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el oso posted:I'm going to love Valerian so much but it's going to bomb so hard. My fiance hates sci fi that isn't Star Wars or Star Trek and is interested in Valerian, so now I'm not sure how it's going to do. Semi-relatedly she has never seen Blade Runner but despite the sci-fi figured it'd be up her alley so I showed her a trailer on Amazon. It made it look like the world's shittiest 90s direct-to-tv movie Matrix knockoff and more or less killed that idea. 
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The newest trailer I saw for Valerian was bizarre yesterday. It was cut to look like a kids movie with lots of burp and fart jokes. This was before Minions 3 though.
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PotatoManJack posted:Just on how awesome Keanu is chat, There's plenty of airport/sidewalk videos of people approaching him, and one time he actually got annoyed with a camera guy and said "you suck". So that's Keanu's version of being a dick. The subway video is crazy because it looks like he's on his way to a meeting or something, not just going somewhere for fun. You'd think he'd take a car service for something like that .
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Jul 6, 2017 18:15
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Being a total dick on set also killed Val Kilmer's career. Guy was one of the biggest stars in the world in the 90s but by the early 2000s was barely getting DTV work.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Being a total dick on set also killed Val Kilmer's career. Guy was one of the biggest stars in the world in the 90s but by the early 2000s was barely getting DTV work.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Being a total dick on set also killed Val Kilmer's career. Guy was one of the biggest stars in the world in the 90s but by the early 2000s was barely getting DTV work. Had he stayed pretty that may have gone differently. He gained like 50lbs, and once the pretty face was gone so were the leading roles.
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Basebf555 posted:Had he stayed pretty that may have gone differently. He gained like 50lbs, and once the pretty face was gone so were the leading roles. Wasn't there a rumor that he developed a huge drinking problem after Batman Forever?
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Jul 6, 2017 20:34
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He was great in Magruber.
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I liked him in Spartan also Kiss Kiss Bang Bang is certainly a classic
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Basebf555 posted:Had he stayed pretty that may have gone differently. He gained like 50lbs, and once the pretty face was gone so were the leading roles.
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Jul 6, 2017 20:41
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Gene Hackman also has a reputation for being a dick.
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Jul 6, 2017 20:46
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Casimir Radon posted:Chicken/egg problem. Did the drinking make him a fat rear end in a top hat nobody wanted to work with, or did he drink because he was an rear end in a top hat that nobody wanted to work with and that made him fat, or does drinking make him an rear end in a top hat, etc... Well, I don't know about the rear end in a top hat part, but the rumour is that he was being treated for cancer and that's what made him swell up.
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Jul 6, 2017 20:49
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Did you know that Keanu is Mandarin for Chosen One? 
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Gatts posted:Gene Hackman also has a reputation for being a dick. Gene Hackman can be whatever he wants.
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Snowman_McK posted:Also, his whole career was the result of a bet. Some producer or agent bet another that he could turn anyone into a star. It's the same sort of process that gave us this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKX1EY6dkIY Be warned that that's more or less the worst song ever. I'd always assumed Segal was a middling martial arts instructor in Hollywood who fell rear end-backwards into a dumb industry client that bought his sensei routine and pulled strings to cast him. Good to know I wasn't too far off.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkskuSXqUD0
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Dinosaurs! posted:I'd always assumed Segal was a middling martial arts instructor in Hollywood who fell rear end-backwards into a dumb industry client that bought his sensei routine and pulled strings to cast him. Good to know I wasn't too far off.
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Dinosaurs! posted:I'd always assumed Segal was a middling martial arts instructor in Hollywood who fell rear end-backwards into a dumb industry client that bought his sensei routine and pulled strings to cast him. Good to know I wasn't too far off. It's a bit like that, but, IIRC, Seagal was the first foreigner to run an Aikido dojo. He did this by marrying the daughter of the dojo's sensei.
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Seagal is a punk even to people like me who idolize the notion of badass 80/90s action flicks. He's always been the lowest tier of watchable with no charisma. I think the only passable movie that fits the bill is the one where he hits people with a pool ball over and over. I vaguely remember him making movies where he aikido flips people from Big Oil playing a native american stereotype as a message. He has legit aikido chops and was apparently one of the first westerners to earn the King Big poo poo title (roughly translated) in Japan, but that did fuckall when the "bullshido" craze swept the combat sports world that started to crack down on everything that wasn't "live" (ie- boxing good because you spar other people to get better, kungfu bad because your teacher tells you never to practice this because it kills people, honest). His Aikido performances turned into pro-wrasslin' where the guys he flips started throwing themselves around comically to prostrate themselves before his movie badass persona. I also briefly remember him doing some stuff with UFC (not fighting), which is funny considering MMA is about punching people and not fancy dances or phony wristlock tumbles. .... Ahhh, that lovely Johnny Cage era of cinema where to be a tough guy who does choreography, you actually needed a black belt in something and some amateur fighting record. What horseshit. Firstborn fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Jul 6, 2017 |
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Seagal has a solid handful of really good action films, and while I wouldn't necessarily say I find him charming I do think he has an entertaining presence. He's low on my list of 80s/90s action stars as well but I wouldn't write him off completely.
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Val Kilmer = Best Elvis? Well, after Bruce Campbell LesterGroans posted:Seagal has a solid handful of really good action films, and while I wouldn't necessarily say I find him charming I do think he has an entertaining presence. He's low on my list of 80s/90s action stars as well but I wouldn't write him off completely. I still really enjoy the first Under Siege. I just watched it the other day and I think it still holds up. And I still love that the main villain's only defense in the final fight is "wearing a leather jacket"
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Seagal had this thing where he never wanted to be seen looking like he was struggling in a 1on1 fight, didn't matter if it was some thug in the first 5 minutes of the movie or the big bad villain at the very end. Typically in his movies the villain never stands a chance against him in an actual physical confrontation.
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Alright. Where I can I stream or spend a few dollars on Under Siege 1 and 2. I don't know that I've ever seen a Seagal movie despite my love for Arnold / Willis / JCVD.
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Asnorban posted:Alright. Where I can I stream or spend a few dollars on Under Siege 1 and 2. I don't know that I've ever seen a Seagal movie despite my love for Arnold / Willis / JCVD. Only place its free right now is HBOGO.
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Watch Out For Justice instead.
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Tars Tarkas posted:Godzilla anime teaser Ugh, Polygon Pictures. I hate their style. Everything always looks really badly frame-y and stiff.
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Under Siege 1 is good, but instead of Under Siege 2, I'd watch Out For Justice or Above the Law instead. Those two at least have great villains (William Forsythe and Henry Silva respectively) and Seagal sadistically maims and butchers pretty much anyone he encounters. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_An5h3v00Ng
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Hard to Kill is my favorite Segal movie, because it has one of the best scenes of the hero turning around the villain's catchphrase in the third act.
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I remember a Seanbaby article saying that even in his prime, Seagal ran "like a penguin was kidding". Seagal also creeped out Katherine Heigl when she was acting with him in Under Siege 2. He said to her that his girlfriend at the time was Heigl's age, and she was 16 at the time.
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ruddiger posted:Under Siege 1 is good, but instead of Under Siege 2, I'd watch Out For Justice or Above the Law instead. Those two at least have great villains (William Forsythe and Henry Silva respectively) and Seagal sadistically maims and butchers pretty much anyone he encounters. Above the Law also has Pam Grier as a bonus. And Sharon Stone but that doesn't really count because she has next to nothing to do.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQt6r_RCV1M I just realized the story about getting choked out/pooping one's pants, they totally enacted this tale with Mac on the Alway Sunny episode with "Country Mac."  I will say though I LOOOOOOOOVE Under Siege 2 (and the first one also).
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Tars Tarkas posted:Godzilla anime teaser Is this the first Godzilla anime? I can't imagine it is. I'm willing to check that out, though. It could be cool, especially since they won't have costume or realism limitations to work around.
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You're forgetting about this classic anime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTItRfN-LO8&t=4s
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muscles like this! posted:Ugh, Polygon Pictures. I hate their style. Everything always looks really badly frame-y and stiff. Yeah that does not look that good at all, animation-wise. IShallRiseAgain posted:You're forgetting about this classic anime https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTItRfN-LO8&t=4s The Godzooky portion always loving gets me. He doesn't even look like he came from the same show, like Hannah-Barbara adult-swimed their own show 40 years ago and badly
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Well alright then. Under Siege tonight and then Out for Justice tomorrow.
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MariusLecter posted:Gene Hackman can be whatever he wants. When they were younger, struggling thespians Dustin Hoffman and Gene Hackman lived together and hung out with Robert Duvall. They'd go out, eat, drink, be merry - young actors on the cusp. Occasionally, Gene would get 'intense', as Dustin tells it. He would make his apologies, leave the group... and go look for a fight to get involved in. Invariably, he'd show up the next day, bruised and bloodied, grinning from ear to ear. I resolved never to mess with Gene, should our paths ever cross, after I heard that
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Which is the Seagal with Erika Eleniak coming out of the cake?
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Which is the Seagal with Erika Eleniak coming out of the cake? Under Siege
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I forget the explanation for why the deadliest guy on the whole ship is the cook but I don't think they dwell on that point for very long.
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Moreau posted:When they were younger, struggling thespians Dustin Hoffman and Gene Hackman lived together and hung out with Robert Duvall. They'd go out, eat, drink, be merry - young actors on the cusp. Didn't he get into fistfight with someone over a fender bender like four years ago? Guess it never left him.
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