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B | 77 | 25.50% | |
K | 160 | 52.98% | |
M | 65 | 21.52% | |
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So there's nothing a campaign can do PR-wise if anyone ever crashes one of their events? Nothing? All we can do is complain about it on the internet forever and ever? I disagree, I think having a good answer for the cameras will blunt any PR stunt, and is probably a better plan than hoping BLM somehow manages to shame every single black person in America into never speaking out of turn and also suppress all the Tea Party false flag attacks by undercover black Republicans. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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VitalSigns posted:So there's nothing a campaign can do PR-wise if anyone ever crashes one of their events? Nothing? Well...
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 09:38 |
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VitalSigns posted:So there's nothing a campaign can do PR-wise if anyone ever crashes one of their events? Nothing? imo, bernie did the best he could PR-wise. hillary and her media goons were literally trying to invent ways in which he was bad on race (for example, trying to attribute pictures of him at a march to bruce rappaport) and would've done so no matter what BLM did at this rally. personally i think the event was good for bernie and blm though as it brought the two closer together that any bernie bro would be upset about the event that brought bernie and blm closer together boggles my mind tbh
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 09:51 |
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Reformed Hillarymen like Majorian are ultimately a threat. Everyone likes to peddle this kumbayaa bullshit about how Trump pulled us all together, but the fact is that if it took 11/9 to get to that point, you are a risk. Case in point: how Hillarymen coo along with leftists on the high notes, but then start screeching ANYTHING BUT TULSI, and hey maybe these other establishment Dems aren't so bad, based on the same bullshit criteria that lead them to follow their failed abuela. These are the people that WILL torpedo a progressive during the primaries in 2020 using electability excuses.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 13:40 |
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Condiv posted:those op-eds were gonna attack bernie over something anyway. that's not what cost bernie the primary, dems rigging the primary is. hth I could have sworn it was him having less votes
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 13:48 |
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call to action posted:Reformed Hillarymen like Majorian are ultimately a threat. Everyone likes to peddle this kumbayaa bullshit about how Trump pulled us all together, but the fact is that if it took 11/9 to get to that point, you are a risk. I don't want Tulsi because shes a raging Islamophobe and racist who supports genocide, her leftist economic positions don't play into it.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 13:59 |
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My fears regarding Tulsi is that she's another Ellison or Obama. An attractive young outsider blank canvas that you can pin all your socialist hopes on, but who ends up being another centrist turd when it actually matters.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 14:25 |
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Digiwizzard posted:My fears regarding Tulsi is that she's another Ellison or Obama. An attractive young outsider blank canvas that you can pin all your socialist hopes on, but who ends up being another centrist turd when it actually matters. Isn't the fear that anyone who could get in the position of possibly being a Democratic president is like that
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 14:32 |
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https://agenda-blog.com/2017/07/03/primary-colors-on-democratic-presidential-politics-neoliberalism-and-the-white-working-class/quote:What happened on Election Night was, in a sense, unremarkable. The white working class, long a constituency at the very heart of American politics, simply found its way into the spotlight once again. Exit polls indicate, with about as much confidence as the entire enterprise of political polling can be held to indicate anything these days, that Donald Trump is President today because Hillary Clinton lost working class whites by an astounding margin. She was beaten by Trump among whites without college degrees by nearly 40 points. And, as the New York Times’ Nate Cohn has pointed out, she lost a significant amount of support from whites in this category who not only supported Obama, but likely comprised over a third of the coalition that brought him back to the White House in 2012. The rest of the piece is too long to quote here, but it goes in depth into the '72, '76, '80, '84 and '88 primaries
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 14:40 |
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call to action posted:Reformed Hillarymen like Majorian are ultimately a threat. Everyone likes to peddle this kumbayaa bullshit about how Trump pulled us all together, but the fact is that if it took 11/9 to get to that point, you are a risk. You are a regressive shitheel and a fake "ally" so I don't particularly care what you have to say, and you laughably trying to call out posters in this thread is loving sad. Go yuk it up with your buddies on r/the_donald.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 14:42 |
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WampaLord posted:You are a regressive shitheel and a fake "ally" so I don't particularly care what you have to say, and you laughably trying to call out posters in this thread is loving sad. Go yuk it up with your buddies on r/the_donald. Quote me something regressive I've said. I know it pains you, man, but not everyone that isn't a Hillaryman in 2017 posts on the_donald. Also I don't think I've ever said I'm an ally about anything? Glazier posted:I don't want Tulsi because shes a raging Islamophobe and racist who supports genocide, her leftist economic positions don't play into it. And yet supporting Clinton, who has a higher Muslim body count than Tulsi, isn't racist because...? Body count is important. Whenever somebody tries to say something stupid, like Trump is worse than Hitler, or Clinton is worse than Gabbard, always be very suspicious and check the body counts first. call to action fucked around with this message at 14:48 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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call to action posted:Quote me something regressive I've said. I know it pains you, man, but not everyone that isn't a Hillaryman in 2017 posts on the_donald. Also I don't think I've ever said I'm an ally about anything? Your rap sheet speaks for itself.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 14:51 |
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dont even fink about it posted:lol Sanders would have won if not for BLM causing him to lose harder than Hillary did in 2008 with a single protest. I'll never understand the handful of people that think this thread is bad but constantly monitor it for a chance to blow up an offhand statement and announce it in other threads WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://agenda-blog.com/2017/07/03/primary-colors-on-democratic-presidential-politics-neoliberalism-and-the-white-working-class/ I have to disagree with the article's conclusions, both because the level of information available today is much greater than 20 years ago, and because it makes a constantly-made error in assuming that everyone who voted were the only people that ever voted; that because Trump didn't have an enormouse base of blue collar workers meant that blue collar voters didnt act on economic issues, despite Hillary heavily underperforming among working class democrats.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 14:52 |
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call to action posted:Quote me something regressive I've said. I know it pains you, man, but not everyone that isn't a Hillaryman in 2017 posts on the_donald. Also I don't think I've ever said I'm an ally about anything? Aren't you the moron who thought that my acknowledgment of Pelosi's personal views on single payer meant that I was defending her as a single payer champion, despite the fact that I said her personal opinion was meaningless if she wasn't going to act on it in her capacity as House minority leader?
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 14:53 |
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Neurolimal posted:I'll never understand the handful of people that think this thread is bad but constantly monitor it for a chance to blow up an offhand statement and announce it in other threads the conclusion: quote:It is obvious that the Democratic Party must substantively move left regardless of whether the white working class in particular takes to a new agenda—the policies the failures of contemporary American society demand of us are left policies and there are millions of Americans likely already inclined towards left-liberalism and leftism that can be galvanized by a new approach even if the white working class cannot. But the particular circumstances of Donald Trump’s victory and the sense that white working class voters ought to be a natural constituency for progressive policy will center the white working class in debate about the party’s deeply needed transformation for some time to come. Again, the pro-worker party the Left rightfully insists should be crafted out of the ashes of the current party is, to a large extent, the strongly pro-union, unapologetically pro-redistribution, and deeply economically progressive Democratic Party of old — the party that white working class voters suddenly began abandoning in droves for the Republican Party and the party that the white working class voters who stayed influenced by rejecting progressive candidates.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 14:54 |
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WampaLord posted:Your rap sheet speaks for itself. Pretty sure it speaks more to the opinions of the mod staff - check the post for my month long probation And feel free to quote me some of that regressive poo poo I've posted. I'll wait. MooselanderII posted:Aren't you the moron who thought that my acknowledgment of Pelosi's personal views on single payer meant that I was defending her as a single payer champion, despite the fact that I said her personal opinion was meaningless if she wasn't going to act on it in her capacity as House minority leader? I honestly don't remember who you are (I don't pay that much attention sorry) but anyone supporting Pelosi at this point is probably a moron
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 14:59 |
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Mark my words the "reformed" folks in here will be the ones advocating for an "electable" Chelsea/Booker/Zuck/Gillibrand mashup, just you wait. Ask yourself this, do you trust Clinton when she "evolved" on not being an anti-gay bigot the moment it became popular? Should you trust the person who tirelessly worked against the interests of gay people until the literal microsecond it became cool? This is the same thinking going on here - being a political weathervane isn't useful for the left. call to action fucked around with this message at 15:03 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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call to action posted:Mark my words the "reformed" folks in here will be the ones advocating for an "electable" Chelsea/Booker/Zuck/Gillibrand mashup, just you wait Toxx on it or shut up already.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:03 |
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Playstation 4 posted:Toxx on it or shut up already. OK, toxx'd.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:07 |
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call to action posted:Pretty sure it speaks more to the opinions of the mod staff - check the post for my month long probation call to action posted:Racism, pointing out racism, it's the same thing you see. To city dwellers, I guess. That's such a loving city dwelling Democrat thing to do, you probably think Gil Scott-Heron is racist because he says "friend of the family" a lot. call to action posted:It's pretty cool how so many posters here want our cities to resemble Delhi, with a rich urban core surrounded by landless peasantry that cleans out sewer clogs for tips.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:08 |
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Lightning Lord posted:Isn't the fear that anyone who could get in the position of possibly being a Democratic president is like that Yeah but the fear is more acute with Tulsi because everyone is rushing to anoint her as the new leftist champion because she's photogenic and endorsed Bernie (or alternatively decry her as secret hitler). If she actually puts up on left economic policy then I'm all for her, but at the moment it feels like she has the same calculated vague positions that 08 Obama had.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:08 |
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Actually, Jackson is only a month older than Sanders, he should run again too
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:09 |
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call to action posted:Pretty sure it speaks more to the opinions of the mod staff - check the post for my month long probation The point was I wasn't supporting her, but your small brain detected the factual statement that she paid it meaningless lip service as defending her. If you can't understand what words mean, why bother posting?
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:23 |
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call to action posted:Quote me something regressive I've said. I know it pains you, man, but not everyone that isn't a Hillaryman in 2017 posts on the_donald. Also I don't think I've ever said I'm an ally about anything? Or maybe, and hear me out, we could elect economic leftists who also support social equality for racial and religious minorities.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:24 |
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Nevvy Z posted:I could have sworn it was him having less votes nah, the dnc was cheating on hillary's behalf the entire time can't really claim your side won if they can't do it without cheating edit: oh wait why am i bothering to respond to you. you put me on ignore Condiv fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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Hillary was always going to win the primary, her last name is loving Clinton. You can't beat that kind of name recognition. The fact that a total unknown like Sanders got so close should have been a massive wake up call, but rather than realize it was the heralding of a wave of people looking for actual changes, the DNC went "nah, gently caress it."
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:30 |
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George Clinton 2020, then?
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:34 |
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Condiv posted:nah, the dnc was cheating on hillary's behalf the entire time Is it really cheating if Bernie endorsed Hillary? Hmmmm...?
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 15:38 |
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I honestly don't understand how any of that is regressive though? Maybe you can explain. Glazier posted:Or maybe, and hear me out, we could elect economic leftists who also support social equality for racial and religious minorities. It's pretty simple, you work with the furthest left politician you possibly can at any given time. Gabbard isn't perfect - perhaps you are? I'd vote for you, for sure, in that case. You're kind of like the folks that called Bernie out for being merely a democratic socialist and for not saying Israel is the devil. Not useful and ready to be consigned to the dustbin of history. call to action fucked around with this message at 16:30 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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call to action posted:I honestly don't understand how any of that is regressive though? Maybe you can explain. Well how about don't call women bitches for starters. Let's work from there. Lots of "cucks" in your post history, as well. Certainly not a sign of being an alt-right shitheel.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 16:29 |
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WampaLord posted:Well how about don't call women bitches for starters. Let's work from there. That's my bad, I didn't know the poster I was responding to was a woman! Thanks for correcting me. And please, quote all the times I've used "cuck". It'll certainly reinforce your notion of me as an alt-right shitheel, lol
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 16:31 |
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(Hint: the reason these folks are SO MAD about me, and are bringing up such incredibly weak burns, is because they're the reformed Hillarymen I'm warning you about)
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 16:35 |
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Can't quote from locked threads, but here ya go I distinctly remember you pre-election being all aboard the Trump train, but now that you have a chance to call out people you hate like Majorian, you're acting like you were secretly progressive the whole time. Don't try to bullshit me. call to action posted:(Hint: the reason these folks are SO MAD about me, and are bringing up such incredibly weak burns, is because they're the reformed Hillarymen I'm warning you about)
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 16:36 |
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Yeah exactly, that's the kind of non-burn I'm talking about. One might notice that you didn't point out what thread that was posted in, heh Seek help, man. I don't trust you, I never will, and neither will the smart folks that supported Bernie from the beginning.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 16:39 |
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call to action posted:That's my bad, I didn't know the poster I was responding to was a woman! Thanks for correcting me. That's one.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 16:42 |
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So is this thread about circlejerking over who's a secret regressive or...?
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 16:46 |
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Lightning Lord posted:So is this thread about circlejerking over who's a secret regressive or...? not usually people are calling each out a lot the past few days though
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 16:50 |
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I never considered voting for Clinton in the primary but I wouldn't vote for Tulsi Gabbard except over the biggest disasters (e.g. Cuomo). Her bad opinions are dealbreakers and the left can very obviously do a lot better than that.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 17:06 |
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call to action posted:Reformed Hillarymen like Majorian are ultimately a threat. I'm a "reformed Hillaryman" in what sense? I was a Bernie throughout the primary, and I wanted Hillary to win the general because she wasn't Trump. quote:Case in point: how Hillarymen coo along with leftists on the high notes, but then start screeching ANYTHING BUT TULSI, Ah, okay, now I get it: you're just an idiot.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 17:17 |
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Tulsi would be great in a domestic position, but unless her foreign policies change she should stay far away from the oval office.
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# ? Jul 5, 2017 17:20 |