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Neurolimal posted:Tulsi would be great in a domestic position, but unless her foreign policies change she should stay far away from the oval office. Plus I don't trust that she wouldn't, you know. Let her Islamophobia drive a lot of her policies on civil liberties. I could see her trying to get a Muslim ban through. e: \/\/\/ yup. I can't really find a way to justify treating her good social democratic domestic policies as so significant, that they totally blot out her insanely fascistic attitudes. \/\/\/ Majorian fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Jul 5, 2017 |
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tulsi gabbard is a loving dumpster fire that pals around with narendra modi and was almost tapped for a position by the trump administration because steve bannon likes the cut of her jib, you total loving marks
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Jul 5, 2017 17:24
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Jul 5, 2017 17:26
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paranoid randroid posted:tulsi gabbard is a loving dumpster fire that pals around with narendra modi and was almost tapped for a position by the trump administration because steve bannon likes the cut of her jib, you total loving marks Exactly, there are plenty of real leftist candidates at all levels that don't advocate genocide.
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paranoid randroid posted:tulsi gabbard is a loving dumpster fire that pals around with narendra modi and was almost tapped for a position by the trump administration because steve bannon likes the cut of her jib, you total loving marks sounds like a good reason to not give her control of the military. As far as I know there's no standing Floridian army, so it should be OK to have her represent districts or even be senator. There's all of one person ITT advocating for Prez Gabbard so IDK who you're talking about when you say 'marks'.
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KaptainKrunk posted:Trump is gonna win again lol Doubt it. He's not going to be able to make good on the promises that got him elected in the first place. Unless the Dems nominate a complete shitlord like Booker (or God forbid, Clinton again), he probably won't get the turnout he needs in those traditionally blue states that swung for him in '16. Neurolimal posted:There's all of one person ITT advocating for Prez Gabbard so IDK who you're talking about when you say 'marks'. I think there were a couple more upthread, but I could be misremembering.
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Majorian posted:Doubt it. He's not going to be able to make good on the promises that got him elected in the first place. Unless the Dems nominate a complete shitlord like Booker (or God forbid, Clinton again), he probably won't get the turnout he needs in those traditionally blue states that swung for him in '16. Or Suckerberg and his penchant for seguing into dystopian speeches.
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Neurolimal posted:Or Suckerberg and his penchant for seguing into dystopian speeches. Yeah, point is, as long as Fulchrum is unhappy with the Dems' pick, they'll probably win.
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:I never considered voting for Clinton in the primary but I wouldn't vote for Tulsi Gabbard except over the biggest disasters (e.g. Cuomo). Her bad opinions are dealbreakers and the left can very obviously do a lot better than that. I'm pretty sure the fact that people are bringing up Gabbard is a sign that it's not, in fact, obvious that the left can do better. I mean I'm sure it can, but it's certainly not OBVIOUS that it can.
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Majorian posted:Doubt it. He's not going to be able to make good on the promises that got him elected in the first place. Unless the Dems nominate a complete shitlord like Booker (or God forbid, Clinton again), he probably won't get the turnout he needs in those traditionally blue states that swung for him in '16. Majy projecting that Trump loses.... where have i seen this before???
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If Tulsi is pro-genocide, Hillary is a slaveowner, full stopGlazier posted:Exactly, there are plenty of real leftist candidates at all levels that don't advocate genocide. Like who? Gillibrand? Warren? There's no "real leftist" (read: other-than-neoliberal) candidate ready to assume the office of the presidency.
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call to action posted:If Tulsi is pro-genocide, Hillary is a slaveowner, full stop when did warren become a neoliberal
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Jul 5, 2017 18:05
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Neurolimal posted:sounds like a good reason to not give her control of the military. As far as I know there's no standing Floridian army, so it should be OK to have her represent districts or even be senator. she's from hawaii how are you that stupid
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paranoid randroid posted:when did warren become a neoliberal When she held out endorsing Bernie for a seat in the Abuela Court, for starters
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call to action posted:When she held out endorsing Bernie for a seat in the Abuela Court, for starters oh my loving god who gives a poo poo
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paranoid randroid posted:oh my loving god who gives a poo poo Ask dumb questions, get dumb answers
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are you so demented that you still seriously care about who endorsed who in 2016 ellison didnt back that one sanders guy in that florida race, is he neolib shill trash now too
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paranoid randroid posted:when did warren become a neoliberal When she supported, endorsed, and campaigned for Hillary Clinton. Thus the denizens of this thread demand she be purged as a filthy centrist demon.
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paranoid randroid posted:are you so demented that you still seriously care about who endorsed who in 2016 My purity test is basically: if you've ever been against single payer, go gently caress yourself. That clears the field pretty accurately. Warren didn't support it until a few years ago, so she sucks, it just happens to be a less so than most Dems.
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TROIKA CURES GREEK posted:Majy projecting that Trump loses.... where have i seen this before??? The same time you saw almost every single person in the U.S. projecting the same thing, including Trump himself?  call to action posted:When she held out endorsing Bernie for a seat in the Abuela Court, for starters That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. While I wish Warren hadn't endorsed Clinton, and had actually run herself, her policy positions are pretty clearly non-neoliberal.
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Majorian posted:That's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard. While I wish Warren hadn't endorsed Clinton, and had actually run herself, her policy positions are pretty clearly non-neoliberal. She's not a neoliberal in the same way that Clinton doesn't think black people are superpredators: The Boston Globe posted:In her 2012 race for Senate, Warren’s ill-fated primary challenger, Marisa DeFranco, consistently chided Warren for not explicitly endorsing single-payer insurance, which Warren refused to do. DeFranco made a point to mention the issue in her media appearances, and branded herself as the “only candidate in this race who supports single-payer.” Warren did not challenge the assertion. I don't believe in "evolving" into positions where gay people are suddenly not worthy of being lynched, and I don't believe in "evolving" into believing that healthcare in this country isn't a loving disaster.
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Jul 5, 2017 18:21
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call to action posted:She's not a neoliberal in the same way that Clinton doesn't think black people are superpredators: Okay, well, that's a really dumb opinion you're expressing there, and I hope you're trolling. You can be disappointed with how long it took Warren to champion single payer, but she's been spearheading efforts on reforming the financial sector, and without her, we probably wouldn't have had the CFPB. That's not really the hallmark of a neoliberal.
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paranoid randroid posted:are you so demented that you still seriously care about who endorsed who in 2016 I never heard Bernie say "I endorse Bernie Sanders for president" ever, come to think of it
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Majorian posted:Okay, well, that's a really dumb opinion you're expressing there, and I hope you're trolling. You can be disappointed with how long it took Warren to champion single payer, but she's been spearheading efforts on reforming the financial sector, and without her, we probably wouldn't have had the CFPB. That's not really the hallmark of a neoliberal. Her work with the CFPB hasn't really done anything important, the efforts to reform the financial sector were laughable and are likely to be completely rolled back, and she was actively working to snuff out single payer as recently as during Obama's second term. Who gives a poo poo about Liz Warren. Literally the most visible thing the CFPB has done is to show you how much money you'll save by paying off your credit card earlier, if that's not neolib I don't know what the gently caress is
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call to action posted:When she held out endorsing Bernie for a seat in the Abuela Court, for starters Oh God, go the gently caress away. Seriously.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:I never heard Bernie say "I endorse Bernie Sanders for president" ever, come to think of it gently caress i knew he was a neolib normie quisling fuckboy deep down
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The Kingfish posted:"Neoliberal" means "liberal" much like how neocon means con huh you're a stupid idiot
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Neoliberal is a good word because it makes weird people angry.stone cold posted:she's from hawaii I was thinking along the lines of 'state that would probably favor a hawkish veteran' Whatever gets you your kicks though.
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call to action posted:Her work with the CFPB hasn't really done anything important, Not from lack of a huge amount of trying on her part, and if you had been following politics closely for the past eight years, you'd know that. Obama and other centrist Dems pumped the breaks on financial sector reform, in the vain hope of placating Republicans. That wasn't Warren's fault. quote:Who gives a poo poo about Liz Warren. A lot of folks. She has a very good chance of being the Dems' 2020 nominee.
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single payer healthcare is orthogonal to neo-liberalism, hope this helps
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yknow earlier i was wondering why Liz Warren has such high unfavorables for someone whos been doing real good work in the public sphere, and suddenly i understand its because people like call to action are unfathomably stupid and useless jackasses
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Tony Blair: famed anti-neo-liberal
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Isn't it weird how Warren was, like, TOTALLY trying to reign in Wall Street, but couldn't - while at the same time working to ensure single payer would never come to pass? I mean, you could be excused for thinking that both of those things are completely consistent with a neoliberal identity... but no, just like Obama, she should totally get credit for things she said she wanted to do, but didn't.
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Neurolimal posted:Neoliberal is a good word because it makes weird people angry. like how do you not know what constituency she represents you stupid idiot how are you this fuckin dumb
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call to action posted:Isn't it weird how Warren was, like, TOTALLY trying to reign in Wall Street, but couldn't - while at the same time working to ensure single payer would never come to pass? Digiwizzard posted:My fears regarding Tulsi is that she's another Ellison or Obama. An attractive young outsider blank canvas that you can pin all your socialist hopes on, but who ends up being another centrist turd when it actually matters. Thread, I don't recognize this person but I thought Ellison was the good true progressive and Perez was the dirty Obama centrist. Which is it?
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Tony Blair: famed anti-neo-liberal I thought comparing america and the UK wasn't possible because they're so different, has this changed? stone cold posted:like how do you not know what constituency she represents Did you know that politicians often move to different states to hold positions there? I recall a Hillary Clinton doing this during her career.
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