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Edge & Christian posted:I mean, "Secret Empire leads into Generations via some sort of "VANISHING POINT" was something Marvel straight up announced almost a month ago so I don't think you need to be an inside leaker to have said something about that. Ah, then it's bullshit then. EDIT: Also, I do love how Alonso was like "No no, this isn't an alternate reality or time travel story." and yet it basically is. Not that I mind, like... what else was generations going to be? We'll always have the glory of Jean Grey being her own Legacy Hero. Young Jean Grey from the past time traveled to the present, the legacy of Old Jean Grey, who presumably lived everything YJG did minus the time travel. Onmi fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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SilverSupernova posted:Is Havok still inverted from Axis? I stopped following him after that so I have no clue. Who loving knows - I was sort of following Iron-Man after Axis when he was still a dick, got busy and fell off, and then apparently they just ignored that it was never resolved (or was it Secret Wars and incursion fuckery? I can't remember). Like anything in comics, it seems to be there for them to sweep under the rug, or use as a linchpin.
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Jul 13, 2017 21:33
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Donde Esta posted:Who loving knows - I was sort of following Iron-Man after Axis when he was still a dick, got busy and fell off, and then apparently they just ignored that it was never resolved (or was it Secret Wars and incursion fuckery? I can't remember). Like anything in comics, it seems to be there for them to sweep under the rug, or use as a linchpin. Iron Man was definitely still axis switched when the final incursion happened at least in The Avengers books.
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Jul 13, 2017 21:48
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Inverted Tony and old Steve died at the end of Avengers/ beginning of Secret Wars. Then there was a small reset to 1 year ago. I suppose the writers really wanted to bring back original Tony but keep around old Steve. It makes sense because then Marvel got to publish Captain America: Sam Wilson and Captain America: Steve Rogers concurrently.
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Jul 13, 2017 21:57
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Billzasilver posted:Inverted Tony and old Steve died at the end of Avengers/ beginning of Secret Wars. Well, aside from the 8 or so people on the life raft, everyone died at the end of Avengers. It's really inconsistent what happens during the build up to Secret Wars still happens, Steve is no longer inverted and it's at least not public knowledge that the Illuminati built doomsday and were at least complicit in interdimensional genocide, but Squadron Supreme still knows Namor blew up Not the DC Universe. Ms Marvel notes that everyone thought the world was gonna end so most of the stuff building up to Last Days should still have happened.
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Jul 13, 2017 22:45
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Donde Esta posted:I have no clue for Firestar, but Havok is a dumb one to get hung-up on. Guy's brother died and he nearly died himself because of the Terrigen cloud -- I hardly expect him to be the poster-boy of equity and rationality toward the Inhumans, especially if he's being pushed. BrianWilly posted:It's especially lovely that apparently the bar for whether it makes sense for characters to become actual fascists now is so low that you basically meet the criteria if you were kinda shady and irritable one day or something?
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Jul 13, 2017 23:51
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BrianWilly posted:It's especially lovely that apparently the bar for whether it makes sense for characters to become actual fascists now is so low that you basically meet the criteria if you were kinda shady and irritable one day or something? It's still a dumb lovely story, don't get me wrong.
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Jul 14, 2017 00:07
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New Tian itself is a fascist state. (From Secret Empire: United) Havok, Firestar, and Wolfsbane (and others) don't have to know their mutant government is working for Hydra when the mutant government itself is no different from Hydra.
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Jul 14, 2017 00:27
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I'm pretty sure there were people in Vichy France that honestly thought they weren't a puppet of the Nazi regime.
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Jul 14, 2017 00:56
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BrianWilly posted:New Tian itself is a fascist state. It's almost as if you can have Spencer point and say:. "Look! Even the mutants (minorities, nebulous other) is just as bad when put in power! No one should do anything ever cause deep down we are all facsists!" I'm still of the mind set that a Remender or Aaron, or gently caress even Bendis written Magneto would be waging a huge loving war against Nazsteve all by himself and or keeping New Tian from going that direction at all. I know I know I continuously harp on how Magneto should or wouldn't be doing stuff, but gently caress me it's true! He straight up gibbed Red Skull to kick off Axis without hesitation. Why the gently caress would he be different here? Jiro fucked around with this message at 01:13 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Jul 14, 2017 01:11
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Venom has an Eddie Brock/Moon Girl team-up. I never knew I needed this. 
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BrianWilly posted:New Tian itself is a fascist state.
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Jiro posted:It's almost as if you can have Spencer point and say:. "Look! Even the mutants (minorities, nebulous other) is just as bad when put in power! No one should do anything ever cause deep down we are all facsists!" Why? He spent a majority of his existence claiming superiority over humans. He never seemed to have had a problem with fascism, and for most of his history, he was exactly that character you described in your first paragraph. His response to being thrown in a concentration camp was to intensify his tribalism and lash out at humans. Even HydraCap, who hands him Brown-Coat-wearing Red Skull's head in a box, acknowledges that at best, such a gesture delays the inevitable. Magneto will come for him, not out of benevolence, but because he believes he should be there and in that seat as the superior being. Edit: I'll be the first to admit that Magneto is a wildly inconsistent character in the Marvel Universe and they can't decide if he's anti-hero/hero/self-preservationist/savior/idealist/pragmatist or what. Donde Esta fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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You make it sound one guy got cut in line and woke-up the next morning thinking "Gee, I should really polish up my evil doer jackboots today." I mean, Nazi Germany just all woke up one morning and decided they were going to gently caress the world, right?
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Jul 14, 2017 04:58
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I know comic civilians (especially Marvel's) have memories so short they would make a Goldfish blush, but after Secret Empire finishes up is everyone just gonna go back to normal like nothing happened after a Nazi wizard cult ran the country for several months or California seceded and was run as a mutant supremacist state? The obvious answer is they'll just reset the universe/mindwipe everyone again but they've done that so much lately it's getting ridiculous to be invested in any story when they say it was the equivalent of "All A Dream" anytime something of consequence happens.
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Jul 14, 2017 06:51
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Magneto is still trying to lay low and let people think he's dead. He's sending his team out to do what they can.
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Donde Esta posted:Why? He spent a majority of his existence claiming superiority over humans. He never seemed to have had a problem with fascism, and for most of his history, he was exactly that character you described in your first paragraph. His response to being thrown in a concentration camp was to intensify his tribalism and lash out at humans. are you really questioning why magneto would want to beat up nazis or people helping nazis. even if he was still full on brotherhood of evil mutants magneto, he'd be against nazis because he's magneto
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Edge & Christian posted:I mean by this standard, anyone who's been a cop or SHIELD agent in the Marvel Universe at any point in publication history has been an ACTUAL FASCIST. This isn't as ridiculous a statement as you probably think it is.
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Manatee Cannon posted:are you really questioning why magneto would want to beat up nazis or people helping nazis. even if he was still full on brotherhood of evil mutants magneto, he'd be against nazis because he's magneto Magneto opposes Nazis, which is good - but this does not make Magneto's ideology right. If you want to be clever you could see things like "Magneto is right, he hates Nazis so he's OK in my book," and so on, are actually demonstrations of how seductive this style of thinking and arguing can be. It is really easy for us to say these things because mutants are not real, of course.
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Donde Esta posted:Even HydraCap, who hands him Brown-Coat-wearing Red Skull's head in a box, acknowledges that at best, such a gesture delays the inevitable. Magneto will come for him, not out of benevolence, but because he believes he should be there and in that seat as the superior being. You got that a little backwards. Steve gives Magneto RS's head but pretty much says "Look, officially speaking, I'm not giving you California... but I'm giving you California, because I don't wanna deal with you guys' poo poo while I'm enacting my evil takeover. But sooner or later, I'm coming to take it back because my people will demand it. But hey, maybe you could build some grand society and give me a run for my money or something!" So Magneto and Steve both acknowledge that war will happen, but only because Steve will only be able to let this ruse last for so long.
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Donde Esta posted:You make it sound one guy got cut in line and woke-up the next morning thinking "Gee, I should really polish up my evil doer jackboots today." I mean, Nazi Germany just all woke up one morning and decided they were going to gently caress the world, right? Like, if you wanna realtalk this thing? Name one instance where Havok has badmouthed the Inhumans. Literally one.
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You know what else is bad? When Heroes have like a contingency for other heroes. Like Batman's the most popular, but in CW2 Tony had the armor to fight Carol and handle her energy and it's like... Do you spend all day coming up with ideas on how to beat up your mates or something?
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Jul 14, 2017 08:12
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Not sure how I feel about Unbeatable Squirrel Girl having planes that actually land in the Savage Land without crashing. Anyone else enjoying Defenders? Another good addition to the "Punisher getting owned" file.
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Onmi posted:You know what else is bad? When Heroes have like a contingency for other heroes. Like Batman's the most popular, but in CW2 Tony had the armor to fight Carol and handle her energy and it's like... Do you spend all day coming up with ideas on how to beat up your mates or something? Honestly, if I was a properly paranoid tech wizard who routinely hangs out with living gods, I might have a carefully guarded "what do I do if they go nuts" file myself. I think it was JMS Spidey who said, basically, they all think about it. They've been mind-controlled too often to do otherwise, so Spidey has at least an idea of what he'd do if he had to go up against most other heroes in a life-or-death setting. He just doesn't want to talk about it. (The example there was the Hulk, and I've always wanted to ask JMS what he thought his Peter's anti-Hulk plan would be.)
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Wanderer posted:Honestly, if I was a properly paranoid tech wizard who routinely hangs out with living gods, I might have a carefully guarded "what do I do if they go nuts" file myself.
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Wanderer posted:(The example there was the Hulk, and I've always wanted to ask JMS what he thought his Peter's anti-Hulk plan would be.) I think it was predicated on the idea that Hulk needs to turn back into Banner so he can "cool off" and avoid overloading on radiation or something like that. He was fighting a Hulk-like creature in that story who didn't and couldn't change back into a "Banner" and in the end started to fall apart the more he taxed himself fighting Spider-Man. I'm not sure if that's how the Hulk works or if it's just how Peter Parker (or JMS, as the case may be) thinks the Hulk works.
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Onmi posted:You know what else is bad? When Heroes have like a contingency for other heroes. Like Batman's the most popular, but in CW2 Tony had the armor to fight Carol and handle her energy and it's like... Do you spend all day coming up with ideas on how to beat up your mates or something? I liked it in Vision where Tony had a contingency for Vision going nuts that completely didnt do poo poo.
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Marvel Legacy renumbering is wild.   Deadpool gets all of Cable & Deadpool, but Cable doesn't get Cable: Blood & Metal or Cable & X-Force. And neither of them get Deadpool/Cable: Split Second. 
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galagazombie posted:I know comic civilians (especially Marvel's) have memories so short they would make a Goldfish blush, but after Secret Empire finishes up is everyone just gonna go back to normal like nothing happened after a Nazi wizard cult ran the country for several months or California seceded and was run as a mutant supremacist state? The obvious answer is they'll just reset the universe/mindwipe everyone again but they've done that so much lately it's getting ridiculous to be invested in any story when they say it was the equivalent of "All A Dream" anytime something of consequence happens. To be fair, everyone remembers that Carol Danvers is the best superhero in the world and did the absolute right thing. Yaas, queen!
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JordanKai posted:Marvel Legacy renumbering is wild.
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Waffleman_ posted:To be fair, everyone remembers that Carol Danvers is the best superhero in the world and did the absolute right thing. Yaas, queen! That's just cause Carol has an in-universe PR Agent.
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Henry loving Kissinger has a Noble Peace Prize, so people thinking Carol did nothing wrong in universe makes a certain kind of sense.
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I just love Marvel's tactic of trying to make a character popular and beloved by insisting that they already are and hoping people just go along with it.
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JordanKai posted:Marvel Legacy renumbering is wild. Are they doing little cards like this for every renumbered title?
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JordanKai posted:Marvel Legacy renumbering is wild. Well, I'm going to be dropping Cable. Ed Brisson has thus far been a very bland writer.
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Waffleman_ posted:I just love Marvel's tactic of trying to make a character popular and beloved by insisting that they already are and hoping people just go along with it. The sad part is I think most people were on board with the idea behind the push but then Marvel utterly wasted it with a meandering series of garbage runs on her own title and by making her Captain Thoughtcrime in CWII. Almost all the goodwill towards Carol has basically dried up at this point.
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pubic works project posted:Are they doing little cards like this for every renumbered title? Yes, they will be inside the books and Diamond is putting them in the retailer tools so we can print them and put them out next to the renumbered issue.
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Sentinel Red posted:The sad part is I think most people were on board with the idea behind the push but then Marvel utterly wasted it with a meandering series of garbage runs on her own title and by making her Captain Thoughtcrime in CWII. Almost all the goodwill towards Carol has basically dried up at this point. The issue is they have no understanding of why people liked Carol Danvers in the first place.  I always liked this post. Why I like Carol Danvers posted:I like Carol Danvers. I actually consider myself a fan of the character. Now, none (NONE) of her ongoing comics were ever above the “decent by american superheroes standards” (a low-tier decent), but still, Ms. Marvel v.2 was one of the first cape comics I started following, my gateway into this horrible obsession hobby I have now (Sana Takeda’s beautiful artworks and covers caught my attention), so I think I owe the character a bit. I've been enjoying their Civil War II parody. Which is probably much better than the actual Civil War II.    
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So Matt was going to try to gently caress Gwenpoole right? And teams need to talk to each other; in X-men Blue Archangel takes down the O5 and is clearly on the side of New Tian, but then in Secret Warriors he comes and helps Quakes team escape from Hyde's helicarrier. Who the hell is Leer? I also have a hard time believing Taskmaster could beat Karnak. And that is good summery of why i like Captain Marvel as well, though I also like how she is legitimately good friends with a lot of the Marvel Universe. Her and Wolverine being buds was always great.
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