Kyrosiris posted:

You don't have to call your crystals as soon as you get them in Upgrade, specifically to prevent what you describe (grinding out expensive abilities in world one).

ultrafilter posted:

Yeah. Dual-wield is one of the best skills in the game.

TaintedBalance posted:

Sweet, thanks. I have to say that doing an upgrade run has made me have to plan and think things through in ways I never had about the game. Glad I decided to throw it on, even though I haven't played the game in about a decade. Not being able to steal stuff kind of sucks, and my healing right now really sucks. I assume at some point getting my hands on something like the Fire (Flame?) Ring for everyone, and just throwing a fire scroll at myself will be a good way to handle healing as I progress with the game?

Focacciasaurus_Rex posted:

It's also worth it to max out monk, for stat bonuses.

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It's also worth maxing out all your jobs anyway. It improves the stat bonus you get from the secondary commands.

Schwarzwald posted:

I don't think either of these things are true. Mastering a class only provides stat bonus to the Freelancer and Mime jobs.

All other stat bonuses come from what command or ability you have equipped, and those are the same regardless of if you have or haven't mastered a job.

Focacciasaurus_Rex posted:

I thought it was like a -2 penalty to the high stat for each job level away from mastery it was?

Maybe that's just for spellcasters. But regardless, +30% hp is still better than +10% or +20% hp, and can make your mages over twice as tanky.

Focacciasaurus_Rex posted:

I thought it was like a -2 penalty to the high stat for each job level away from mastery it was?

Focacciasaurus_Rex posted:

Maybe that's just for spellcasters.

free Trapt CD posted:

First time playing FFV and just passed the Earth crystal - Summoner / Bard / Berzerker / Ninja on a Popular run. This is a lot more fun than I'd expected! I signed up for Fifth Job, but I'm confused about it: when Krile joins I'm no longer allowed to use any Ninja skills as well as being locked out of the job? Is that correct?

Nemo2342 posted:

Is it possible to beat Omega with Bard/Time Mage/White Mage/Mime? Even with double-sing, he doesn't stay locked down for hardly any time at all, and I haven't found anything that can really hurt him.

Bufuman posted:

Jesus, it's been, what, a week since I've made ANY progress on my 2nd run? Maybe two? I need to get back on this poo poo.

On the downside, I'm just getting to Regole in world 2 and only now realized that I forgot to grab the Toad spell. Figures it would slip my mind on the rare run where it could actually be useful (I've got Red Mage as one of my classes). I have a savestate back just before hopping into the meteorite-powered portal, but I can't decide if it would be worth redoing a few hours' worth of progress.

KataraniSword posted:

The only bosses where I feel like it's relevant are Apanda, Halicarnassus, and maybe Twintania. Most things in W2 are immune to it, afaik. More importantly, if you missed it in Istory, Phantom Village's non-secret magic shop has it, Mini, Float, Teleport, Speed, and the Lv1 summons. In other words, the stuff you're actually at risk of missing.

FreeKillB posted:

The one thing that comes to mind that Beastmaster gets you that can't be replicated is a source of Berserk for Shinryu. If you catch a Mammon (tree enemy in Moore forest, also a rare encounter at the roof level of the castle in the Rift) and release it, it will cast Berserk on a random party member. However, if this party member has a Reflect Ring then Shinryu will be berserked instead.

JerikTelorian posted:

Something I've been wondering about : why are we Berserking Shinryu? Doesn't that make it faster and stronger?

Coco Rodreguiz posted:

I'm slowly playing through with Geo/Zer/Ker/Blue. Is it possible to triple crown with this team?

jaclynhyde posted:

Yet another Can I Beat Omega question: can my Black/Time/Dragoon/Samurai team beat Omega without quickleaking him? I tried using Flame Rings with one Reflect Ring for Firaga healing, but he's just been too fast to keep up. Also I somehow forgot to buy Quick and am in favor of being lazy.

Man with Hat posted:

Berserk doesn't make it faster either. Chemist has a !mix that causes haste blink and berserk and bypasses all resitances, but since Shinryu isn't immune to berserk you don't use that, so Shinryu only gets stronger.

If you use that mix to Berserk, say, omega though, then you're in for a treat.

Modal Auxiliary posted:

Can we still raise money by showing our butts?

ZiegeDame posted:

Behold, the bravest of butts.

derra posted:

Dunno if there are still slots available, but my wife finished a butt run.

https://twitter.com/Angelise001/status/882071751097819136

*Edit* Damnit, only Bards on Adamantoise : (

Nasgate posted:

And finally a picture of me dunking NED into the dumbster.

Between haste, dragon defense, dragon kiss, and Goliath tonic I was reminded of the excalipoor Gilgamesh fight.

And speaking of Gilgamesh and Excalipoor, I think I beat him too fast with my hasted black magic spam. I never got Excalipoor and Gilgamesh never showed up in the void to fight or help me against Necron.

I'm thinking maybe a no750 run next since I think I peaked in terms of good 750 jobs.

Another Butt for the Butt pile!

Edward_Tohr posted:

FreeKillB posted:

Another butt for the butt throne!

grancheater posted:

Don't believe Ondore's lies, a butt yet lives.



TC of course but I'm not gonna post some quickleak pics.

First time I finish a run with summoner and dang Syldra is really good, also got a Shoat proc on the Almagest part

derra posted:

Yes. Equip 3 reflect rings on your party and Diamond armor of some type is recommended on the 4th. Reflect Thundaga on your party. As long as one person on your team gets hit with Thundaga Omega won't counter the damage. Other 3 people toss Elixirs to heal. Cast Haste and Masamune on Omega to get your Reflected people hasted if healing is not required.

Lurdiak posted:

2 more butt spots to go!

FreeKillB posted:

Well, that was a thing.

Some non-Omega notes:
-Beastmaster is god's gift to late w1/w2 xp grinding. Prototypes and shield dragons are nuts.
-I mentioned it before but I could have saved myself a bit of pain by using !Control on Puroboros rather than roughing it.
-Thief is not great as an Earth crystal job if you're using #fifthjob. The only relevant steal I got was a couple spare Gale bows for plinking at Exdeath.
-Beastmaster gives you some very nice finishers. I used a magic dragon to skip half of the dangerous phase of world 2 exdeath, and having two releases for Neo Exdeath allowed me to be lazy and not count damage, since I basically only needed to be within 20k. There's also a good sense of accomplishment for using a Sting Eagle and Mammon you caught in world 2 to chump Catastrophe and Shinryu, respectively.
-Dancer is unreliable trash garbage, up to the point where you get the chicken knife and sword dance up gear, at which point they become killdozers. Most of the Rift bosses got owned really really quickly. The one thing I will note is that even with the booster, Sword Dance adds enough RNG to be absolutely infuriating if you're using the already RNG-dependent mage masher + wall ring strats for the rugwizard.
-Ranger continues to own, although X-Fight was again not worth grinding pre-Omega. Darkness bows are great, and you also get mileage out of killer bows, gale bows, and Yoichi's bow.
-I'm a scrub and just grinded faris/butz up to level 41 vs Shield Dragons instead of learning the timing for Almagest jumps. Next time I'm not going to chicken out (at least make the attempts before doing w3 xp grinding).


Omega notes:
This is the first time I fought him properly. The other times I had mystic knight+ranger, which kills him ultradead, or something like chemist to just cheese him. Note to the above discussion about stoplocking him with bards: two is sufficient if they alternate but if their ATB fills differently (due to different agility/equip load) then they will desync and give him a turn. If you have 3 it's usually enough as long as you notice when everyone's turns clump together and delay actions appropriately.
Ranger, beastmaster, dragoon and dancer all offered options for actually damaging Omega, but each one of them had a pretty big downside
-A Great Dragon release does about 8k damage to Omega, which is not shabby but obviously you won't get more than 3-4 of these a fight, less if your encircle luck is bad.
-X-Fight with chicken knife was doing about 2k per hit using a level 51 Faris (beastmaster). This is respectable, but Omega gets to counter twice, so if you're lucky you'll eat 4 rocket punches and if you're unlucky you'll eat two encircles.
-Sword Dance with a level 61 Butz with Equip Lances and a trident also did about 8k. Here the downside is that 50% of the time you'd get jitterbug or mystery waltz instead, essentially a wasted turn in a fight where action economy is critical.
Grinding only slightly reduces the amount of RNG that you need to line up in this situation. Other than the marginal damage increase, the main benefits seemed to be having enough levels to facetank an atomic ray or even a mustard bomb (Butz and Faris could survive the former, and Butz was close to being able to survive the latter). Theoretically, quake is also something that levels can help you survive but I didn't get any data on that from my attempts. You need to toss loads of elixirs no matter what since Omega uses Surge Beam almost every other turn.
-When you have no AoE and no break blade grinding is a chore. I used the lamp spot in the Trench, which worked out ok but it took many hours.
-I should note my resistance setup. Before fighting Omega I ran from a random encounter with everyone loaded up with Rainbow Dresses and Ribbons. Then I switched equipment/jobs and saved before fighting Omega. Due to the phantom status immunity glitch this meant that I was basically immune to the relevant effects from Blaster, Rainbow Wind, Delta Attack, and Rocket punch. I couldn't have Ribbons on my non-Dancer in the actual fight since every ability spot was being reserved for catch or X-fight.
e: It was probably only a marginal edge but I went to North Mountain to control some kitties so that I could have float at the start of the fight. Quake didn't come up in any of the critical fights so I really don't know if this was worth it.

jaclynhyde posted:

Well, that's the saddest dead Lenna I've ever seen.




The Brave Blade run was remarkably simple with agas, rods, and Iainuki. (I also managed to miss getting the Exdeath screenshot, but I had a save state in front of the tree version...)




I also triple crowned without Blue Mage/Mystic Knight/Bard/Chemist for ultrafilter's pledge.

Huzzah! posted:

Time Mage lets you Quick Sap him. Basically, enter the fight with someone wearing a reflect ring, then cast quick. With the first action, break a poison rod on the reflected person and just wait. Dont use your second action. Omega will be frozen but he will have the sap status on him for as long as you're still in the second quick turn and he'll be taking the damage. Wait long enough and he will die.

Samuel Clemens posted:

Note that "long enough" means 2+ hours, so you might want to go and do something else during that time.

Two Bards with Hermes Sandals should definitely be able to stunlock Omega if you space out their turns though. You could even go with three Bards to make it easier. But yeah, this team is seriously lacking in good ways to damage the thing. Even Meteor will do nothing most of the time.

Nemo2342 posted:

My original issue was that my characters with sing would go back to back, which meant I wasn't able to lock him down. Eventually I just went with Quick Sap (thank Gilgabot for 400% speed emulators) so that Omega died while I was watching SGDQ on my second monitor.

I'm guessing I'll be doing this again when I hit Shinryu.