. But it's not exactly the theoretical approach: Capital works to maximise profits so yeah places where labour is cheap and capital scarce/capital costs low will attract investment as it moves to the areas where profit is greatest. But this is by no means a guaranteed process; poor areas with poor prospects won't receive any benefit and even reasonably profitable places might not receive anything because somewhere else is everso slightly better. Investment is made only to benefit the capitalist, not any sort of concept of developing the people or area it invests in; they're required to give the least they can and take the most and it's only the massive power of technology (so spillover benefits are larger, competition exists which increases some wages) which makes this process any better than the resource extraction which happened under colonialism. The flip side of this is that it has no loyalty to the places it is leaving; just as it industrialises the poorest places bringing pollution and sweatshops, it deindustrialises the richest, leaving ghost towns and malaise in the population. Capitalists must also continue to increase the rate of exploitation so while there are competitive pressures to increase conditions they themselves are actively fighting to keep them as cheap (therefore bad) as possible; this creates whole nations which have no prospect of advancement as their governments are functionaries of international capitalism against which the locals have little to no power to resist. Basically the globalisation approach to improving conditions of the global south is that it only happens by accident and only if the rich and powerful can't prevent it from happening, so viewing it as a positive of the system is perverse.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:22
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Wiggly Wayne DDS posted:full statement via https://twitter.com/PA/status/880832266653618177 Noticed he's consistently used the term "perceived failings". Real smooth.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:24
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^^^ Yeah and 'clearly' the issue is a national problem around regulation, also people are taking attention away from the victims to point fingers at the council and that's so wrong, I'm resigning as a moral stanceWiggly Wayne DDS posted:they only had £274m in reserves like every other council Be fair, that's a mere 55x larger than the emergency funding from the national government baka kaba fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 18:24
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Borrovan posted:I actually wrote my undergraduate dissertation on the development of human rights in EU law if anyone's interested (can't remember if it's any good or not though). I'd be interested in hearing more about that. Sounds fascinating.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:25
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JFairfax posted:yeah, I mean you can go to the back of the Cadbury and smoke out the back in the beer garden - that's it's thing.  much obliged.We're only there for a couple days because the gf is desperate to visit before we leave the country, so hopefully she'll be happy regardless. We'll give some of these a shot.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:26
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communism bitch posted:
no worries, but def check out that Headfirst Bristol app - it lists all sorts of live events usually evening, live music, DJ nights, club nights even stuff like comedy I think.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:27
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rovan posted:I don't quite understand what you said, but is the theory basically something to the effect that (to take an oversimplified example), if one area has a comparatively high concentration of capital, and another area has, say, a high concentration of labour and widget components, and high demand for widgets, it's more efficient to move the capital there and build a widget factory? Because that makes sense. Yes, that's exactly it and a bit more: in the world we live in, anywhere that's not Europe, North America, Japan or a former Commonwealth Dominion is likely to have a labour surplus. India and China collectively have enough labour to keep UK wages low for the lifetimes of anyone reading this thread. For the 90s and 00s, the big pools of capital - dwarfing everything else - were pension funds for the reliably solvent western countries. I don't know if that is still true. Most of the wealth of the world for at least the past 70 or so years has gone to ensuring that the people drawing pensions in countries that have been in the global capitalist system get those pensions paid. Many of the ultra-rich are wealthy as a side effect of that process, and most are now drawn from the ranks of the people who invested those funds' money. I'm not sure if the rampant capitalism from 2000 onwards has changed that. The risk is that there might not be enough resources in the whole world to spread that wealth to everyone else. That's my liberal centrist worry: we actually can't produce enough for a global surplus at our current level of technology and when that becomes obvious people will get violent so as to get their share. Beefeater1980 fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 18:30
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I'll install it on the way up for sure, cheers
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Jun 30, 2017 18:30
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kctmo chief exec is stepping aside and an interim is being appointed https://twitter.com/matthewchampion/status/880780677670719488 hoping it all blows over is the stance so far, well and hope every lawyer in the country doesn't publicly rip the legal advice defence apart
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Jun 30, 2017 18:30
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namesake posted:Basically the globalisation approach to improving conditions of the global south is that it only happens by accident and only if the rich and powerful can't prevent it from happening, so viewing it as a positive of the system is perverse.  The poorest of the poor were ignored as there was nothing there that global capital wanted, but the vast majority of the global proletariat (mostly India and China) got better off (monetarily at least) as a side effect of globalization. The Western proletariat and lower-middle class saw little of that or even got worse off, and blamed overseas manufacturing and immigration. The capitalists and fund managers also got better off, despite (because of) starting from immense wealth. Which set the stage nicely for massive resentment of the world at large rather than the capital class when the crash did hit. I'd be interested to see one for 1998-2018 when that comes around. Or even just a post great recession one. e: 
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Jun 30, 2017 18:48
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Paget-Brown's deputy Fellen-Mellen also resigned. Fellen-Mellen got tore to pieces in private eye this week so no wonder he doesn't want the national attention. He's shady as gently caress.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:51
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so corbyn will decrease the slashing of police budgets, so hes going to increase the police on the streets. I want to lnow what his foreign policy objextives would be?
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Jun 30, 2017 18:53
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LeoMarr posted:so corbyn will decrease the slashing of police budgets, so hes going to increase the police on the streets. I want to lnow what his foreign policy objextives would be? Spelling and grammar lessons for Americans. Also; world peace. loving love dat elephant.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:55
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I understand that May is a turd and has elected to let a turd handle brexit negotiations, but surely there must be some vaguely competent people in the Tories? Amber Rudd or even Jake Rees-Mog?
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Jun 30, 2017 18:55
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Dance Officer posted:I understand that May is a turd and has elected to let a turd handle brexit negotiations, but surely there must be some vaguely competent people in the Tories? Amber Rudd or even Jake Rees-Mog? lol, Jacob would get us to leave the EU immediately and send gunboats to shell Egypt and take back the Suez.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:57
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communism bitch posted:We'll be just outside the city in an airbnb type place. I like galleries and museums, old bookshops. Cheap is good, free is better. I want a weed 
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Jun 30, 2017 18:58
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Skinty McEdger posted:Paget-Brown's deputy Fellen-Mellen also resigned. Some of you may remember i had a bunch of poshos in my office last week all talking about what a lovely chap feilding mellen was. Well some of them were back this week to continue their work and they were all shouting and swearing at each other in agreement about how loving stupid the mayor is and "this is all eco green bollocks" and how "well zinc has to be mined and flown here and that's all airmiles, not very loving green is it?". I didn't twig at the time but now i guess they were talking about Grenfell because I gather that the cladding could have or should have been made of zinc, and that this would've been an improvement. I assume this contorted argument was them all trying to convince themselves and each other that their mate isn't a massive oval office lol.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:58
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Paget-Brown claiming the council couldn't talk in front of the press is bullshit of the highest order. How can making any information public compromise a public inquiry? It's judge-led, so there's no potential jury to influence. It's just nonsense.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:59
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LeoMarr posted:so corbyn will decrease the slashing of police budgets, so hes going to increase the police on the streets. I want to lnow what his foreign policy objextives would be? reduction in foreign intervention, definitely. probably some internationalist cooperation and foreign aid stuff might gain some goodwill which will probably be sharply contrasted by some of the necessarily protectionist elements of re-nationalization and infrastructure investment efforts on the domestic front.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:59
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CoolCab posted:reduction in foreign intervention, definitely. probably some internationalist cooperation and foreign aid stuff might gain some goodwill which will probably be sharply contrasted by some of the necessarily protectionist elements of re-nationalization and infrastructure investment efforts on the domestic front. and when the terrorist attaxka dont stop?
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Jun 30, 2017 19:01
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communism bitch posted:Some of you may remember i had a bunch of poshos in my office last week all talking about what a lovely chap feilding mellen was. Look they've got dinner plans at the ball at Chessington Castle next week and the Marquis of Plymouths' wife did the seating plans so they're sitting next to the fellow and his wife and it'd make conversation bloody awkward right about the second course (out of five!) if they're sitting next to the sort of person who recklessly covered buildings in flammable materials so it can't have happened that way.
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Jun 30, 2017 19:02
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There are too many people really, it fucks up everything
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LeoMarr posted:and when the terrorist attaxka dont stop? more cops, i imagine. i sort of doubt that any reduction in terrorism because of reduction in foreign intervention will manifest any time soon (poo poo like ISIS took what, a decade after the Messopotamia to really kick off?), but as a Canadian i absolutely believe that you can use a military force in a way that encourages peacekeeping in a way that reduces the risk of terrorism
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