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Jeb! Repetition posted:Lol I think women not wanting to gently caress a dude is gonna make him frustrated regardless of his entitlement issues. Cart before the horse mate, maybe no one wants to gently caress him because of his entitlement issues and the frustration is entirely his problem? Once you go down the alt-right rabbit hole you're making a conscious decision to make your issues everyone else's problem as well
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StashAugustine posted:Also a lot of it is just alienation in general; plus at this point ts hitting critical mass enough so that relatively well adjusted people who grew up generally conservative get exposed to it and the infection sets in Yeah that's a good point, I don't think it's just the sexual alienation, but that's probably the most major form that affected them. Crane Fist posted:Cart before the horse mate, maybe no one wants to gently caress him because of his entitlement issues and the frustration is entirely his problem? I'm talking about a few different people here and none of them really have entitlement issues I've seen. The main reasons no one (or barely anyone) hosed them were that they're physically unattractive or on the autism spectrum or home schooled. Again, "somebody must have entitlement issues because they're frustrated they can't do the thing their body wants them to do more than anything else" isn't very compelling to me. Also I don't even think entitlement necessary keeps people from getting laid, I mean Bill Clinton felt entitled to sex with every attractive woman he met and he still got it a lot, and most of it was consensual. And it wasn't a conscious decision to make their issues everyone else's problem because that of course wasn't how they consciously framed it. Subconscious, sure.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:And it wasn't a conscious decision to make their issues everyone else's problem because that of course wasn't how they consciously framed it. Subconscious, sure. Fair but I'm assuming they're not children and as such capable of taking responsibility for decisions they make like getting involved with a harassment-centred neo-nazi movement
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Crane Fist posted:Fair but I'm assuming they're not children and as such capable of taking responsibility for decisions they make like getting involved with a harassment-centred neo-nazi movement Well, voting for or donating to Trump is an unambiguously evil act with real consequences but I'm talking about before they did that.
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StashAugustine posted:Also a lot of it is just alienation in general; plus at this point ts hitting critical mass enough so that relatively well adjusted people who grew up generally conservative get exposed to it and the infection sets in
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Lol I think women not wanting to gently caress a dude is gonna make him frustrated regardless of his entitlement issues. That's just human nature. Like you can lament the fact that Google isn't putting fiber in your town while still acknowledging there's no reason for them to because your town has no commerce or people. And never ever did I say that women are the problem or that they have some moral obligation to charity gently caress these guys. Angela Nagle has copped to this problem several times in her interviews. You can say all you want that women shouldn't have to gently caress these guys, and while that's true it also doesn't make the problem of sexual frustration go away. Far as I can tell, the only real solution is an intervention in radical socialization so these guys can figure out how not to be socially retarded and become sexually suitable - but that's going to be way down on the list from anybody's political priority. These guys know that they're screwed by a society that burdens the individual with excessive responsibilities, especially on the socially stunted - but rather than forming a revolutionary ideology they're more ready to embrace a culture of violence so they can force people to find them suitable. Then again, they're not really capable of systemic violence either. It's sexual-social impotence all around.
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Its a mistake to view people who migrate to the alt-right as purely malicious (over entitled, etc.), because your under estimating these groups by doing that. Movements like this are actually capable of grabbing large parts of the population, when social conditions permit. You need a better explanation than 'well they're just weirdos'. Its an almost conservative view of society, where broad social trends are the result if stereotypical characters (the unwashed hippie, etc) rather than social factors. In this case, I'd put money down on it being that young men are facing a conflict between the idealized masculinity society has, versus what they're actually able to do - career/employment/breafwinner being a big one. This leads to a performative over-compensation, as well as projected self-hate and anger onto perceived sources, real or imagined. Reactionary politics always seems to start with sexuality.
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Uncle Wemus posted:im the multiple halo books I'm the two copies of the same Cernovich book.
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I also feel like there's way too much focus on the sexual aspect of reactionary frustration. This is a way more serious antisocial issue where they're incapable of even making a loving connection with another human being because on the one hand - sincere love for another man is too gay to them, and on the other they can't even get a woman to go out with them. In many cases they're not even able to ask. Even being able to have a genuine non-sexual relationship with the opposite gender is inconceivable, and frankly our society cultivates that kind of adolescent socialization.
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Uncle Wemus posted:im the multiple halo books I'm the Ikea shelving.
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Right wing politics in general encultures & excuses anti-social attitudes, so that's not new.
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rudatron posted:Right wing politics in general encultures & excuses anti-social attitudes, so that's not new. What I'm saying is that our culture is right wing, and inculcates those values from an early age.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I also feel like there's way too much focus on the sexual aspect of reactionary frustration. This is a way more serious antisocial issue where they're incapable of even making a loving connection with another human being because on the one hand - sincere love for another man is too gay to them, and on the other they can't even get a woman to go out with them. In many cases they're not even able to ask. Even being able to have a genuine non-sexual relationship with the opposite gender is inconceivable, and frankly our society cultivates that kind of adolescent socialization. Yep, and again in the case of my friends, the more extreme they are in the alt-right stuff the more true this is in them.
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I'd say it's also a backlash to an inquisitory style of social justice politics, which seems dustbinned now in the Age of Trump. I don't mean to dismiss racial or gender politics, more the futzy and shallow way it was articulated. I remember when the big subject among some of my left-wing friends was Iggy Azalea, which frankly reminds me of the Christian Right fretting over Marilyn Manson. There was also some twerking in a Taylor Swift video OMG it's cultural appropriation... In retrospect this was the sign of a collapsing regime, and the rot really set in when it started being exploited by digital media companies. I read an interview with Tim Gionet (Baked Alaska) who originally went to work for Buzzfeed as a social media manager and to make lifestyle and food videos, then the editorial direction shifted to doing white privilege videos. So, the only explanation for that is that it was a business decision aimed at building traffic, as this stuff was going viral. Gionet then easily made the pivot to right-wing culture warrior after that gold mine was exhausted. BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 02:41 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Yep, and again in the case of my friends, the more extreme they are in the alt-right stuff the more true this is in them. Frustration and insecurity leads to fascism, so it's not surprising that your more hapless friend's are further down the rabbit hole. Might be time to cut the cord and move on to better friends.
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Being alt-right is also the ultimate gently caress-you to that kind of thing. I think a lot of the future alt-right recruits felt they were damned if they do / damned if they don't. Basically if you tell people they're privileged and bad because they're white males, but don't give them a way to resolve this bad thing, they will resolve it themselves by embracing their white privilege as a good thing or even as something unfairly denied them. It's the wrong answer and it isn't what they should do, but it's what they did. Well anyways I think the trend at the moment is this whole weird shebang trying to adjust to the reality of them being ... dominant, really. This whole identity-formulation developed as a reaction and now it doesn't seem quite sure what to do with itself. I'm pretty sure it's got a finite lifespan, too, and I have no idea what it will become or what the reaction *to* it will look like. I don't think it's running out of gas soon but it will eventually. rudatron posted:In this case, I'd put money down on it being that young men are facing a conflict between the idealized masculinity society has, versus what they're actually able to do - career/employment/breafwinner being a big one. This leads to a performative over-compensation, as well as projected self-hate and anger onto perceived sources, real or imagined. Reactionary politics always seems to start with sexuality.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I totally agree. I wonder whether it's possible to have an innocuous or non-toxic white-masculine identity or whether that's even possible. It seems possible to me? It's not easy to be a good person, I struggle with it every day, but it isn't hard to avoid being a complete piece of poo poo.
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Zeroisanumber posted:It's not easy to be a good person, I struggle with it every day, but it isn't hard to avoid being a complete piece of poo poo.
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I totally agree. I wonder whether it's possible to have an innocuous or non-toxic white-masculine identity or whether that's even possible. It seems possible to me? I mean, what does white-masculine identity mean in the current sense? The defining trait of being a white man is your inherent privilege in opposition to men of colour or non-men. If (generally) you work towards flattening out that privilege (which is undoubtedly a good thing), what's left of white-manhood? What's there to be proud of as a white man that isn't also an inheritance of white men generally loving things up for everyone else? The Narrator has issued a correction as of 02:56 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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The Narrator posted:I mean, what does white-masculine identity mean in the current sense? The defining trait of being a white man is your inherent privilege in opposition to men of colour or non-men. If (generally) you work towards flattening out that privilege (which is undoubtedly a good thing), what's left of white-manhood? 
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I read an interview with Tim Gionet (Baked Alaska) who originally went to work for Buzzfeed as a social media manager and to make lifestyle and food videos, then the editorial direction shifted to doing white privilege videos. So, the only explanation for that is that it was a business decision aimed at building traffic, as this stuff was going viral. Another possible explanation of this could be that baked Alaska is insane and his idea of 'white privilege videos' is anything that doesn't explicitly endorse blue lives matter Not saying it's not a trend, just holy poo poo consider your sources better some plague rats has issued a correction as of 03:04 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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The Narrator posted:What's there to be proud of as a white man that isn't also an inheritance of white men generally loving things up for everyone else? I mean maybe we could try and steer people towards being proud of things they've actually accomplished If you haven't accomplished anything you're proud of in your life consider making an investment in my new line of suicide booths
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Crane Fist posted:Another possible explanation of this could be that baked Alaska is insane and his idea of 'white privilege videos' is anything that doesn't explicitly endorse blue lives matter http://www.businessinsider.com/who-is-baked-alaska-milo-mike-cernovich-alt-right-trump-2017-4 The Narrator posted:I mean, what does white-masculine identity mean in the current sense? The defining trait of being a white man is your inherent privilege in opposition to men of colour or non-men. If (generally) you work towards flattening out that privilege (which is undoubtedly a good thing), what's left of white-manhood? quote:“For many in this movement, being American is part of a civilizational identity, not a set of ideas that anyone can buy into or share. There’s a strong civilization component to most Islamist groups as well — not like ISIS, but the mainstream Islamists who participate in politics. One thing you’ll find, regardless of the spectrum, is a strong sense of Islamic religious civilization. That’s different because the alt-right privileges ethnicity. They’re two very different approaches to civilization and identity, but the same basic idea of trying to draw clear lines between large groups of people based on whatever ideology they subscribe to.”
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Nah. I don't think he's insane, or that his radicalization process was like that - like he was a full-blown Blue Lives Matter pro-Trump guy right away. He became that over time, reacting to his environment, and apparently he has social anxiety and was teased by his co-workers and was told he "looked like a pedophile." That's not a healthy workplace. That's also not sourcing him but some of his former co-workers: I don't know if this article was meant to make him sound sympathetic but god drat what a dipshit Also he does absolutely look like a pedophile
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1. Someone said I can't say "spirit animal," that's kinda weird. 2. I like Donald Trump because he says whatever he wants to, I'm going to get a tattoo of his face on my arm. 3. [FOOTAGE NOT FOUND] 4. Women, Islam and the Jews are undermining our civilization
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The Narrator posted:I mean, what does white-masculine identity mean in the current sense? The defining trait of being a white man is your inherent privilege in opposition to men of colour or non-men. If (generally) you work towards flattening out that privilege (which is undoubtedly a good thing), what's left of white-manhood?
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:I'd say it's also a backlash to an inquisitory style of social justice politics, which seems dustbinned now in the Age of Trump. I don't mean to dismiss racial or gender politics, more the futzy and shallow way it was articulated. I remember when the big subject among some of my left-wing friends was Iggy Azalea, which frankly reminds me of the Christian Right fretting over Marilyn Manson. There was also some twerking in a Taylor Swift video OMG it's cultural appropriation... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWM2E9oHlhA
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Zeroisanumber posted:Frustration and insecurity leads to fascism, so it's not surprising that your more hapless friend's are further down the rabbit hole. I don't end friendships because of politics.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:I don't end friendships because of politics. Collaborator
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