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Freak Futanari posted:Okay, look. Let me try to demonstrate what i mean with an example. How often were you actually able to execute 11 GCDs in a row on a target in "old PVP" and how much of this is theorycraft?
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Fortuitous Bumble posted:I never understood why people cared that much about tank threat in low level dungeons. It's usually not a big deal if the DPS or healer ends up tanking a loose mob unless it happens during a big pull The question is not whether it actually matters, it's whether it feels like it matters, and it does. Some starry-eyed newbie who wants to tank is gonna be a little miffed if they're told "nah, don't worry about it for another fifteen or twenty levels."
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Jul 4, 2017 16:03
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Verranicus posted:Glad I got the Garo mount from Frontlines while queues were still instant, I guess. it's still better and more entertaining than potd, so I'm sure queue will stay fast. feast queues for 8v8 were mostly instant in my experience, even when it gave much worse exp. pvp fun too.
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Fister Roboto posted:I prefer the new pvp system because it lets me focus more on situational awareness and tactical decisions. Ever since i broke both my legs, i have not had to chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. I can now focus entirely on chewing bubble gum
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Jul 4, 2017 16:04
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World War Mammories posted:The question is not whether it actually matters, it's whether it feels like it matters, and it does. Some starry-eyed newbie who wants to tank is gonna be a little miffed if they're told "nah, don't worry about it for another fifteen or twenty levels." yeah this
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World War Mammories posted:The question is not whether it actually matters, it's whether it feels like it matters, and it does. Some starry-eyed newbie who wants to tank is gonna be a little miffed if they're told "nah, don't worry about it for another fifteen or twenty levels." I was going to type something but this poster said it better.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:06
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Freak Futanari posted:Ever since i broke both my legs, i have not had to chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. I can now focus entirely on chewing bubble gum Focusing on rotations in 72 man fuckfests is dumb as poo poo.
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Freak Futanari posted:Ever since i broke both my legs, i have not had to chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. I can now focus entirely on chewing bubble gum imo in order to pvp you should have to type all your actions as commands.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:08
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World War Mammories posted:The question is not whether it actually matters, it's whether it feels like it matters, and it does. Some starry-eyed newbie who wants to tank is gonna be a little miffed if they're told "nah, don't worry about it for another fifteen or twenty levels." This is pretty much why it needed to be changed. As a sprout tank, looking over and seeing threat meters at a good level, even against level synched DPS is a good feeling and will make people actually want to main those classes without worrying about every dungeon run being a white knuckle fight to keep agro.
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SKULL.GIF posted:How often were you actually able to execute 11 GCDs in a row on a target in "old PVP" and how much of this is theorycraft? There's a difference between doing 11 GCDs in a row, in the PvE sense of "no downtime between each GCD" and 11 GCDs in a row as in "you don't drop your MNK stance in between each attack". I don't see how people have such a hard time grasping that PvP simply plays differently than PvE, but i guess it would explain a lot if people keep trying to play it as a regular PvE fight pray for my aunt posted:Focusing on rotations in 72 man fuckfests is dumb as poo poo. Which is why it's a good thing that rotations were never a focus in PvP. It's not like PvE where you gotta do the perfect sick deeps opener and then cross-check your skill speed with the Wikipedia page for Optimal Rotations For The Dragoon or whatever. In PvP your combos were about which effects would be more useful right now, instead of trying to keep all effects active at the same time
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SKULL.GIF posted:How often were you actually able to execute 11 GCDs in a row on a target in "old PVP" and how much of this is theorycraft? Getting 11 GCDs off on a target only ever happened against big ice in the 8v8v8 shatter, and even that's a stretch.
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Oxyclean posted:imo in order to pvp you should have to type all your actions as commands. Yoship Teaches Typing
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Jul 4, 2017 16:18
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Freak Futanari posted:Ever since i broke both my legs, i have not had to chew bubble gum and walk at the same time. I can now focus entirely on chewing bubble gum I don't normally have to press three dozen keys in the correct order just to walk like some kind of hellish QWOP man.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:18
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Oxyclean posted:imo in order to pvp you should have to type all your actions as commands. PvP should be replaced with RPvRP, and every attack should be carefully described with /em
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Jul 4, 2017 16:19
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Freak Futanari posted:PvP should be replaced with RPvRP, and every attack should be carefully described with /em Sounds vastly better than pre-SB PvP.
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The whole "complexity" thing in old PvP is dumb (and also entirely wrong) because a single healer could out heal and entire party's damage. All your stupid loving theorycrafting couldn't defeat my autohotkey macro that pushes "1" every 2.35 seconds.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:21
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Oxyclean posted:Whats the 60-68 AOE roation look like? I have been doing F3 -> Flare -> Transpose -> B4 (with enochian up) > T4 > F3 > Flare > Transpose, which I am pretty sure is optimal with enochian up as it gives your transpose time to regen and keeps the T4 ticks going. Insert more flares before transpose as you have convert, ether and or the trait available. Use any procced T4s. If you will have more than one flare you can drop the T4 out if it doesn't need a refresh and hasn't procced. You should Swiftcast the flare immediately before transpose when you have it up so that you can transpose earlier in the GCD. E: the B4 only matters if you have the trait that allows double flare with hearts, otherwise you can probably skip it
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Astroniomix posted:The whole "complexity" thing in old PvP is dumb (and also entirely wrong) because a single healer could out heal and entire party's damage. yeah but what if all that complexity and theorycrafting allows someone to feel like they have some arcane knowledge and are therefore better than "pubbies"
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Jul 4, 2017 16:22
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:yeah but what if all that complexity and theorycrafting allows someone to feel like they have some arcane knowledge and are therefore better than "pubbies" You mean this isn't the whole point of playing MMOs?
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World War Mammories posted:The question is not whether it actually matters, it's whether it feels like it matters, and it does. Some starry-eyed newbie who wants to tank is gonna be a little miffed if they're told "nah, don't worry about it for another fifteen or twenty levels." I think that the biggest thing that scares people away from tanking is thinking that even the slightest failure will result in a wipe. Knowing that your role isn't quite that critical, and that you can screw up sometimes and still recover, helps a lot in alleviating that fear.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:24
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WTF is up with these constant disconnects. Nothing else is having issues, just for FFXIV
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Zerilan posted:Sounds vastly better than pre-SB PvP. Well, if your roleplaying skills are as good as your posting skills, you'd still come in last place anyway
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some people liked pvp pre stormblood. hell, some people liked 1.0 that doesnt mean they didnt deserve to be wiped from the earth
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Minrad posted:some people liked pvp pre stormblood. hell, some people liked 1.0 Re-activate the coils. Bahamut's mission remains incomplete.
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Old PVP was bad
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Minrad posted:some people liked pvp pre stormblood. hell, some people liked 1.0 people who like new pvp should be shot
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Cao Ni Ma posted:WTF is up with these constant disconnects. Nothing else is having issues, just for FFXIV Tiny penile Ddos attacks.
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Something something glass houses something something Stone II
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After watching the documentary I have an appreciation for the people who played and liked 1.0 better even if they're still obviously wrong. All 15 of them. Their wallets helped keep SE floating while they started the process of building ARR The real dumb people are the ones who never played 1.0 but still think it's better. And the 2-3.x pvp preferrers Jinh fucked around with this message at 16:36 on Jul 4, 2017 |
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Freak Futanari posted:people who like new pvp should be shot I'm glad people like you seem to be in the minority and most seem to like the changes.
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People who like the new PvP should be shot 3 times and it should only require 1 button.
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There's something Incredible to me that even the OF knows that str tanking is the correct thing to do right now but fucknuts on Reddit are screaming up and down that full vit is better and those dirty str tanks are playing the game wrong and ruining tanking.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:38
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Aphrodite posted:People who like the new PvP should be shot 3 times and it should only require 1 button. I love MCH in PvP because of this. It's very cool and easy to stay in Matrix mode and shoot at mans. In fact, please remove turrets from PvE because they no longer fit the class fantasy.
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Did they actually add a bit of str to tank accessories like the patch notes sort of imply with the "stat changes to equipment" bit?
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Omega v3.0 is a super fun fight and even if the savage version is as brutal as Living Liquid pre-nerf I won't care because I'll be enjoying myself the whole time. Probably. Also Cid has picked up a tendency for making really bad puns.
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Freak Futanari posted:Well, if your roleplaying skills are as good as your posting skills, you'd still come in last place anyway i'm glad to see we've arrived at the "I know my opinion is unpopular, here are some tepid 'no u' burns" phase of the discussion 
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Jinh posted:Did they actually add a bit of str to tank accessories like the patch notes sort of imply with the "stat changes to equipment" bit? No, and I have no idea what they changed, if anything.
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Jul 4, 2017 16:48
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They raised all piety values by 1.
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:i'm glad to see we've arrived at the "I know my opinion is unpopular, here are some tepid 'no u' burns" phase of the discussion You mean the same phase most other people started at from the moment i dared try to explain why i disagreed with them?
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