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The_Rob posted:Romans matches all seem very planned out to an insane degree. I agree Randy Savage was bad
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Jul 3, 2017 10:07
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MassRafTer posted:AJ thinks the Earth is flat this is actually extremely cool
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Jul 3, 2017 11:08
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AJ does not think the Earth is flat He's just askin' questions, people. 
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Jul 3, 2017 11:48
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Seth-HHH was one of the worst matches at WM and the build loving sucked
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DoctorGonzo posted:Roman-HHH was one of the worst matches at WM and the build loving sucked
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Jackie D posted:Sting-HHH was one of the worst matches at WM and the build loving sucked
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hot take: triple h is actually bad
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:hot take: triple h is actually bad can't believe it. goons loved triple h so much a couple years ago. hopefully he gets another world title reign to show what he could do without vince holding him back. smh burying the most popular nxt talent ever.
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MassRafTer posted:CM Punk was sloppy and got gassed and it didn't stop him from having great matches. Seth Rollins has been painfully average for the last year, Roman has definitely been better than him. Ric Flair did less moves than Roman and AJ thinks the Earth is flat and jerks off to Trump while Roman is a good dad and friend to all man. You know what, I'll bite even though I know there's 0% chance of me getting a non-ironic answer: why do you think Roman Reigns is a legitimate great wrestler? You, not Meltzer or whatever. I think he's a perfectly OK dude that has had the benefit of instant heat from being always in the title contendership and the chance to work with some amazing talent. The issue isn't that his moveset is limited, is that it's uninteresting, his power offense looks like a struggle, his brawling is limited to superman punches and the drive-by. His spear is a good finisher but it's also overplayed, so he doesn't even get the Stunner/RKO boost there. He's booked to be at the same time this unbeatable monster and the full-of-heart babyface. There's no drama in Roman matches, he takes extended heat, makes the comeback a la Cena and either gets screwed or hits a spear. Outside of the ring, dude is not a good promo, and WWE has built his character up to be as generic as possible. LIke, I don't think he's horrible or unsalvageable, but what is the FIRE psychology Roman brings to the table, what is the unique personality and character work, what's the technical element?
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Dias posted:You know what, I'll bite even though I know there's 0% chance of me getting a non-ironic answer: why do you think Roman Reigns is a legitimate great wrestler? You, not Meltzer or whatever. I think he's a perfectly OK dude that has had the benefit of instant heat from being always in the title contendership and the chance to work with some amazing talent. The issue isn't that his moveset is limited, is that it's uninteresting, his power offense looks like a struggle, his brawling is limited to superman punches and the drive-by. His spear is a good finisher but it's also overplayed, so he doesn't even get the Stunner/RKO boost there. He's booked to be at the same time this unbeatable monster and the full-of-heart babyface. There's no drama in Roman matches, he takes extended heat, makes the comeback a la Cena and either gets screwed or hits a spear. Outside of the ring, dude is not a good promo, and WWE has built his character up to be as generic as possible. LIke, I don't think he's horrible or unsalvageable, but what is the FIRE psychology Roman brings to the table, what is the unique personality and character work, what's the technical element? Roman Reigns is the only wrestler to have an unironically good singles match with Suplex City Lesnar that didn't rely on being extremely short. I am regularly entertained by his matches, and his expressions are extremely good. I haven't seen an expression of babyface hope like when he finally staggered Lesnar in my entire time as a wrestling fan. Roman is a wrestler I can actually buy into the emotions he expresses on TV, unlike more or less anyone on the roster. And since goons hated Roman around WM31 as a human being, I also sympathize with a human being held to an impossibly high standard. Roman says something goons dislike about wrestling? loving DOUCHE. Seth cheats on his fiancee with a Nazi (who he absolutely adores)? Love Seth even more (while claiming they think Nazis are bad and should not be around WWE, so don't claim it doesn't count because it isn't wrestling-related).
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Jul 3, 2017 12:54
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roman reigns is great and if you disagree then you can get the heck out of his yard
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John Dudebro posted:roman reigns is great and if you disagree then you can get the heck out of his yard This too. The yard thing is the kind of 'meant to sound cool but is also dumb' that I love in wrestling.
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Reigns is an okay wrestler that can work to his opponent's level, but apart from his look he's terrible in every other aspect. That's my hot take. My favourite Reigns moment came from a live RAW I went to, it was when Rollins got injured and they arranged a tournament for the title. HHH opened with a twenty minute promo with Reigns. My friend that I went with asked if Reigns was related to the Rock. I said yes. He then asked if he was charismatic like the Rock. He answered his own question after Reigns had one sentence in the twenty minutes, and he stumbled over the first words.
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Just lol when HHH beats Kurt at next years WM. Also Roman is a competent wrestler with a bad moveset and atrocious writing and his mic skills are bad Seth nazi girlfriend doesnt have to do with anything Seth the wrestler does or did, you loving morons. She is really cool, has nice tatoos and was victim of a online lynch mob. VERY UNFAIR! DoctorGonzo fucked around with this message at 13:22 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Roman Reigns is the only wrestler to have an unironically good singles match with Suplex City Lesnar that didn't rely on being extremely short. I am regularly entertained by his matches, and his expressions are extremely good. I haven't seen an expression of babyface hope like when he finally staggered Lesnar in my entire time as a wrestling fan. Roman is a wrestler I can actually buy into the emotions he expresses on TV, unlike more or less anyone on the roster. Are you real?
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Hey, the build to Sting-HHH was alright! But then bafflingly the match was completely different from the story they'd told up to that point. Dias posted:You know what, I'll bite even though I know there's 0% chance of me getting a non-ironic answer: why do you think Roman Reigns is a legitimate great wrestler? You, not Meltzer or whatever. I think he's a perfectly OK dude that has had the benefit of instant heat from being always in the title contendership and the chance to work with some amazing talent. The issue isn't that his moveset is limited, is that it's uninteresting, his power offense looks like a struggle, his brawling is limited to superman punches and the drive-by. His spear is a good finisher but it's also overplayed, so he doesn't even get the Stunner/RKO boost there. He's booked to be at the same time this unbeatable monster and the full-of-heart babyface. There's no drama in Roman matches, he takes extended heat, makes the comeback a la Cena and either gets screwed or hits a spear. Outside of the ring, dude is not a good promo, and WWE has built his character up to be as generic as possible. LIke, I don't think he's horrible or unsalvageable, but what is the FIRE psychology Roman brings to the table, what is the unique personality and character work, what's the technical element? He has good pacing, and knows how to make drama in matches. He's not amazing, but he's had way too many matches I've enjoyed to claim I don't like his in-ring work. Someone earlier said that he's rarely going to elevate opponents, but he can hold his own end of the bargain against the best. I would like a more varied moveset, and gently caress the spear as his finisher, but he is a good wrestler.
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DoctorGonzo posted:Just lol when HHH beats Kurt at next years WM. Gonzo, I have no issue with you. If you feel that way, then it's fine for you not to judge Seth. If you did judge her and call for punishment for her (such as being fired) and still clamored to support Seth being pushed even harder as a result, that is VERY UNFAIR and something I have an issue with.
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Gonzo, I have no issue with you. If you feel that way, then it's fine for you not to judge Seth. If you did judge her and call for punishment for her (such as being fired) and still clamored to support Seth being pushed even harder as a result, that is VERY UNFAIR and something I have an issue with. I did not judge her and it was VERY SAD that he lost her job because a bunch of loving idiots complained about it.
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Big Coffin Hunter posted:hot take: triple h is actually bad Hell agreed
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Blooming Brilliant posted:I mean, anyone involved with Katie Vick has a cap on how good they can be. God-tier like Kane?
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WadeBartender posted:I agree Randy Savage was bad The difference being that it wasn't the company planning out savages matches, and Macho Man having the most charisma to ever exist in a human being. Honestly my big problem with Roman is that he doesn't have an in ring personality. He just have very generic offense and has no real cohesion when streaming it all together. He's does a lot strikes where they don't look strong or painful in the slightest. His power moves aren't impressive, if he dives he almost clips the top rope almost every time. He's not that technical he really is just kind of bland in ring. His actually story telling is fine but I wouldn't watch one of his matches over anyone else. He's just kind of bland in ring wise.
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you best stay out of the big dogs yard, or you'll face the consequences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySS9xXEPD2g
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I think Toma Tonga should just be Roman instead.
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I hope Goldust lands his golden globes on R-Truth's face at Great Ballz of Fire.
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Dias posted:You know what, I'll bite even though I know there's 0% chance of me getting a non-ironic answer: why do you think Roman Reigns is a legitimate great wrestler? You, not Meltzer or whatever. I think he's a perfectly OK dude that has had the benefit of instant heat from being always in the title contendership and the chance to work with some amazing talent. The issue isn't that his moveset is limited, is that it's uninteresting, his power offense looks like a struggle, his brawling is limited to superman punches and the drive-by. His spear is a good finisher but it's also overplayed, so he doesn't even get the Stunner/RKO boost there. He's booked to be at the same time this unbeatable monster and the full-of-heart babyface. There's no drama in Roman matches, he takes extended heat, makes the comeback a la Cena and either gets screwed or hits a spear. Outside of the ring, dude is not a good promo, and WWE has built his character up to be as generic as possible. LIke, I don't think he's horrible or unsalvageable, but what is the FIRE psychology Roman brings to the table, what is the unique personality and character work, what's the technical element? He has great timing, absolutely fantastic timing mainly. WWE matches are pretty structured these days due to the style and agenting so one of the big things a wrestler can bring to them is timing. Roman knows exactly when to hit his spots and transition and that's part of why his big spots get big reactions so often even from a crowd booing him. He also does little things like knowing when to fight back and get hope spots in. He has a lot of physical charisma so that helps sell his strikes and such.
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Roman is a good heel shoe horned into a dogshit baby face role
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Lesnar's best matches since his comeback were absolutely Cena (especially the XR match), Reigns, and the Summerslam/HIAC Taker matches. IDK if anything comes close to those, though the Goldberg matches were fun spectacles. The HHH and Rollins matches were notoriously awful.
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I loving roll my eyes whenever anyone calls Reigns/Lesnar a remarkable match. Roman literally did nothing in that match. He hit Lesnar against a ringpost and then hit his spots. That was loving it.
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MassRafTer posted:He has great timing, absolutely fantastic timing mainly. WWE matches are pretty structured these days due to the style and agenting so one of the big things a wrestler can bring to them is timing. Roman knows exactly when to hit his spots and transition and that's part of why his big spots get big reactions so often even from a crowd booing him. He also does little things like knowing when to fight back and get hope spots in. He has a lot of physical charisma so that helps sell his strikes and such. I'll agree with you that his timing is REAL good, it's basically what makes his good matches (and why he was so good in the Shield). I still feel his psychology and offense leave quite a bit to be desired compared to a lot of other faces, and at the end of the day I agree with this: Tomahawk posted:Roman is a good heel shoe horned into a dogshit baby face role It's kinda hard to buy Roman's hope spots when he's both an rear end in a top hat (not the performer, the character) and pretty much unbeatable in a straight-up fight. His great timing would be better served if he was cutting down babyface comebacks, since as you noted he can sell strikes pretty well. It's why I don't think he's great: a lot of it has to do with poo poo WWE booking but in my opinion Roman as a face wrestles like the worst eras of Cena - and maybe he'll get REAL good like Cena did, but as of right now I don't think he's good enough/has enough of a pull to make up for all that.
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Yeah I mean if you liked Roman/Lesnar, cool, I liked it too but please acknowledge it was a total carry job by Lesnar that is significantly aided by the cash in. Also please don't pretend Roman got something out of Lesnar that say, Seth or Dean or Randy just couldn't.
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VJeff posted:Yeah I mean if you liked Roman/Lesnar, cool, I liked it too but please acknowledge it was a total carry job by Lesnar that is significantly aided by the cash in. dean tried, remember
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VJeff posted:Yeah I mean if you liked Roman/Lesnar, cool, I liked it too but please acknowledge it was a total carry job by Lesnar that is significantly aided by the cash in. I guess Seth, Dean, HHH and Randy were just too bad for Lesnar to do his Bret/Coked-Out-Davey-Boy carry job on them.
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Roman reigns laughed at the suplexes. Do you understand how strange that is? He LAUGHED at those suplexes. What are we to make of this? He got suplexed and then we noticed he was SMILING and LAUGHING about it. Why? Why would he do that?
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