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Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Konomex posted:

Could well be?

It would be successful, no question. He had dual citizenship, dual citizens cannot be parliamentarians, that's it.

The Guardian posted:

The key question [of a previous case] � and one that split the high court bench five to two � was whether either [defendant] had taken �reasonable steps� to renounce their second citizenship.

The court agreed that what was �reasonable� depended on the circumstances of each case. Particularly relevant for Ludlam, should he choose to challenge, is his awareness of past citizenship. The high court held that if an individual believed their past citizenship had been renounced through the process of Australian naturalisation, that should be taken into account.

...

Much has changed since 1992. New Australian citizens are no longer required to renounce foreign allegiances during citizenship ceremonies, instead simply declaring their �loyalty� to Australia.

The wording of the constitution is unambiguous. But it does raise complex and difficult questions. What would happen, for example, if a refugee who had fled political persecution was required to seek renunciation past citizenship from a potentially hostile government?

Or, in Ludlam�s case, what happens when an individual maintains they were genuinely oblivious of a former citizenship?

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:08

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Lid: Feb 18, 2005; And the mercy seat is awaiting,
And I think my head is burning,
And in a way I'm yearning,
To be done with all this measuring of proof.
An eye for an eye
And a tooth for a tooth,
And anyway I told the truth,
And I'm not afraid to die.

Solemn Sloth posted:

The person who replaces him is the 3rd person on the ticket, because a recount is triggered rather than a vacancy. Welcome to the Australian senate anonymous 21 year old university green

Close!

They're 22.

http://www.communitynews.com.au/guardian-express/news/jordan-steele-john-a-young-green-pollie-in-waiting-scott-ludlam/

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:09

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

Solemn Sloth posted:

The person who replaces him is the 3rd person on the ticket, because a recount is triggered rather than a vacancy. Welcome to the Australian senate anonymous 21 year old university green

Thats who I am talking about, the guy who was third on the ticket would make a decent senator, he does a lot of advocacy for people with disabilities, and he has already said that he would rather put the nomimation out to the membership to vote on than just accept it immediately.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:11

Cleretic: Feb 3, 2010; Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

Anidav posted:

Hahahaha

Can it get any worse for The Greens?

Like holy poo poo this has been a bad year for them

No, it has been a bad month for the Greens, come on man. I know you want to funnel people into the Salties out of some baffling thought they'd somehow be splitting less than 'once maybe but not likely' but don't lie.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:15

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Hobo Erotica posted:

gently caress. You're from WA aren't you? You seem relatively switched on, can you either get elected or at least make sure that someone in the senate estimates is asking the right questions, tia.

fun fact, when I was down in albany I gave serious consideration to running for council as a greens aligned councillor. Diane Evers was going to coach me through the process and give me all the support I needed. At the time I said no, because I was still newish in town and wanted to put down some more roots and get to know more people and the processes better. Fast forward a couple of months, I get ross river fever, break up with my long term partner and give up, going back to Perth. Then she gets elected to the senate.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:16

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

/\/\ Well there you go.

Gorilla Salad posted:

That's exactly what they're counting on.

"The company is currently giving out 3.2 billion lightweight plastic bags per year."

So, 3.2billion times $0.15 gives $480million.

So, for a small increase in costs (thicker bags) Woolworths will now be making almost half a billion dollars a year off something they previously gave away for free.

(They'll move a lot less than 3.2 billion if they're not free though)

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:16

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

NPR Journalizard posted:

fun fact, when I was down in albany I gave serious consideration to running for council as a greens aligned councillor. Diane Evers was going to coach me through the process and give me all the support I needed. At the time I said no, because I was still newish in town and wanted to put down some more roots and get to know more people and the processes better. Fast forward a couple of months, I get ross river fever, break up with my long term partner and give up, going back to Perth. Then she gets elected to the senate.

if you ever decide to run i will help you campaign

i'll even rent you taco at a very reasonable rate

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:18

Anidav: Feb 25, 2010; ahhh fuck its the rats again

I just want red flag waving goons to kick down some doors and go Louis XVI on these clowns in congress

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:19

million dollar mack: Aug 20, 2006; Larson ain't getting this cow.

I ~~hope~~ wonder if this will draw attention to the fact that Abbott probably never renounced his dual-citizenship either.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:21

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

GoldStandardConure posted:

if you ever decide to run i will help you campaign

i'll even rent you taco at a very reasonable rate

I have also given strong consideration, along with a few friends, to running as an independent and appeal to fringe crazies and then just vote with the greens if I get elected. The left needs more small parties to counteract the right wing loonies that seem to pop up everywhere. I dont think I could handle the public scrutiny though.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:23

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

NPR Journalizard posted:

I have also given strong consideration, along with a few friends, to running as an independent and appeal to fringe crazies and then just vote with the greens if I get elected. The left needs more small parties to counteract the right wing loonies that seem to pop up everywhere. I dont think I could handle the public scrutiny though.

Where? Like, federal senate, or local council? Former or bust imo.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:25

GoldStandardConure: Jun 11, 2010; I have to kill fast
and mayflies too slow; Pillbug

NPR Journalizard posted:

I have also given strong consideration, along with a few friends, to running as an independent and appeal to fringe crazies and then just vote with the greens if I get elected. The left needs more small parties to counteract the right wing loonies that seem to pop up everywhere. I dont think I could handle the public scrutiny though.

Change your last name to "White" and run under the name "Whites Australia Party" and watch the votes flood in.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:27

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE

Guess I wont be running for office, then :/

Goddammit why does it always have to be the good ones that actually do the right thing and follow the rules. Stupid Ludlam!

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:38

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Hobo Erotica posted:

Where? Like, federal senate, or local council? Former or bust imo.

It was local council down in albany, but in perth I was thinking about state senate.

GoldStandardConure posted:

Change your last name to "White" and run under the name "Whites Australia Party" and watch the votes flood in.

thats loving genius

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:41

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

FEDERAL SENATE OR BUST

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:44

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Hobo Erotica posted:

FEDERAL SENATE OR BUST

Nah man, if you ever want a foolproof retirement plan, become a backbencher and do nothing. Just dont gently caress up. Thats it. Thats all you have to do to get 6 figures and a slack rear end job.

Federal senate has too many people watching it.

Plus, with the feds trying to push more and more poo poo onto the states, you can change the system from within.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 06:53

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

NPR Journalizard posted:

Nah man, if you ever want a foolproof retirement plan, become a backbencher and do nothing. Just dont gently caress up. Thats it. Thats all you have to do to get 6 figures and a slack rear end job.

Federal senate has too many people watching it.

Plus, with the feds trying to push more and more poo poo onto the states, you can change the system from within.

Oh right I thought we were talking about getting stuff done/heard/debated. In which case yes, I would argue that people watching it is the point.

If it's a cushy retirement plan you're after then knock yourself out.

Next topic: Abolish (/dramatically reduce the political importance of) the States.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:00

iajanus: Aug 17, 2004; NUMBER 1 QUEENSLAND SUPPORTER
MAROONS 2023 STATE OF ORIGIN CHAMPIONS FOR LIFE

Hobo Erotica posted:

Oh right I thought we were talking about getting stuff done/heard/debated. In which case yes, I would argue that people watching it is the point.

If it's a cushy retirement plan you're after then knock yourself out.

Next topic: Abolish (/dramatically reduce the political importance of) the States.

could we just smash the state[s]? seems easier

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:03

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

So now I need to buy the bag as opposed getting a free one. I still need bags to line my kitchen bin, so, bottom line is plasgic bags still gona get recycled but no longer free, a few extra bucks for woolworths shareholders thats all.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:09

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-05-24/war-on-waste-what-bags-to-use/8528350

quote:

That's why Dr Verghese's study found that encouraging people to buy reusable bags without making sure these bags actually get reused an adequate number of times results in a worse result for the environment overall.
As an example, if polypropylene bags (those green bags that you can buy at the supermarket) are only used 52 times then their impact on global warming is actually greater than that of single-use plastic bags.
How many uses should you be getting out of reusable bags? The study from Dr Verghese puts the figure at 104 � that's weekly for two years.

They don't last that long

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:24

EoinCannon: Aug 29, 2008; Grimey Drawer

I'm buying string bags I reckon

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:33

PaletteSwappedNinja: Jun 3, 2008; One Nation, Under God.

Ragingsheep posted:

lmao apparently this has been around for a while now

https://www.change.org/p/scott-ludl...illegally#share

No kidding, I'm surprised this is only coming to a head now. Why didn't it gain traction earlier, I wonder?

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:40

Don Dongington: Sep 27, 2005; #ideasboom; College Slice

iajanus posted:

could we just smash the state[s]? seems easier

I'm down for creating a Goon party where we run on a Ludlam-esque platform of technologically-aware-slightly-libertarian-staunchly-economic-leftism, albeit with 100% less Assange worship.

Bonus points if our motto can be "Smash the State and Masturbate".

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:45

Tasmantor: Aug 13, 2007; Horrid abomination

Just buy a Nanna trolley you dumb shits.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:47

I would blow Dane Cook: Dec 26, 2008

PaletteSwappedNinja posted:

No kidding, I'm surprised this is only coming to a head now. Why didn't it gain traction earlier, I wonder?

Interfactional Greens warfare?

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:47

NTRabbit: Aug 15, 2012; i wear this armour to protect myself from the histrionics of hysterical women

bitches

It's almost like this would give ~~Cheryl Kernot~~ SHY a free run at challenging for the leadership

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:52

WhiskeyWhiskers: Oct 14, 2013; "هذا ليس عادلاً."
"هذا ليس عادلاً على الإطلاق."
"كان هناك وقت الآن."
(السياق الخفي: للقراءة)

They really should reverse that rule. You can't be an Australian politician, if you have Australian citizenship.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 07:56

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

WhiskeyWhiskers posted:

They really should reverse that rule. You can't be an Australian politician, if you have Australian citizenship.

Works for our Head of State.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 08:02

bigis: Jun 21, 2006

Lol how do you not know if you hold citizenship of another country.

What an idiot.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 08:27

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

bigis posted:

Lol how do you not know if you hold citizenship of another country.

What an idiot.

gently caress off bigis its been plainly explained a bunch of times, if you are too stupid to realise who the mistake happened, you should just go kill yourself.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 08:33

bandaid.friend: Apr 25, 2017; My first car was a stick

rude

# ? Jul 14, 2017 08:40

NoNotTheMindProbe: Aug 9, 2010; pony porn was here

When is Tony Abbott going to resign for being half Welsh?

# ? Jul 14, 2017 08:42

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

million dollar mack posted:

I ~~hope~~ wonder if this will draw attention to the fact that Abbott probably never renounced his dual-citizenship either.

Yes and no.

https://twitter.com/TonyAbbottMHR/status/885750863079161856

# ? Jul 14, 2017 08:52

BBJoey: Oct 31, 2012

Hobo Erotica posted:

Next topic: Abolish (/dramatically reduce the political importance of) the States.

as a federal public servant the states are loving pieces of poo poo that i hate but also paradoxically are probably the only ones that can actually have any positive effect on the country so :shrug:

# ? Jul 14, 2017 08:57

gay picnic defence: Oct 5, 2009; I'M CONCERNED ABOUT A NUMBER OF THINGS

Doctor Spaceman posted:

Yes and no.

https://twitter.com/TonyAbbottMHR/status/885750863079161856

he probably had a copy of the magna carta or something hidden inside the bible he used to swear allegiance to australia though

# ? Jul 14, 2017 09:14

Doctor Spaceman: Jul 6, 2010; "Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

https://twitter.com/AntonyGreenABC/status/885763138418864128

# ? Jul 14, 2017 09:23

Aesculus: Mar 22, 2013

no no no no NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO scott :cry:

you were the best of us

# ? Jul 14, 2017 09:27

Bucky Fullminster: Apr 13, 2007

BBJoey posted:

as a federal public servant the states are loving pieces of poo poo that i hate but also paradoxically are probably the only ones that can actually have any positive effect on the country so

I guess my Question is are we better served by having 9 departments of roads / transport, health, education, police, etc, or would just the 1 be more efficient.

Even if it was on a case by case basis, would some things be better adminsitwred at a federal level than a state level.

# ? Jul 14, 2017 09:33

NPR Journalizard: Feb 14, 2008

Hobo Erotica posted:

I guess my Question is are we better served by having 9 departments of roads / transport, health, education, police, etc, or would just the 1 be more efficient.

Even if it was on a case by case basis, would some things be better adminsitwred at a federal level than a state level.

I think some things would be better off centralised, like education, but I dont think something like road and rail planning/funding would work if it was just someone from sydney deciding for the whole nation.

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Mattjpwns: Dec 14, 2006; In joyful strains then let us sing
ADVANCE AUSTRALIA FUCKED

Yeah, I think I'm done with helping out the Greens until they get their poo poo together. This is just loving embarassing PolSci 101 stuff.

hurr durr candidate born in another country, do we double check their eligibility on rules that are taught in high school politics? nah mate she'll be fine.

e: Oh man. Between the petition from 3 years ago and the rest of the drama in the Greens, I am loving done. How long have the Greens potentially known this was an issue and ignored it? That petition was before the most recent Senate election.

Mattjpwns fucked around with this message at 10:01 on Jul 14, 2017

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