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Always considered myself centrist or liberal but was a "well maybe there are or aren't wmds and we can make things safer for Israel while rescuing the Iraqis from a tyrant" kind of liberal in the early 2000s. Hated bush and loved Obama. Got pushed slowly to the left reading LF but I still believed Obama was this secret progressive, if only the repubs wouldn't get in the way. Thanks to game/weird twitter I followed a lot of leftists and ID pol liberals in the last few years. When most of the liberals went full lefty bashing in the primaries and chapo came around I think it got me over the line. Its a good gateway drug to quickly get to know a lot of cool lefties on twitter (though some later kind of melted down like Fang)
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Yea that's more or less my path too. I mean poo poo I was 100% in for the whole "Hillary is the best we can do, slow progress is progress" ride until, ya know, that got busted right up. Then I figured gently caress it if minor, still regressive, half measures are all we have maybe we deserve to lose. It's real fuckin hard to believe in "pragmatic progressives" when they keep losing to guys shouting "IF WE CAN'T HAVE A LAW PUTTING ALL QUEERS AND MUSLIMS ON A ROCKET TO THE SUN THEN WE'LL BURN THIS COUNTRY TO THE GROUND TO TEACH YOU WHO'S BOSS". Maybe we should get in on that "just say what you want to happen and don't bend over at the first resisting you get" train.
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In middle school and high school because of bus routes I would go to my grandpa's after school and we'd talk about stuff and he'd tell me about his life. Like when he'd drive women across state lines to get abortions back in the 60s, or getting wiretapped by the Reagan administration for his involvement in the Sanctuary movement, or when he went to Nicaragua to help smuggle people out of the country. Just instilled in me a deep loathing for all things right of the center-left and I self-radicalized from there I guess.
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:I still believed Obama was this secret progressive, if only the repubs wouldn't get in the way. this is exactly what happened, though: obama was up against the most obstructionist congress in history. He still sucks for the drone warfare, deportations, warrantless wiretapping, etc., but it's not like any bills he liked crossed his desk after 2010
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he was pretty much just another hawkish democrat who happened to kind of catch on to progressive rhetoric, but in practice he was very much a useless centrist incrementalist I mean the point of the obstructionist congress is important sure, but he also didn't use his power effectively at all, such as a lack of executive orders or pardons
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cat doter posted:he was pretty much just another hawkish democrat who happened to kind of catch on to progressive rhetoric, but in practice he was very much a useless centrist incrementalist Obama was anti-Iraq War which got him a lot of credibility on the FP side. Either he got consumed by the Blob when he got into national politics, or he never really had a problem with military intervention as long as it's done "right", i.e. with zero risk to American lives (drones, Libya, etc.), or maybe a bit of both. The EO stuff is a mixed bag. He could've also taken a principled stance of trying to kill the imperial presidency left behind by GWB, but he opted to cement it, sometimes for good reasons, sometimes for bad reasons. On the other hand with an intransigent congress, EOs are the only tool you have, and they can be quickly rolled back the moment you lose the White House. Of course even if Obama had made a valiant effort in killing presidential power creep in the crib, Trump would've just brought it back because norms don't matter and the imperial presidency operates within a framework of norms, not laws. The lesson: do whatever it takes, play whatever dirty trick you have, to push through your agenda, because voters don't care. Trump showing that a barely functioning vegetable can sit in the Oval Office and the lights still turn on and hot water still runs are a bigger argument against the imperial presidency than anything Obama could have done.
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Hahahahaha yesss
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Dimebags Brain posted:In middle school and high school because of bus routes I would go to my grandpa's after school and we'd talk about stuff and he'd tell me about his life. Like when he'd drive women across state lines to get abortions back in the 60s, or getting wiretapped by the Reagan administration for his involvement in the Sanctuary movement, or when he went to Nicaragua to help smuggle people out of the country. Just instilled in me a deep loathing for all things right of the center-left and I self-radicalized from there I guess. Sounds like a  grandpa.
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Crane Fist posted:Is actually being baptized a normal thing? Like is that the default over there? Kind of. Quebec used to be really Catholic, and despite religion dropping off a cliff after the Quiet Revolution in the 60s, most kids get baptized. My parents also aren't married.
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I was a punk kid who eventually cleaned up and just became a lib because anything I believed in seemed way too unrealistic, but I'm shifting leftward and also I'm not a dumbass now, mostly.
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Re:twitch from earlier in the thread... I kind of wonder, looking back on that gamergate thing from a few years ago where it seems like most self-identitied gamers are politically aware now, even if their politics are based in their disdain for girls or whatever, if there was a missed opportunity to introduce that subculture to class consciousness or if such a subculture would be resistant to the idea
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:Re:twitch from earlier in the thread... I kind of wonder, looking back on that gamergate thing from a few years ago where it seems like most self-identitied gamers are politically aware now, even if their politics are based in their disdain for girls or whatever, if there was a missed opportunity to introduce that subculture to class consciousness or if such a subculture would be resistant to the idea I'm gonna say a majority of people who identify as "gamers" probably identify to the right.
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Famethrowa posted:yeah you can see them reflexively recoil because he is 100% on point. they're losers and they want to make everyone else's life a living hell because of it. we've created a generation of sociopath's for the last 30+ years and are now feeling the burnt of it have a nice sunday BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 16:13 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I'm gonna say a majority of people who identify as "gamers" probably identify to the right. It's a vocal minority, at least 
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I'm gonna say a majority of people who identify as "gamers" probably identify to the right. holy poo poo this. i frequent the forums of a fighting game website, and the Politics thread literally has a guy posting about how InfoWars/Milo/Project Veriatas is a legitimate source of political information  he admitted he was a socialist in college to be edgy. BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 16:21 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Heh none of you posted on neogaf in middle school, I see
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I'm gonna say a majority of people who identify as "gamers" probably identify to the right. Please god, murder me for what I'm about to say It's not like there's any real leftist outreach to gamers
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The REAL Goobusters posted:I'm gonna say a majority of people who identify as "gamers" probably identify to the right. Gamers are bad.
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:Re:twitch from earlier in the thread... I kind of wonder, looking back on that gamergate thing from a few years ago where it seems like most self-identitied gamers are politically aware now, even if their politics are based in their disdain for girls or whatever, if there was a missed opportunity to introduce that subculture to class consciousness or if such a subculture would be resistant to the idea i feel like any hope for class consciousness is dashed due to the Red Scare. an entire generation of Americans and their descendants have been brainwashed to believe Socialism/Communism = Slavery. Like, how could someone combat those misconceptions? Lurks Morington posted:Heh none of you posted on neogaf in middle school, I see 
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Guy Goodbody posted:Please god, murder me for what I'm about to say Just about every game save FPSes has a plot about accepting people and being cool to each other, though? 
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Like a lot of tech industries, Gaming generally skews socially liberal but economically pretty libertarian. It's the land of "well you have a chill out room and free cokes in the fridge but we're going to cut your entire team the second we ship this game"
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Race Realists posted:i feel like any hope for class consciousness is dashed due to the Red Scare. an entire generation of Americans and their descendants have been brainwashed to believe Socialism/Communism = Slavery. It's more than that: our entire society is based around being selfish assholes. It's incentivized by the way things are set up now (Shkreli isn't anyone special, he's a symptom).
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Sushi in Yiddish posted:Like a lot of tech industries, Gaming generally skews socially liberal but economically pretty libertarian. It's the land of "well you have a chill out room and free cokes in the fridge but we're going to cut your entire team the second we ship this game" It's sad that so many tech workers have the mentality of "why would we need a union when we have a ball pit in the office?" as they are working 100 hours a week and have "office sleepovers" during crunch time
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I think the way to go with the Twitch Stream would be to borrow the Red Letter Media model rather than as a reply to stuff like the Stefan Molyneux stream. It's obvious that at least half of the Chapo crew don't game often / aren't as interested in gaming, but as a way to make a stream where one or two play a game while keeping a more casual conversation between x or y it would be perfect. People obviously log in to watch footage of them looking at a blurry Steven Seagal vid or to watch Micki be walked for a bit, so why not make a more casual avenue for these? Obviously it wouldn't be filled with as much bits, so you'd get something more like the Hegelbon podcast or the guest segments on SFR. And like the RLM streams, someone like Brendan or Virgil would type out a small summary of what went down on the VOD highlight, without much pressure for let's say Matt or Amber to be front and center and have to nod along to twitch chat. Not to mention it's clearly more personality driven than idea driven, as it would be more "Hang out with the Chapo Crew for a bit!" than "Listen to these harebringers of leftism". On the Intercepted podcast, Felix's stance on how a podcast could touch so much people did remind me of something Wolfshirt stated about the Six Feats Under Streams/Let'sPlays, as that people do see podcasts as this conversation with neat people that the listener happens to pop in rather than an audio segment where people just read you something or act out a play (Stuff like The Adventure Zone aside). Plus, having them be less pressured to act out like their usual Chapo roles would mean an audience that likes them outside of the podcast but isn't fond of some of the material can join in. As long as it's not this "We must get ourselves our own reaction to the alt-right" poo poo, I can picture this going rather well!
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Or when game devs threw a fit at the notion of voice actors getting royalties when they don't get any.
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I think that's a good approach. When Felix did the sincere Les Miserables solo pod it was cool seeing him out of kayfabe for a bit and just talking about something he clearly cares a lot about. The comments though, christ I don't envy the person who's gonna have to keep the gaming chuds moderated in there.
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Kunster posted:I think the way to go with the Twitch Stream would be to borrow the Red Letter Media model rather than as a reply to stuff like the Stefan Molyneux stream. It's obvious that at least half of the Chapo crew don't game often / aren't as interested in gaming, but as a way to make a stream where one or two play a game while keeping a more casual conversation between x or y it would be perfect. People obviously log in to watch footage of them looking at a blurry Steven Seagal vid or to watch Micki be walked for a bit, so why not make a more casual avenue for these? Chapo go on Best of the Worst
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bvj191jgl7bBsqF5m posted:Re:twitch from earlier in the thread... I kind of wonder, looking back on that gamergate thing from a few years ago where it seems like most self-identitied gamers are politically aware now, even if their politics are based in their disdain for girls or whatever, if there was a missed opportunity to introduce that subculture to class consciousness or if such a subculture would be resistant to the idea Edit: And that's what Angela Nagle means, I think, when she says they and tumblr SJWs mirror each other. Halloween Jack fucked around with this message at 17:34 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Halloween Jack posted:The entire alt-right can be explained in terms of a generation of men being raised under a fervent campaign to eliminate class consciousness from American discourse. They're "politically aware" with a complete ignorance of what actually constitutes politics, which is why they get caught up in anti-feminist paranoia and racism and the alt-right and every other sort of kookiness. i find that a majority of them "experimented" with socialism in their younger years, but Grew Up and realized that meritocracy (and extension, systemic economic inequality) is cool and good BornAPoorBlkChild fucked around with this message at 17:52 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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Die Sexmonster! posted:It's a vocal minority, at least uh no its a big majority.
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when you have young men raised with certain patriarchal ideas about their role as providers and workers, then slowly erode that through the wonders of late capitalism, it's really no wonder that those people would fixate on something that catered almost entirely do adolescent male power fantasies like most demographic things it's a correlation not causation
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The REAL Goobusters posted:uh no its a big majority. Yeahs it's kind of why any time any video game has a hint of a gay or lady protagonist the majority of gamers freak the gently caress out and act like the biggest reactionary babies.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Yeahs it's kind of why any time any video game has a hint of a gay or lady protagonist the majority of gamers freak the gently caress out and act like the biggest reactionary babies. Nah, it's just that the people who get mad at that stuff are super vocal.
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Race Realists posted:they're losers and they want to make everyone else's life a living hell because of it. Becoming a reactionary, especally at a young age, is nihilism in it's darkest form. It's looking at the broken state of the world and your life and responding with "well, I can't imagine anything getting better. better make it worse for more people"
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Guy Goodbody posted:Nah, it's just that the people who get mad at that stuff are super vocal. You are delusional if you think this.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:You are delusional if you think this. games with female protagonists and gay romance options still sell super well. The screeching pepe gamefaqs commentators are not the massive demographic you might think.
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Hey whatever you need to tell yourself to feel good bout VIDYAGAMES
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Video games are not a niche subgenre, they are a huge industry, rivaling movies. The consumers of video games are standard people, not alt-right 4channers. "Gamer" is not actually a niche subculture. the Mass Effect series didn't drop off in sales after it introduced gay romance options. Tomb Raider games sold better after they changed Lara Croft to have smaller boobs and wear pants. Farcry 5 will sell better than Senran Kagura Peach Beach Splash Video games are firmly in the realm of normies
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Guy Goodbody posted:games with female protagonists and gay romance options still sell super well. The screeching pepe gamefaqs commentators are not the massive demographic you might think. Yeah as you said games are in the realm of normies Guy Goodbody posted:Video games are not a niche subgenre, they are a huge industry, rivaling movies. The consumers of video games are standard people, not alt-right 4channers. "Gamer" is not actually a niche subculture. "Gamers" don't consider themselves normies. Do you see where I'm going with this
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