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paragon1 posted:Did I seriously just read multiple people stating the Republicans and Democrats are the same? Did I fall through a time warp to 1995 without realizing? Not the same. They just both don't pass over minimum standards of tolerable suck.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Not the same. They just both don't pass over minimum standards of tolerable suck. And Gary Johnson, failed Republican, somehow does? That's hilarious
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Jul 3, 2017 21:15
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paragon1 posted:And Gary Johnson, failed Republican, somehow does? No, he also sucks. Everyone sucked but Bernie this time around.
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Jul 3, 2017 21:16
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:Who are you referring to because I'm not a parachute homie That's exactly what Avshalom's parachute would say.  Except with more highly improbable genitalia-related poetry
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Jul 3, 2017 21:17
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Jul 3, 2017 21:21
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FuriousxGeorge posted:No, he also sucks. Everyone sucked but Bernie this time around. Lol, you voted for a man who holds beliefs that are the antithesis of Bernie's because you were salty about Bernie. That's beautiful.
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Jul 3, 2017 21:24
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Crowsbeak posted:They banned Ashvalom? She said she was going to absorb the president with her vagina. The mods believed this to be a real and credible threat that could actually happen in real life, so she got perma'd.
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GreyjoyBastard posted:That's exactly what Avshalom's parachute would say. Man buying an account ten years back as a parachute would be a hella sweet move
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Jul 3, 2017 21:31
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paragon1 posted:Lol, you voted for a man who holds beliefs that are the antithesis of Bernie's because you were salty about Bernie. That's beautiful. Nope. Voted for libertarians multiple times before. They share many of my values, especially on foreign policy and ending the drug war. I've been over all of this like 100 times already so you can scroll up instead of saying the same poo poo over again if you want. I like Bernie because he is better than libertarians on things I agree with them on and he agrees with me where I disagree with them. I can't really say that for establishment dems. FuriousxGeorge fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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paragon1 posted:Did I seriously just read multiple people stating the Republicans and Democrats are the same? Did I fall through a time warp to 1995 without realizing? Ironically enough, in 94-96...   
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Nope. Voted for libertarians multiple times before. They share many of my values, especially on foreign policy and ending the drug war. I've been over all of this like 100 times already so you can scroll up instead of saying the same poo poo over again if you want. So this isn't sudden onset retardation
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Jul 3, 2017 21:35
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:So this isn't sudden onset retardation Nah, you've been like that for a while.
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Jul 3, 2017 21:37
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paragon1 posted:Did I seriously just read multiple people stating the Republicans and Democrats are the same? Did I fall through a time warp to 1995 without realizing? Some of them are arguing the democrats are worse, to be fair.
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Jul 3, 2017 21:39
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Nope. Voted for libertarians multiple times before. They share many of my values, especially on foreign policy and ending the drug war. Lol, those are the only two positions a sane person should agree with them on, and even then what they want and what a sane person would want are two completely different things, since libertarians also oppose regulating the drug trade in any matter and want to replace the military with private defense forces or some poo poo.
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Jizz Festival posted:Lol, those are the only two positions a sane person should agree with them on, and even then what they want and what a sane person would want are two completely different things, since libertarians also oppose regulating the drug trade in any matter and want to replace the military with private defense forces or some poo poo. Those were not policies Gary Johnson ran on. If we assume candidates are going to do the most extreme version of what their party wants we could have all happily voted for Hillary and gotten single payer.
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Libertarians care about the drug war in the same way that Republicans care about small government and state's rights.JeffersonClay posted:Some of them are arguing the democrats are worse, to be fair. Lol, of course.
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Those were not policies Gary Johnson ran on. If we assume candidates are going to do the most extreme version of what their party wants we could have all happily voted for Hillary and gotten single payer. If you think he ran on good coherent policies other than "legalize weed" I'd love to hear about them.
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Jul 3, 2017 22:07
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I'd particularly love to hear his plan to end all those deaths of Mexicans that you seem so concerned about as soon as someone accuses you of being a selfish idiot.
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Jul 3, 2017 22:08
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Jizz Festival posted:If you think he ran on good coherent policies other than "legalize weed" I'd love to hear about them. He also ran on knowing nothing about any other nation, which FuriousxGeorge said was his other major point of agreement.
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Jizz Festival posted:I'd particularly love to hear his plan to end all those deaths of Mexicans that you seem so concerned about as soon as someone accuses you of being a selfish idiot. The Mexican drug war is driven by American demand for illegal drugs. When you allow legal distribution instead of a black market you have a market you can tax that is regulated by government and police instead of by organized crime. This will reduce the amount of violence associated with the drug trade.
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Jul 3, 2017 22:24
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FuriousxGeorge posted:No, he also sucks. Everyone sucked but Bernie this time around. fact check: Bernie sucked too
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FuriousxGeorge posted:The Mexican drug war is driven by American demand for illegal drugs. When you allow legal distribution instead of a black market you have a market you can tax that is regulated by government and police instead of by organized crime. This will reduce the amount of violence associated with the drug trade. Gary Johnson was only explicitly for legalizing weed, his views on "hard" drugs were much hazier, involving "harm reduction" and prescriptions and stuff. Like I'd say that's a step in the right direction but he had no coherent plan for actually ending the drug war.
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paragon1 posted:Did I seriously just read multiple people stating the Republicans and Democrats are the same? Did I fall through a time warp to 1995 without realizing? https://twitter.com/Hadas_Gold/status/881551179259539456
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Jizz Festival posted:Gary Johnson was only explicitly for legalizing weed, his views on "hard" drugs were much hazier, involving "harm reduction" and prescriptions and stuff. Like I'd say that's a step in the right direction but he had no coherent plan for actually ending the drug war. Well yeah, like I was saying, he was attempting to run as a moderate libertarian. This is one of those areas where I would have preferred a more extreme position. However, marijuana is a major cash crop for the cartels in Mexico. You can hit them pretty hard just with pot legalization. The hope is people see that legal pot isn't the end of the world and maybe change their attitudes about how best to handle the harder drugs. Pragmatic incrementalism, yay! Another hope is that people just use pot and stay off the harder drugs which could limit the demand for opiates as an alternative source of profit for the cartels. quote:The researchers, led by Marcus Bachhuber, then at the Philadelphia Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Pennsylvania, examined death certificates in all 50 states between 1999 and 2010. They found that the annual rate of deaths due to overdose on an opioid painkiller was nearly 25% lower in states that permitted medical marijuana. In 2010, that translated into 1729 fewer deaths in those states. The researchers also found that the effect grew stronger in the 5 to 6 years after the states approved medical marijuana. http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/11/could-pot-help-solve-us-opioid-epidemic
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aren't libertarians just into letting the states themselves decide whether to legalize or not so theoretically a death sentence for a bit of weed would be fine as long as it's state law and not federal
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Barbe Rouge posted:aren't libertarians just into letting the states themselves decide whether to legalize or not State and local governments should be able to determine that. Just like we let them regulate or even prohibit alcohol sales. The federal anti-pot laws still need to be repealed though, or nothing the states do matters if someone like Jeff Sessions has his way. e: Not death penalty I mean, lol. That should be banned for any crime because it's cruel and unusual punishment regardless of method of execution. FuriousxGeorge fucked around with this message at 23:02 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Jul 3, 2017 22:54
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JeffersonClay posted:Some of them are arguing the democrats are worse, to be fair. To be fair at least Republicans can win elections
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Barbe Rouge posted:aren't libertarians just into letting the states themselves decide whether to legalize or not Also states are already doing this for themselves
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FuriousxGeorge posted:State and local governments should be able to determine that. Just like we let them regulate or even prohibit alcohol sales. The federal anti-pot laws still need to be repealed though, or nothing the states do matters if someone like Jeff Sessions has his way. This is a dead giveaway that all the moral posturing is a screen, you only give a poo poo about being able to buy pot for yourself, and don't give a poo poo about all that stuff about freedom for all and saving lives abroad etc.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:03
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Once again, potheads and their willingness to sacrifice everything and everybody in exchange for something as petty as an easier access to their vice are the worst.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:05
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steinrokkan posted:This is a dead giveaway that all the moral posturing is a screen, you only give a poo poo about being able to buy pot for yourself, and don't give a poo poo about all that stuff about freedom for all and saving lives abroad etc. haha, what? "Treat pot the way we treat alcohol." is an unserious position on the issue? By that standard like every pro-pot lobbying group in the country is unserious.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:08
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NewForumSoftware posted:To be fair at least Republicans can win elections I'm worried that the Democrats will become complacent with Republican leadership since their corporate overlords are happy and they can just go "OH I'M SO CONCERNED WITH THOSE EVIL REPUBLICANS" and do absolutely nothing to help That's why the progressive movement is needed now - get the incumbent Dems scared that they'll lose their seats to people who will actually get poo poo done
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FuriousxGeorge posted:haha, what? "Treat pot the way we treat alcohol." is an unserious position on the issue? By that standard like every pro-pot lobbying group in the country is unserious. A states rights approach to this poo poo isn't going to do anything to help any of those human concerns you have trumped up itt, it's a privileged position that transparently only serves white constituencies.
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steinrokkan posted:A states rights approach to this poo poo isn't going to do anything to help any of those human concerns you have trumped up itt, it's a privileged position that transparently only serves white constituencies. So how was it exactly that ending prohibition of alcohol stopped so much violence associated with selling alcohol when it was done using an approach that respected state and local rights? I mean, is Atlantic City's biggest crime problem still bootlegged alcohol because Ocean City, NJ is dry? FuriousxGeorge fucked around with this message at 23:22 on Jul 3, 2017 |
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Jul 3, 2017 23:14
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Just want to quote this because it's the same argument I've been making against third way/new democrats.
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Jul 3, 2017 23:24
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paragon1 posted:Is this supposed to mean something, or are you just having some kind of weird fit? The Senate minority leader is partying with the enemy
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Jul 3, 2017 23:45
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JeffersonClay posted:Some of them are arguing the democrats are worse, to be fair. Lead by the likes of you? Yes.
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EugeneJ posted:The Senate minority leader is partying with the enemy have you considered he might also be the enemy
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EugeneJ posted:The Senate minority leader is partying with the enemy sometimes they play softball together too.
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