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Ibram Gaunt posted:It is both those things.
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i'd still be pretty hesitant to, you know, actually do it, though.
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Jul 9, 2017 15:23
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the thought of going after people using ~illegal hair colors~ while I still see a new bot every morning selling gold is incredibly lol to me
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Jul 9, 2017 15:26
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Orr maybe they should add more hair/eye colors but I don't think they will.
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Jul 9, 2017 15:27
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:It's a technical PhD dissertation now to play and optimize. How so?
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Jul 9, 2017 15:38
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:What changed that made it so bad? Are people really nostalgic about babysitting dots? Dreadwyrm stance charges falling off? Mutual exclusivity of Aetherflow and Aethertrail sucks real loving bad and feels janky. Also the Job is now rather a lot of Ruin spam, but the above issue is far more pertinent to the overall gameflow sucking. Going into a trash pack with full Aethertrail and having to Dreadwyrm and then immediately burn it off with a Deathflare to be able to even think about Aetherflowing so you can Bane feels bad man. Edit: And I'm pretty sure these days Bane is so nerfed that you're actually better off hardcasting DoTs on multiple targets during Dreadwyrm! Which also doesn't feel particularly great! Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 15:48 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Jul 9, 2017 15:40
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Also the inability to heal the loving pet and being forced to watch as it dies to every AE ability because Garuda stands 1cm inside every AE radius. I'm going to level it to 70 just for the changes that have to be coming, or to be ready for next expansion when it will be the bees knees for sure. Seems to be the way classes go.
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Jul 9, 2017 15:50
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I wish more people would come visit me at my mansion, it gets lonely
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Jul 9, 2017 15:51
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Erg posted:the thought of going after people using ~illegal hair colors~ while I still see a new bot every morning selling gold is incredibly lol to me i mean, you're never going to not have botters, and ffxiv does way more about it than most. if you're seeing one new botter a day they're doing pretty well in all likeliness they're not going to do anything about it but i'd rather not take any risks just so my dragongirl's backstory about being a special snowflake is reinforced by her hot topic hair color or whatever the hell inspired this
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Jul 9, 2017 15:53
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:What changed that made it so bad? Are people really nostalgic about babysitting dots? Dreadwyrm stance charges falling off? Honestly the only thing I don't really like about it is how badly you are punished for death or fat-fingering an Aetherflow stack or Bane missing because the pubbie tank can't hold hate/corral mobs and I'm not paying close enough attention.
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Jul 9, 2017 16:06
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Nostalgia4Infinity posted:How so? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpAuOcKTF0SaGq8G9CWXTWqMsIU3IJxzqXd3LQBPy1E/mobilebasic
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Jul 9, 2017 16:37
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1PpAuOcKTF0SaGq8G9CWXTWqMsIU3IJxzqXd3LQBPy1E/mobilebasic I read down to the part were they discussed using abilities like it were payment plans and then deleted SMN from my Gear Set list. Haven't played mine past 60 but holy poo poo what did they do to this class?
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Jul 9, 2017 16:59
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I think some of you are missing the fact that LK is documenting all this and reporting it to Square so it can be looked into. He did say that they fixed the things he initially found, it just turned out there was another way to do it. Also the colors are pretty garish as 50s pointed out, so I'm not too sure a ton of people are going to go out of their way to do it other than to see if they can. It might be funny if they fix it just due to the rage it'd cause all the people using it to make their tits bigger (one of the changes that only shows up to the person doing it AFAIK). A Spider Covets fucked around with this message at 17:20 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Jul 9, 2017 17:10
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Oscar Wilde Bunch posted:It's a technical PhD dissertation now to play and optimize. Not...really? It's pretty straightforward to do well enough now, but complex to dps reach the dps ceiling due to some design issues and bahamut. The core is essentially a simpler version of the 3.x rotation because now you have a singles static rotation you're running through with little room to deviate, and no worry about dropping AT stacks or dwt/trid/df being on cooldown. With little practice it's an aoe champion in dungeons at 70. Screw up a bane (well, don't cast bane anyway), fester, or aetherflow and you'll be in a bad place though. And bahamut is obviously designed poorly, but if all you do is two akh morn and some gcd wyrnwaves you're not that far off. nuru fucked around with this message at 17:26 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Jul 9, 2017 17:17
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nuru posted:Screw up a bane (well, don't cast bane anyway), fester, or aetherflow and you'll be in a bad place though. And bahamut is obviously designed poorly, but if all you do is two akh morn and some gcd wyrnwaves you're not that far off. The magic happens when Bahamut's second Akh Morn animation goes off, but does no damage because Bahamut was too busy shuffling in place and then bounces because you had to move one foot to the left.
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Jul 9, 2017 17:23
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MechaX posted:The magic happens when Bahamut's second Akh Morn animation goes off, but does no damage because Bahamut was too busy shuffling in place and then bounces because you had to move one foot to the left. The kicker is that he has a 100 yalm range but still sticks to to you like he has separation anxiety.
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Jul 9, 2017 17:24
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MechaX posted:The magic happens when Bahamut's second Akh Morn animation goes off, but does no damage because Bahamut was too busy shuffling in place and then bounces because you had to move one foot to the left. The new SMN stuff is so damned janky. I've been playing SMN a bit more lately to mix things up (I main as SCH), and while it's awesome when everything comes together and you can make some really big dick numbers, Bahamut has been a rude dude to me a couple times. I notice it most during Susex.
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Jul 9, 2017 17:27
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something i have learned playing dps is that a lot of people are godawful at dpsing. i've been playing dragoon for all of two weeks and it's genuinely rare for an average pub to be doing better damage than me despite ostensibly playing their class for like years and the fact drg dps is not great. 'problems' with classes are only going to show up in the top ten-fifteen percentile and the average person doesn't even remember to use their cooldowns.
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Jul 9, 2017 17:28
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:something i have learned playing dps is that a lot of people are godawful at dpsing. i've been playing dragoon for all of two weeks and it's genuinely rare for an average pub to be doing better damage than me despite ostensibly playing their class for like years and the fact drg dps is not great. 'problems' with classes are only going to show up in the top ten-fifteen percentile and the average person doesn't even remember to use their cooldowns. I don't wanna doom spike it uses too much tp.
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Jul 9, 2017 17:29
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Captain Oblivious posted:Mutual exclusivity of Aetherflow and Aethertrail sucks real loving bad and feels janky. Also there's the thing where you can be turbofucked for up to 2 minutes if you die right after popping aetherflow, because you lose all aetherflow, aethertrail, and dreadwyrm stacks when you die. That's in addition to the weakness debuff and effectively losing all of your MP (because you have to resummon your pet). Also the thing where you can spend atherflow and not get aethertrail in certain situations, which also delays your rotation for an extra minute.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don't wanna doom spike it uses too much tp. you are correct that i am not going to doom spike three mob packs, yes.
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Jul 9, 2017 17:30
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Oh yeah and the thing where Bahamut is a giant obnoxious piece of poo poo that obscures your and other players' views, and stops doing the things he's supposed to be doing if you move by even a pixel!
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Fister Roboto posted:Oh yeah and the thing where Bahamut is a giant obnoxious piece of poo poo that obscures your and other players' views, and stops doing the things he's supposed to be doing if you move by even a pixel! excuse you, but this is my class fantasy and you don't pay my sub, tia
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Remember when they added spells with long cooldowns that are dependent on pet AI, and if the pet decides not to follow the command, the spell goes on cooldown?
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strong bird posted:Remember when they added spells with long cooldowns that are dependent on pet AI, and if the pet decides not to follow the command, the spell goes on cooldown? this is also part of my class fantasy.
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Jul 9, 2017 17:33
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Erg posted:the thought of going after people using ~illegal hair colors~ while I still see a new bot every morning selling gold is incredibly lol to me I mean, same, but I wouldn't want to lose my character over some hair colour.
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Jul 9, 2017 17:35
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Now that I'm hitting 70 in my gathering classes, would I be better off buying a set of hq gear off the mb before trying to farm up a bunch of scrip, or would a full set of level appropriate trash with maybe hq tools be good enough?
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A 50S RAYGUN posted:this is also part of my class fantasy. This is the worst cover song I've ever heard.
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I don't play smn so I can't speak to the specific issues like the bahamut movement thing, but I can tell you straight up that no one who played that job did so because they just loving loved pressing Ruin. It's mind-boggling that SE thought people who played the DoT jobs wanted fewer dots and more lovely filler spells, to the point where I assume there was a big whiteboard at SE that just said "LESS DOTS" circled a few times, and this is what guided all class redesign. I get wanting less "automatic" damage but there are better, more thematic ways to handle that for jobs whose main appeal was using dots. WoW's affliction warlock and shadow priest both went through a bunch of different versions and were dot-heavy, surely one of those would have made for good inspiration.
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Mr. Nice! posted:I don't wanna doom spike it uses too much tp. My dude have you ever had a black mage tell you they don't want to use aoe spells because they cost too much mp. Because I have. Sinteres posted:Now that I'm hitting 70 in my gathering classes, would I be better off buying a set of hq gear off the mb before trying to farm up a bunch of scrip, or would a full set of level appropriate trash with maybe hq tools be good enough? Full NQ whites from the vendor is good enough for getting yellow scrip, except from the folklore nodes. VHGS fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Jul 9, 2017 |
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Jul 9, 2017 17:49
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VHGS posted:My dude have you ever had a black mage tell you they don't want to use aoe spells because they cost too much mp. That's what mana shift is for so I can flare more
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Countblanc posted:I don't play smn so I can't speak to the specific issues like the bahamut movement thing, but I can tell you straight up that no one who played that job did so because they just loving loved pressing Ruin. It's mind-boggling that SE thought people who played the DoT jobs wanted fewer dots and more lovely filler spells, to the point where I assume there was a big whiteboard at SE that just said "LESS DOTS" circled a few times, and this is what guided all class redesign. The issue is probably not that they thought people dislike it but that DOT juggling was leading to too big a damage gap, which was their stated reason for simplifying a lot of classes. I don't think they did it right with all classes but focusing on Ruin spam lowers the amount of that. Of course then they made Aetherflow the single biggest fuckup punishment so...
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VHGS posted:Full NQ whites from the vendor is good enough for getting yellow scrip, except from the folklore nodes. Awesome, thanks.
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Just downloaded the game on PS4 and I have no clue how to even get started. I made a SE account on their site, but have no clue how to link it with my PS4. Google has been useless.
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Jul 9, 2017 17:56
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i think removing dots on combo classes sort of made sense, because a lot of melees just didn't use them or wouldn't fit them into the right places, but on classes that had most of their damage come from dots, who wasn't managing them? how many summoners weren't managing their dots when it was the entire point of the class?
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ImpAtom posted:The issue is probably not that they thought people dislike it but that DOT juggling was leading to too big a damage gap, which was their stated reason for simplifying a lot of classes. I don't think they did it right with all classes but focusing on Ruin spam lowers the amount of that. Of course then they made Aetherflow the single biggest fuckup punishment so...
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Jul 9, 2017 18:02
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For the fancy house designs is it just a custom item you make or do you need to make several pieces? For instance, when I look at garland for carbuncle I find "Carbuncle Cottage Walls" which requires a great deal of mats.
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Jul 9, 2017 18:04
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nuru posted:For the fancy house designs is it just a custom item you make or do you need to make several pieces? For instance, when I look at garland for carbuncle I find "Carbuncle Cottage Walls" which requires a great deal of mats. i think you pick your houses...walls, house, and roof? something like that. you're not making a section of wall, you're making the walls that surround your entire lot.
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nuru posted:For the fancy house designs is it just a custom item you make or do you need to make several pieces? For instance, when I look at garland for carbuncle I find "Carbuncle Cottage Walls" which requires a great deal of mats. You have to make the entire project.
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Asimo posted:Even simple things like removing the pet heal make the class so much more obnoxious in practice. This is the big red siren screaming that whoever was in charge of summoner had no idea what they were doing. The whole point of the class redesign was to get rid of useless abilities, but here they got rid of a useful ability and left a useless ability (mind-based physick) in its place.
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