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WWE has more TV in a 'season' than Game of Thrones has had in its entire run.
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Erebus posted:There's that story about Steph mocking the writer who tried to build a bible of character backstories, so the problem is they think all that "real" storytelling is lame stuff for babies. Yeah that's Chris Kreski, he had a background in television and got brought in after Russo jumped to WCW. He wrote through 1999-2000, which were some of WWF's best financial and arguably creative years. And yes, Steph and Vince made fun of him for storyboarding out his plots and characters, like a competent writer. Also you could bring in any high caliber writer with a solid history in television writing, they still have to go through the current day filter of the McMahons. Issue isn't the writers, although for the most part they suck as well. Blooming Brilliant fucked around with this message at 16:12 on Jun 30, 2017 |
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Jun 30, 2017 16:09
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I could be wrong, but didn't Russo also have a "bible" for tracking characters and storylines?
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Jun 30, 2017 16:35
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Erebus posted:There's that story about Steph mocking the writer who tried to build a bible of character backstories, so the problem is they think all that "real" storytelling is lame stuff for babies. What if you had a TV guy like Benioff cover the overarching storyline parts, with Heyman or some other guy with booking experience to advise them on the aspects specific to wrestling booking? This is discounting everything about the McMahons being the final say.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:04
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rare Magic card l00k posted:WWE has more TV in a 'season' than Game of Thrones has had in its entire run. Right but GOT also has locations to manage and characters to keep track of where as WWE either has characters walking to a ring to talk or walking to a ring to fight.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:06
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mary had a little clam posted:Regarding Writer/Vince/HHH chat earlier in the thread, I have a stupid question: A few factors would prevent this, including WWE is poison on a serious resume; WWE doesn't pay people well generally (except for Kevin Dunn's baffling $4.7 million a year); 3. They don't really have that kind of chain of command. Like Vince and/or Hunter wouldn't let some outside run things. People aren't kidding about edicts from on high that drastically change storylines, whether long term or short term, at astoundingly short notice. If I recall correctly, it's very rare for RAW to be completely written an hour beforehand, without any changes from then. WWE would almost certainly be way too unprofessional an environment for serious writers. And giving up control, giving a good wage, and creating a good working environment (doubtful they would let a star writer just write from a single location, they might insanely have them follow them around the world on WWEs travels).
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Jun 30, 2017 17:09
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Kuroyama posted:What if you had a TV guy like Benioff cover the overarching storyline parts, with Heyman or some other guy with booking experience to advise them on the aspects specific to wrestling booking? This is discounting everything about the McMahons being the final say. Eh WWE does it all the time where people just rise up and take someone else's spot. It's not really that hard to figure out if you get someone competent. But WWE doesn't need a prestige show runner. They just need to take more ideas from their talent. Edit: Like is Hornswoggle being Vince's son because of Mr. Kennedy's suspension really that hard of a concept to come up with?
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Jun 30, 2017 17:09
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If you completely remove the McMahon's from the equation, there's absolutely no reason a professional TV showrunner couldn't add to the product assuming they let the match agents worry about the in ring stuff. As things stand now, no reasonable tv person who could get a job elsewhere would work in the wwe environment and in the off chance they took that leap, it would probably be 90 days or less before they quit. The writers exist to flesh out Vince's bad ideas and be interchangeable parts which can be disposed of when those ideas inevitably fail.
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Jun 30, 2017 17:19
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And then disposed of again and again, if steph feels you don't feel bad enough about being disposed of
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Jun 30, 2017 17:31
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an unnamed twitter wrestling newsman recently hinted that stephanie mcmahon caused the emotional downward spiral and death of patrice o'neal
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Jun 30, 2017 17:34
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Cavauro posted:an unnamed twitter wrestling newsman recently hinted that stephanie mcmahon caused the emotional downward spiral and death of patrice o'neal When will the public finally learn it just isn't safe to watch Raw without a discussion thread! *lights candle*
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Jun 30, 2017 17:38
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Blooming Brilliant posted:Yeah that's Chris Kreski, he had a background in television and got brought in after Russo jumped to WCW. He wrote through 1999-2000, which were some of WWF's best financial and arguably creative years. And yes, Steph and Vince made fun of him for storyboarding out his plots and characters, like a competent writer. 
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Jun 30, 2017 17:38
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Maxwell Lord posted:To this day I do not understand that gimmick. Like, at all. It's like... did Vince travel to Puerto Rico and have a terrible time and this was revenge? The first time I saw their promo I thought it was for one of those lovely USA shows.
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Kuroyama posted:What if you had a TV guy like Benioff cover the overarching storyline parts, with Heyman or some other guy with booking experience to advise them on the aspects specific to wrestling booking? This is discounting everything about the McMahons being the final say. One day last summer I walked into the writer's office and said, 'You know that kid Bayley who gets mercilessly owned by Alexa Bliss? The one who confronts her in front of her hometown and loses?' 'Yeah?' 'Well,' said I, 'doesn't it make sense that she would challenge Alexa to a rematch at Extreme Rules? Where else is she going to go?' 'You're right,' they said. 'That does make sense.' 'And what if during the match, she's getting mercilessly owned yet again?' This year, I am a writer on the show.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:16
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https://twitter.com/WWE/status/880835832453705729
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Jun 30, 2017 18:36
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Cavauro posted:an unnamed twitter wrestling newsman recently hinted that stephanie mcmahon caused the emotional downward spiral and death of patrice o'neal I highly doubt that, patrice used to joke about those days all the time. He didn't even do it for that long. He had diabetes.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:40
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....really?
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Jun 30, 2017 18:43
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Tomahawk posted:I highly doubt that, patrice used to joke about those days all the time. He didn't even do it for that long. He had diabetes. That sounds suspicious but believe what you want. humor and overeating can both be easily linked to depression. i dont make the highly likely to be true rumors going around the insider knowledge hotspots. i just post them from time to time.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:44
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crippling diabetes is no joke. it's how kamala lost his legs.
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Jun 30, 2017 18:48
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TwoDogs1Cup posted:....really? the more matches they have with lana, the more camera angles kevin dunn has of lana for his personal collection
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Jun 30, 2017 18:49
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allowing diabetes to become crippling is far more likely to happen if someone is suffering through an emotional downward spiral or feeling lost in life because of stephanie mcmahon
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Jun 30, 2017 18:56
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So is something going to happen this time or are they going to keep burying someone they literally just put on the roster
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Jun 30, 2017 19:02
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So either Lana gets buried again or Naomi loses the title on TV to someone she's destroyed twice. Or they do a DQ or some other bullshit out of it. It's nice to know a match's outcome is gonna be terrible no matter what before you go in.
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Jun 30, 2017 19:11
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I hope Lana and Rusev keep losing until one of them either finally tells the company to gently caress off and quits or they both just give up and start losing in the intentionally funniest way possible Like how Gail Kim did both and just immediately walked out of a battle royal that had just started seconds before, nobody on air even noticed (even though she was one of 10 people in the ring), and nobody backstage noticed until she walked in and said "I left and I quit"
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Jun 30, 2017 19:13
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Hell, let's do it, have the Russian win on the fourth of July and embrace every single champion in the company being a heel.
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Jun 30, 2017 19:29
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probably so carmella can tease a cash in and/or actually cash in
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Jun 30, 2017 19:32
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Grendels Dad posted:One day last summer I walked into the writer's office and said, 'You know that kid Bayley who gets mercilessly owned by Alexa Bliss? The one who confronts her in front of her hometown and loses?' 'Yeah?' 'Well,' said I, 'doesn't it make sense that she would challenge Alexa to a rematch at Extreme Rules? Where else is she going to go?' 'You're right,' they said. 'That does make sense.' 'And what if during the match, she's getting mercilessly owned yet again?' I just wanted to express that I enjoyed and appreciated this post. The guys that run GoT are so loving petty and spiteful they'd probably fit right in with the McMahon's.
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Jun 30, 2017 19:40
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If they keep doing the same match over and over again eventually it will be good
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Jun 30, 2017 19:42
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I hope Rusev returns on the 4th of July and wins the US Title and Lana wins the women's title and they celebrate with a live sex celebration
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Jun 30, 2017 19:49
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Cross post from the b league MMA thread, but this is great because it's a shoot Trouble in Paradise https://twitter.com/kokings4/status/880511073664860161
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Jun 30, 2017 19:52
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I was mad they gave Lana the first rematch for no reason after losing decisively, this is just absurd
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Jun 30, 2017 19:57
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Is that dude okay? 
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Jun 30, 2017 19:58
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St Evan Echoes posted:Is that dude okay? lol no
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Jun 30, 2017 20:18
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St Evan Echoes posted:Is that dude okay? He's white, who cares
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Jun 30, 2017 20:18
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Blasmeister posted:I was mad they gave Lana the first rematch for no reason after losing decisively, this is just absurd Personally I'm happy for the return of Christian's "One...more...match!" gimmick
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Jun 30, 2017 20:21
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Midnightghoul posted:He's white, who cares Triple H, probably
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Jun 30, 2017 20:23
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Midnightghoul posted:He's white, who cares 
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Jun 30, 2017 20:28
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Ragnarok the Red posted:Personally I'm happy for the return of Christian's "One...more...match!" gimmick Maybe she's earned Batista's perennial "number one contender" status.
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Jun 30, 2017 20:44
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reignofevil posted:When will the public finally learn it just isn't safe to watch Raw without a discussion thread! I don't know. I'm enjoying RAW and SD a lot more now that I'm not exposed to the consistent negativity.
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Senerio posted:I don't know. I'm enjoying RAW and SD a lot more now that I'm not exposed to the consistent negativity. It is a lot easier to watch fascism without critique, agreed.
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