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They did the warp speed limit thing about the ozone holes? I think the problem is that there hasn't been a trek made since climate change has been a mainstream issue. Yes, actual scientists have known this is a huge threat for a very long time, but it was still some how "controversial" even 10 years ago and it still is at the regressive fringe. Classic trek was at the bleeding edge of some social issues in the 60's (yet regressive for the time on others, like women). TNG was also progressive for its time on some issues but not others (GAYS ARE GROSS!!!!). DS9 was great and touched on tons of things but I can't think of any single controversial contemporary issue they tackled in an obvious way(although did manage to piss off a ton of nerd by saying racism was and still is a thing), and Voyager abandoned all sense of morality or decency. ENT took the brave post 9/11 stance that torture and preemptive war are good.
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Baronjutter posted:They did the warp speed limit thing about the ozone holes? No, see, that one doesn't count because it was a metaphor and at no point did all the crew stare at the camera and go "This is about environmentalism."
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Jul 11, 2017 20:04
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WampaLord posted:No, see, that one doesn't count because it was a metaphor and at no point did all the crew stare at the camera and go "This is about environmentalism." "Number one, the zero-point temperature of subspace is rising steadily every year. It would normally thin the numbers of the Spucebarkians but the increased amount of subspace radiation sustains their populations." "drat those Ferengi corporations. drat galactic warming." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teS11jE95WM&t=65s
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WampaLord posted:No, see, that one doesn't count because it was a metaphor and at no point did all the crew stare at the camera and go "This is about environmentalism." This isn't what I'm saying at all. Baronjutter posted:I think the problem is that there hasn't been a trek made since climate change has been a mainstream issue. This probably has more to do with it and is why I'm interested to see if Discovery will deal with the reality of it or not. UNFCCC was in 1992 so it's not like nobody knew about it when DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise were being made, but then again it's still too controversial topic for some people to get their heads out of the sand.
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Jul 11, 2017 20:50
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The zero point energy of the universe increasing would be super bad because if it ever collapsed back to a lower state I think everything would explode. Like everything.
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Jul 11, 2017 20:52
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Arglebargle III posted:The zero point energy of the universe increasing would be super bad because if it ever collapsed back to a lower state I think everything would explode. Like everything. Well that has an easy solution--just keep doing whatever space pollution you're doing to heat it up!
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Jul 11, 2017 21:10
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skasion posted:This probably has more to do with it and is why I'm interested to see if Discovery will deal with the reality of it or not. UNFCCC was in 1992 so it's not like nobody knew about it when DS9, Voyager, and Enterprise were being made, but then again it's still too controversial topic for some people to get their heads out of the sand. In-universe I imagine climate change matters aren't a big problem because the Federation's main source of day-to-day power is nuclear fusion, and their transportation equipment doesn't run on fossil fuels. (I guess there are hobbyist dune buggies but I imagine they replicate the gas. Replicated gas probably has a low climate impact.) Out of universe I guess you have the challenge of how you write a dramatic story that is about climate change AND NOT ALSO about something else, primarily. Like, refugees? Now it's a refugee story. Corrupt polluter conspiracy? Now it's an uncovering-corruption story. Etc. Do you just have the main characters sit and have a sober conversation about how Earth is ruined now due to ancient warlord Donald Trump? I'm reminded of one of the criticisms of "The Matrix," the original one, which is that it didn't bring up things like "Project for a New American Century."
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Jul 11, 2017 21:20
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I mean obviously climate change isn't going to be a problem for the Federation, they are basically magical land of Oz and don't have to worry about it for the same reasons they don't have to worry about poverty, disease, nationalism, racism, etc. (in the TNG episode with the warp speed limit Picard straight up says to the aliens "we'll just give you guys a weather control device"). And I'm not even saying they should do stories about it since its being a solved problem basically must be a fait accompli for Star Trek to take place at all. It's just weird to me that Trek has not yet incorporated something like that into the highly elastic fictional history it presents, when it has no problems bunging in
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Jul 11, 2017 21:30
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I don't know, I remember growing up when TNG was originally airing and things like climate change weren't even on my mind back then. The hole in the o-zone was a huge deal, though, and it completely went over my head that the episode about limiting warp speed was Star trek's way of discussing that subject.
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Jul 11, 2017 22:09
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:The hole in the o-zone was a huge deal I guess the whole numa numa thing was more Enterprise-era
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Jul 11, 2017 22:17
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Rocko's Modern Life had the best episode on the hole in the ozone
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Jul 11, 2017 22:20
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We called it global warming back then and learned about it in Weekly Reader.
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Jul 11, 2017 22:24
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The final episode of loving Dinosaurs was probably the hardest hitting climate change poo poo that's ever been on TV.
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Jul 11, 2017 22:31
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Alright, 'In the Pale Moonlight', let's go. This is one you all rate highly, right?
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Jul 11, 2017 22:32
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The_Doctor posted:Alright, 'In the Pale Moonlight', let's go. YES YES YES
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Jul 11, 2017 22:33
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The_Doctor posted:Alright, 'In the Pale Moonlight', let's go. One of the best DS9 episodes
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Jul 11, 2017 22:33
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The_Doctor posted:Alright, 'In the Pale Moonlight', let's go. Coming from Dr. Who I might not watch it because you could die from sudden exposure to quality television.
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Jul 11, 2017 22:45
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"I was going to bring the Romulans into the war." ohhhh poo poo
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Jul 11, 2017 22:45
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Arglebargle III posted:Coming from Dr. Who I might not watch it because you could die from sudden exposure to quality television. Nice try. 
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Jul 11, 2017 22:46
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The_Doctor posted:"I was going to bring the Romulans into the war." The Sisko owns so much.
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Jul 11, 2017 22:47
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This Sisko/Dax role play is really good
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Jul 11, 2017 22:49
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The_Doctor posted:This Sisko/Dax role play is really good It's one of the few times a scene with dax pulling on her wise old diplomat experience actually worked and made for a good scene.
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Jul 11, 2017 22:50
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Betazed?! Lwaxana no! 
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Jul 11, 2017 22:53
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Kazinsal posted:If you told me five years ago I'd be more excited for a sci-fi series written by and starring Seth MacFarlane than a new Star Trek I would ask you what sanitarium you escaped from. I would like to point out that I posted this back in February before his new show was announced and I had said it before then: Lowen SoDium posted:Seth MacFarlane is one of the few creative types I have heard talk about Star Trek that made me think they actually understood it. It's times like this that I think to my self that I should really choose my wishes more carefully...
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Baronjutter posted:The final episode of loving Dinosaurs was probably the hardest hitting climate change poo poo that's ever been on TV. I heard it wasn't supposed to be the last episode but they knew they weren't going to get the go-ahead to finish the remaining episodes in the season so they reached through the television and said, "You see those dinosaurs? gently caress those dinosaurs"
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Jul 11, 2017 22:59
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The Sisko looking right at the camera is really off putting.
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Jul 11, 2017 23:00
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The_Doctor posted:The Sisko looking right at the camera is really off putting. Unsettling I'd say instead. The payoff is worth it either way.
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Jul 11, 2017 23:09
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Yes unsettling is a better word. Brooks is selling the hell out of this.
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Jul 11, 2017 23:18
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OH! This is where the 'It's a faaaake!' is from! It's such a weird line read.
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Jul 11, 2017 23:36
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Oh shiiiiiit
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"...I can live with it." drat, that was so good. 
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Jul 11, 2017 23:44
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The_Doctor posted:"...I can live with it." There is no two ways about it: the very best episode of trek. " Mr Garak will be along shortly to see you " " Garak? He's... here?"
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Watching the Defector. This is one hell of a cold open (medieval guys talking in a field then medieval Data comes up and starts shakespearing at them)
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Jul 12, 2017 01:43
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Lol it just cut away to Picard, in starfleet uniform, mouthing Data's lines to him like this https://vine.co/v/iJbUWJaEmhX This episode is gonna be really good.
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Jul 12, 2017 01:45
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And Patrick Stewart is also playing one of the medieval guys Data's with? My god
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Jul 12, 2017 01:46
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Data was listing the last names of famous Shakespearean actors he was emulating, but the list didn't include "Stewart." Come on, I would have forgiven you
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Jul 12, 2017 01:48
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Based on the Romulans being sneaky and fiercely loyal to the empire, I'm going to give 3:2 odds this is a fake defection.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Based on the Romulans being sneaky and fiercely loyal to the empire, I'm going to give 3:2 odds this is a fake defection. Looks like Riker's as suspicious as I am.
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I hope the TNG fashion blog has multiple articles dedicated to just the shoulderpads on that Romulan's outfit.
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Yeah that episode is good in that the viewer's immediate "wait, but--" is the actual point of the episode
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