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tarbrush posted:There's also plenty of left-wingers (me) who perceive him being wierdly tolerant of places like Venezuela, Cuba, Russia etc and wierdly tolerant of anti semites on the hard left. Combined with his earlier crappy performance at pmqs, you could question his judgement in general. 
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"weirdly tolerant of Cuba" what does that mean
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It's because Cuba, Russia, Venezuela are undemocratic  Nevermind that Russia and Venezuela have democratic elections and that Saudi Arabia is a much bigger threat to democracy than any of them. Also lol if you're a left-winger and have any sort of respect for undemocratic Israel.
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https://twitter.com/astroehlein/status/881429632905601024 theresa theresa you know you're not in a position of power here right YOU have to negotiate with THEM
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tarbrush posted:There's also plenty of left-wingers (me) who perceive him being wierdly tolerant of places like ... Cuba ... 
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R. Mute posted:It's also worth noting that old social democratic parties in Europe are all incredibly rigid and hierarchical. Labour had gotten used to the way things went in the previous decades, everyone knew the rules and what to expect. There were turns and orders and steps to take. Most of Corbyn's career has been spent on the sidelines of the Labour party, a corner that was just roundly ignored. See the Blair quote about him during the nineties. What Corbyn essentially did by appealing to the membership was cut in line and mess up a lot of plans. Not only did he prevent the Next In Line from getting a shot at the big leagues, he also rendered the whole old process of getting ahead within the party useless - all those influential party members, kingmakers, etc felt the power slip from their fingers. Can't stress this enough, there are tonnes of people in the party hierarchy who now cannot start or advance their planned careers because of the new power of the left, and they are *pissed off*
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it would be super easy for them to wholesale embrace leftism and get in on the ground floor and actually have better career prospects than before, but it turns out their one committed principle that they won't ever compromise is hostility to the left
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DAD LOST MY IPOD posted:it would be super easy for them to wholesale embrace leftism and get in on the ground floor and actually have better career prospects than before, but it turns out their one committed principle that they won't ever compromise is hostility to the left Problem is they now need to be likeable and at least appear passably human. Not that easy to a lot of them. With bland centrism/neoliberalism that was not a requirement.
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Jul 3, 2017 19:28
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corbyn good, but venezuela and russia bad imo
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Chavez at least tried to do some good things with his petrodollars and won heavily monitored elections. Maduro just sucks and so does Putin (granted even authoritarian populists are more democratic than KSA)
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Kurtofan posted:corbyn good, but venezuela and russia bad imo *keeps eye on left-o-meter*
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Jul 3, 2017 19:44
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Cuba has better housing and healthcare coverage than its nearest neighbour the USA, so
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R. Mute posted:It's also worth noting that old social democratic parties in Europe are all incredibly rigid and hierarchical. Labour had gotten used to the way things went in the previous decades, everyone knew the rules and what to expect. There were turns and orders and steps to take. Most of Corbyn's career has been spent on the sidelines of the Labour party, a corner that was just roundly ignored. See the Blair quote about him during the nineties. What Corbyn essentially did by appealing to the membership was cut in line and mess up a lot of plans. Not only did he prevent the Next In Line from getting a shot at the big leagues, he also rendered the whole old process of getting ahead within the party useless - all those influential party members, kingmakers, etc felt the power slip from their fingers. That does a lot to explain exactly why people are flipping the gently caress out at Corbyn, but are all too cowardly to explicitly say why. Thanks.
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R. Mute posted:what about cuba tho? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSRVtlTwFs8 Need I say more
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Top City Homo posted:"weirdly tolerant of Cuba" youre supposed to hate cuba, otherwise youre not a true patriot
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Dreylad posted:That does a lot to explain exactly why people are flipping the gently caress out at Corbyn, but are all too cowardly to explicitly say why. Thanks.
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Careerists have no business in politics.
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R. Mute posted:It's also worth noting that old social democratic parties in Europe are all incredibly rigid and hierarchical. Labour had gotten used to the way things went in the previous decades, everyone knew the rules and what to expect. There were turns and orders and steps to take. Most of Corbyn's career has been spent on the sidelines of the Labour party, a corner that was just roundly ignored. See the Blair quote about him during the nineties. What Corbyn essentially did by appealing to the membership was cut in line and mess up a lot of plans. Not only did he prevent the Next In Line from getting a shot at the big leagues, he also rendered the whole old process of getting ahead within the party useless - all those influential party members, kingmakers, etc felt the power slip from their fingers. Thanks for clarifying, I didn't realize he upset the applecart in that way
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Vox Nihili posted:youre supposed to hate cuba, otherwise youre not a true patriot so should i instead support the mafia state of Batista or something trying to get my ducks up in a row
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I didnt like corbyn because I thought he was going to get creamed in the election.
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Top City Homo posted:so should i instead support the mafia state of Batista or something It may be difficult to support a government that hasn't existed for 60 years
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Communism is the most murderous ideology in human history.
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"the cuban government does questionable things that are worthy of criticism" "ah I see you support the brutal settlement policies of Fernando II de Aragon"
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hakimashou posted:Communism is the most murderous ideology in human history. actually your thinking of capitalism, hth
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hakimashou posted:Communism is the most murderous ideology in human history. No, that's probably fascism or any pre-modern imperial ideology.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:41
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we must put an end to nomadic horse raiding, which has taken the lives of so many
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Vox Nihili posted:we must put an end to nomadic horse raiding, which has taken the lives of so many Well Genghis did kill 40 million people, that puts modern dictators' body counts to shame, especially if you take it per capita of world population.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Well Genghis did kill 40 million people, that puts modern dictators' body counts to shame, especially if you take it per capita of world population. Fascism & Japanese militarism is at least responsible for 70 million deaths between 1933-1945 which I think is the time trial world record.
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Frijolero posted:Nevermind that Russia and Venezuela have democratic elections Venezuelans would disagree with you about this at the moment.
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capitalism's about to murder the world and peeps still trying to pretend communism's the most murderous ideology
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Condiv posted:capitalism's about to murder the world and peeps still trying to pretend communism's the most murderous ideology Maduro's bunch ain't communists
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There is no moral difference between being a neo-nazi and a communist in TYOOL 2017. The hammer and sickle is no less a symbol of genocide and hate than the swastika. Both are exactly as despicable. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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hakimashou posted:There is no moral difference between being a neo-nazi and a communist in TYOOL 2017. Galaxy brain meme
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Well considered opinions from the guy with the fasces icon.
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If you're including Cuba in communism, which I assume since there's no other reason for us to be talking about it, then no it's not as bad as neo-nazis.
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hakimashou posted:Communism is the most murderous ideology in human history. hakimashou posted:There is no moral difference between being a neo-nazi and a communist in TYOOL 2017. r u srs m8
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Corbyn's proposals to adequately fund public services is not communism.
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Irony Be My Shield posted:Corbyn's proposals to adequately fund public services is not communism. it's corbienism
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I like to think that the purges and the gulags and all that weren't a product of Stalin's megalomaniac paranoia or an inevitable inbuilt consequence of socialism in one country or any of that poo poo, but actually happened because everybody just got frustrated with having to explain socialism to absolute morons and decided to round them up.
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TomViolence posted:I like to think that the purges and the gulags and all that weren't a product of Stalin's megalomaniac paranoia or an inevitable inbuilt consequence of socialism in one country or any of that poo poo, but actually happened because everybody just got frustrated with having to explain socialism to absolute morons and decided to round them up. Stalin also ruled Russia for 30 years, and a lot of the higher estimates count Russians who died to Nazi invasion as literal Stalin victims Granted, the lower estimates by Grover Furr et al. are dumb too
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