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anilEhilated posted:Balderdash. The ancient Egyptians just understood the value of well-cooked ingredients. The Bible talks about hell as being a lake of fire and brimstone. I suspect that's where the modern association comes from. I've also personally wondered if in the early years of Christianity it was also a backlash against the common non-Christian practice of burning offerings to gods. Set in Egyptian mythology is also associated with fire, I think, but he's more a personification of the hostile parts of nature in general.
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anilEhilated posted:Balderdash. The ancient Egyptians just understood the value of well-cooked ingredients. Loki is only associated with fire because of Logi, who was the embodiment of fire, and beat Loki at an eating contest.
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Cythereal posted:The Bible talks about hell as being a lake of fire and brimstone. I suspect that's where the modern association comes from. I've also personally wondered if in the early years of Christianity it was also a backlash against the common non-Christian practice of burning offerings to gods. Still, The Redemption of Am-Heh! Even the name sounds like Egyptian for "yum". anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 10:46 on Jul 1, 2017 |
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White Coke posted:Loki is only associated with fire because of Logi, who was the embodiment of fire, and beat Loki at an eating contest. Ah ha! I had been wondering for a long time where in the world people got the idea that Loki was a god of fire since I couldn't think of a myth where he was associated with it at all, and in that myth you're alluding to he gets his rear end kicked by fire and thus clearly is not in charge of it. That their names are just similar and someone got confused would explain it.
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Melth posted:Ah ha! I had been wondering for a long time where in the world people got the idea that Loki was a god of fire since I couldn't think of a myth where he was associated with it at all, and in that myth you're alluding to he gets his rear end kicked by fire and thus clearly is not in charge of it. That their names are just similar and someone got confused would explain it. Also, weren't Loki's parents fire giants?
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Cythereal posted:Also, weren't Loki's parents fire giants? close, they were frost giants
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Cythereal posted:Also, weren't Loki's parents fire giants? Fire giants basically don't play any role at all in the myths. There is only one with a name: Surtr. At Ragnarok he shows up after all the important stuff is done, kills Freyr, and burns the entire world. There is not a single other myth I can think of in which fire giants appear. In fact, I think they're only mentioned in one other. See, there was this time when Freyr pointlessly gave away his magic sword so he could marry a girl. One of the other gods grumbles that this was the magic sword Freyr needed to beat Surtr at Ragnarok, and now instead Surtr is going to show up, kill him, and burn the entire world. Freyr just kind of shrugs and everyone goes back to partying. I'm not sure why no one tried to either get the sword back or find a new weapon for him. Probably because even the gods forgot the fire giants exist. Melth fucked around with this message at 04:10 on Jul 2, 2017 |
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I think Surt appears at the very beginning--Ginnungagap (where all the interesting world-creation stuff happened) was where Muspellheim and Nifleheim met, iirc. I think the Eddas at least mention his name in that context even if he doesn't do anything. (I probably spelled at least one of those wrong)
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I am sure that fire giants had some part to play in the creation of everything.
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Hunt11 posted:I am sure that fire giants had some part to play in the creation of everything. As I recall, there is actually no mention of them. Sparks just happen to fly across the Ginungagap from Muspellheim with no mention of fire giants being involved or even how they might have come to exist in the first place.
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The next episode is done on time once more! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jZEw0k2iKX4
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Shame about the bug, that's one of my favorite missions.
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Missions where the goal is to do something other than killing enemies can be really cool but designers need to be careful to make sure the enemies are at least in the way of the objective
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cheetah7071 posted:Missions where the goal is to do something other than killing enemies can be really cool but designers need to be careful to make sure the enemies are at least in the way of the objective Or make the character you need to reach the goal not have the ability to leap over every obstacle.
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Well, that's... one way to do the mission. I last played it on pre-Steam AoM and IIRC it worked there and was quite a lot of fun despite the fact you're stuck playing Egypt - Kemsyt's fortress is sufficiently impressive for it to feel really satisfying to dismantle it.
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"Oh good! Melth updated, and I can finally learn how to set up a solid Egyptian base..."
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I've always liked this mission because it's fun to build up and then assault the island with catapults, elephants, chariots and as many myth units as I can afford. The AI not attacking is really boring though.
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This mission has a seriously great setup let down by the bugged AI.
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Oh, hey. An AoM update. I wonder if this mission will be 15 mins, or maybe even 10. Let's see the vide.... Oh
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Hahah and here I thought my gimmick if spamming phoenixes and meteor strike on this level was clever. Watching Melth trivialise all these levels is amazing. MinistryofLard fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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So, can I ask for a slight spoiler? Are you ever going to have to build a proper Egyptian base?
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MinistryofLard posted:Hahah and here I thought my gimmick if spamming phoenixes and meteor strike on this level was clever. As always, I'm glad people are enjoying this ^^ It's a shame that they made phoenixes so bad, the things are really cool. Even on this mission I can't get any use out of them. Sometimes I sit back and build like 20 and it's still totally ineffective. Glazius posted:So, can I ask for a slight spoiler? Are you ever going to have to build a proper Egyptian base? Your guess is as good as mine, I'm afraid. I haven't really tried speedruns of the upcoming missions (and of course, I don't always do a speedrun in the first place), so I'm not entirely sure what's possible with them.
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The problem with phoenixes and in general fliers in this game: they are slooow. I honestly can't think of a good flying unit - Pegasi have their uses and I suppose the Atlantean flying healer isn't all bad but bringing them into a fight? Hell no. e: Forgot Odin's ravens, these are cool, but still just scouts nonetheless. anilEhilated fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jul 11, 2017 |
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Even the ultimate and most powerful air unit is kinda crappy. But after all my countless hours of Warcraft 3, this is better.
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Poil posted:Even the ultimate and most powerful air unit is kinda crappy. But after all my countless hours of Warcraft 3, this is better. de ends justify da means
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Yeah, complete flyer domination in singleplayer WC3 and SC was pretty boring. They were pretty well balanced in serious ladder though. And the campaign generally didn't let you use said air units until near the very end (or found some way to disallow it even then). The final mission against Archimonde would have been trivial if you could make Chimeras, but instead they were unavailable and never even mentioned. Hippo riders were still the best army, but you had a serious battle on hard mode with those. I think there are a lot of good utility air units in this game- Odin's Ravens and Caladria were both mentioned for example. Stymphalians are solid myth unit assassins and not bad otherwise on a race who have a severe shortage of good myth units to compete with them anyway. Vermillion Birds are nuts though. They're pretty much strictly better than all other air units and even after fixing the infamous bug where they used their special attack non-stop, they're still incredibly dangerous.
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Random Note: I am extremely grateful for the Heroes in AoM being distinct models and having auras to make them stand out. I'm saying this because I did the first Dracula mission of the Forgotten Empires Expansions in AoEII and lost at the very end, because the game thought it was a good idea that have you escort 4 nondescript units through like a hundred units fighting in a tight area. Between this and the Path of the Dragon Expansion, i'm beginning to think Forgotten Empires aren't exactly the most balance and polish minded team. (Well, they're modders, but still)
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Can someone remind me what to type in the URL to always get to the last post of this thread?
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Melth posted:Can someone remind me what to type in the URL to always get to the last post of this thread? Go to your bookmarks, hover above the name in the thread's "killed by" section to the right, and right click -> "copy link address" In case of this thread, it should be: code:
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RandomMagus posted:Ovid's Metamorphoses, yes? My Classical Mythologies prof was of the opinion that Ovid wrote that as an "up yours" to Augustus Caesar who aspired to godhood. "Look at all these gods who are terrible people". Romans were very strange when it came to Gods and religion. Among other things they were wont to do was to "convert" their enemies gods to their side. As in, they go to war with the stereotypical ancient greeks, and feel that Zeus is against them, so they set up an altar, four goats, and a bull, and now Zeus is on the Roman's side because they sacrificed properly to him! Also, their most rules-lawyery of moves was that, in order to have Casus Belli properly they had to technically go to their enemy's territory, read out their grievances and the price to atone for those grievances, and give a final date for the enemy to attempt to fulfill the price. If the price wasn't met, Rome has a legal reason to go to war. Kicker is, as Rome expanded it became difficult for a Priest of Mars to hike his way all around the continent, so the Roman's just designated a field IN ROME as a generic "Enemy Territory", and fulfilled all the terms and conditions to go to war without leaving the walls. So yeah, everyone they fought could technically have gotten out of the war, but they'd have to show up on the proverbial White House Lawn to do it.
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Counting on Roman tradition and law to prevent them from warring with you doesn't always work, see: Gaul
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cheetah7071 posted:Counting on Roman tradition and law to prevent them from warring with you doesn't always work, see: Gaul Or Parthia. Luckily for them the guy who started the most clearly illegal war in Roman history was also the guy most clearly unqualified to lead it intelligently.
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Got a source for that stuff? I don't doubt its veracity considering all the expanionist wars Rome went through in the name of "defense", but I can't find a mention of such legal tqisting on Google.
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NGDBSS posted:Got a source for that stuff? I don't doubt its veracity considering all the expanionist wars Rome went through in the name of "defense", but I can't find a mention of such legal tqisting on Google. Dunno about Parthia, but in the case of Gaul, Caesar just sort of started fighting without bothering to ask the senate to declare war
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cheetah7071 posted:Counting on Roman tradition and law to prevent them from warring with you doesn't always work, see: Gaul Well, not entirely... I always heard of one small village of indomitable Gauls holding out against the Roman invaders.
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NGDBSS posted:Got a source for that stuff? I don't doubt its veracity considering all the expanionist wars Rome went through in the name of "defense", but I can't find a mention of such legal tqisting on Google. Ritual of Rerum Repetitio carried out by Fetiales. Digging up the Wiki entry, quote:The ritual of rerum repetitio, a request of restitution or reparations, involved the pater patratus. Wearing a woolen hair-band, he was to announce Roman demands using a series of prescribed phrases, first at the enemy's frontier, then when he passes over the borders, again to the first man he meets, again on entering the enemy's gate, and again on entering the forum at the presence of local magistrates. If the demands are not met, the pater patratus declares war within 33 days and returns to Rome to await the resolution of the Roman king and senate. Once they have resolved to go to war, a fetial returns to the enemy frontier carrying a javelin with a steel or burnt tip, and dipped in blood. He declares war on the enemy, and throws the javelin into their territory. So I was a TOUCH off. And I don't have Jstor anymore because I'm not at college, but the Romans literally had a field designated "Enemy Territory" specifically to fulfill this ritual. It's mostly mentioned in Livy.
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It kinda feels like the beginning of the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy to me. You could have avoided the war if you had gone to our field and listened to the ritual, in latin. If you can't be bothered it's not our fault we're burning your towns and salting your fields.
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The next episode went up last night! Definitely not this morning. That would make it late. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHqpMr7aJEM
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I love that the great tree is an actual tree in terms of game logic that would give 20k wood once chopped down if not for the scenario removing it by trigger. This also results in the villagers working on it be considered woodcutters for AI purposes so after the great tree disappears, they spread around to cut other trees just as the map ends.
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I suspect that the variants of the myth that have the palace of Byblos being a temporary resting place for Osiris' body didn't come out of people thinking it made a better story, but rather out of Byblosians wanting to insert themselves into the myths of their neighbor, possibly while said neighbor ruled them. You see the same thing with Rome claiming it was founded by Trojans in order to insert themselves into the Greek mythic world (while still remaining distinct from the Greeks).
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