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StabbinHobo posted:give a nearby intersection or throwaway address for where you work. i will find a 2br apartment you can afford within 1 hour public transit of it with ten whole loving minutes of google and craigslist. I grew up in a commuter exurb outside Boston so lol on that first one. Nearest transit stops were each 2.5 miles away and the route was useless. At the time, minimum wage was $8 and a studio in the dangerous, crime-ridden apartment complexes started ~$750 mo. Also, the dangerous criminals were all surly white guys. Point being, this is America. Lower your expectations ever further.
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Trabisnikof posted:Otoh that's why we don't have effective public transit in many communities because it allows "those people" to use "our services." That was the argument people made in an attempt to remove the bus stops in my neighborhood growing up. And where I live now white flight is why the electric trolley system that used to connect an entire metropolis is laying unused in ruins. The older I get the more I realise that pretty much every single problem in America, from gun rights to healthcare to tipping/minimum wage, result from white resentment of the existence of the black underclass which they shipped over in the first place.
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Trabisnikof posted:Just don't tell anyone at your diybio meeting that and you should be fine. At home DNA printing has come a long way...and pirated CRISPR will be on the market soon enough. Since the Heinz committed suicide and Cambrian went under, I haven't heard a peep of anyone attempting to print DNA at a reasonable scale.
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freebooter posted:The older I get the more I realise that pretty much every single problem in America, from gun rights to healthcare to tipping/minimum wage, result from white resentment of the existence of the black underclass which they shipped over in the first place. Meanwhile, I live in a place where there's white resentment of the people who were here before white people. It's ugly racism as far as the eye can see!
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Star Man posted:Meanwhile, I live in a place where there's white resentment of the people who were here before white people. It's ugly racism as far as the eye can see! Me too, but I don't think it poisons the well to the same extent it does in America.
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Accretionist posted:Point being, this is America. Lower your expectations ever further. what the gently caress how could you possibly get this less StabbinHobo fucked around with this message at 02:58 on Jul 13, 2017 |
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Jul 13, 2017 02:52
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Climate Change: Americans change a little bit or we all die, so SEE YOU IN HELL
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Interesting to see the Climate Science community speaking out against the New York Magazine piece, including Michael Mann posting this: https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMannScientist/posts/1470539096335621quote:Since this New York Magazine article ("The Uninhabitable Earth") is getting so much play this morning, I figured I should comment on it, especially as I was interviewed by the author (though not quoted or mentioned). And even the author of the piece seems to be pulling back from the doom is inevitable edge: https://twitter.com/dwallacewells/status/884427918964916224
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great, the press is going to play out the climate change argument that we've looped on every 3 to 5 pages in this thread for the next decade
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Jul 13, 2017 02:57
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let's tone police the end of modern humanity guys woo!
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I feel a real sense of sadness when ice sheets like Larsen C break off and eventually collapse. Like a friend has left, never to return.
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BattleMoose posted:I feel a real sense of sadness when ice sheets like Larsen C break off and eventually collapse. Like a friend has left, never to return. Never name
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Jul 13, 2017 03:59
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we're in the midst of a plague of humans, the most terrible of all vengeances visited by the lord
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Trabisnikof posted:pirated CRISPR
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I know weather doesn't equal climate change but I have a friend in northern Canada near a place literally called Cold Lake and she's under a tornado watch. Also an extreme heat wave. She's getting my weather in the southern Midwest.
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cheese eats mouse posted:I know weather doesn't equal climate change but I have a friend in northern Canada near a place literally called Cold Lake and she's under a tornado watch. Also an extreme heat wave. She's getting my weather in the southern Midwest. Alberta is a vast prairie and cold lake varies between 23 and 36 degrees celcius in the summer, what you're doing here is that thing that stupid people in news comments do.
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Jul 14, 2017 04:23
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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-cars-cheaper-petrol-vehicles-decade-bloomberg-new-energy-finance-a7756731.html No worries.
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cant wait to fellate elon musk, savior of humanity
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Hmm 2030 is only 13 years away and 30 years too late for what it should have been
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SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:Hmm 2030 is only 13 years away and 30 years too late for what it should have been drat, even really good news is bad news. Everybody knows things should have been done 50 years ago, but they still need to be done anyways so this is good news.
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Jul 14, 2017 16:38
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Burt Buckle posted:drat, even really good news is bad news. Everybody knows things should have been done 50 years ago, but they still need I don't know if this really counts as complaining about good news or whatever. Even people like Alex Steffen are quick to point out that we really need to be focusing on solutions that can cut the carbon emissions curve over the next decade. Remember that the average age of a vehicle in the US is around 11 years, which means there's probably close to a ten year transition period once any vehicle technology becomes cheap and mainstream. Getting ICE cars off the road by 2040-2045ish really isn't all that exciting, especially if we haven't also drastically cut emissions from grid electricity.
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Paradoxish posted:I don't know if this really counts as complaining about good news or whatever. Even people like Alex Steffen are quick to point out that we really need to be focusing on solutions that can cut the carbon emissions curve over the next decade. Remember that the average age of a vehicle in the US is around 11 years, which means there's probably close to a ten year transition period once any vehicle technology becomes cheap and mainstream. Getting ICE cars off the road by 2040-2045ish really isn't all that exciting, especially if we haven't also drastically cut emissions from grid electricity.
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Furnaceface posted:I did a 1.5 hour commute each way for a few months. It takes its toll mentally and physically on a person and I cant imagine having to do it for much longer than I did without needing a massive pay raise to move closer. An hour is still way too drat long to commute for what amounts to a net zero or loss when you factor in the drastic rise in housing costs as you move closer to the giant city cores. Counterpoint: I bicycled 2 hours each way from Köln to Dusseldorf every work day. Not possible for everyone, but it wasn't mentally draining in any way, and I saved on gym membership. poopinmymouth fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Jul 14, 2017 17:52
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poopinmymouth posted:Counterpoint: I bicycled 2 hours each way from Köln to Dusseldorf every work day. Not possible for everyone, but it wasn't mentally draining in any way, and I saved on gym membership. This is really not realistic. I've done a 36mi commute by bike and it takes so much time, showering, and energy that you end up with no time in your day to do anything else.
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Not being sweaty or smelly at work is more important than helping to mitigate the effects of climate change.
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No, the point is that doing it this way won't work for the vast majority of people. Which I'm sure you understood anyways. vvv Oh, gently caress off. Mozi fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Yeah I'm a filthy poor who has to bike or ride the bus everywhere anyway. So whatever.
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Mozi posted:No, the point is that doing it this way won't work for the vast majority of people. Which I'm sure you understood anyways. It's just so hard to change the way I live oh man. So hard.
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Shifty Nipples posted:It's just so hard to change the way I live oh man. Not everyone is healthy enough to ride a bike 36 miles to work, friend. I would hope that our response to climate change doesn't involve culling the sick and the weak.
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pacmania90 posted:Not everyone is healthy enough to ride a bike 36 miles to work, friend. I would hope that our response to climate change doesn't involve culling the sick and the weak. That's just called being fiscally responsible aka austerity. No need to have climate change to have that happen.
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Ignore him he's just a troll. Observe:Shifty Nipples posted:Eating some pretty tasty beef jerky right now. Shifty Nipples posted:It's just so hard to change the way I live oh man.
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Orions Lord posted:http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/electric-cars-cheaper-petrol-vehicles-decade-bloomberg-new-energy-finance-a7756731.html Here, have a study: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/585c3439be65942f022bbf9b/t/591a2e4be6f2e1c13df930c5/1494888038959/RethinkX+Report_051517.pdf It's not just about electric, also automation. And even if you take the study as overly optimistic in adoption timespan, the points it makes are valid and important to take note of. So for the pessimists here in the thread: this is not just a reduction in emissions, which is good, but a wholesale collapse/restructuring of the auto and oil industries, and also millions and millions of jobs lost as the transportation industry switches to autonomous vehicles. It's a real "UBI or Bust" scenario.
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Salt Fish posted:This is really not realistic. I've done a 36mi commute by bike and it takes so much time, showering, and energy that you end up with no time in your day to do anything else. I believe you that you could not handle it, but I quite enjoyed it. Your blanket statement of "realism" is the definition of subjective. I do not sweat much, and by virtue of being a game developer do not face our customers so shorts and t-shirts was A-ok. Additionally many EU nations require companies of over a certain size to have showers on site. It was literally zero problems *for me* I even included the caveat it won't work for everyone, but it sure as hell would work for more people than are currently doing it, just as buses/trains, bikes for shorter trips, and a myriad of other small efforts could be pursued that in aggregate would drastically reduce pollution while improving fitness and reducing financial drain on healthcare systems. Literally every time I hear an (almost always american) person argue about how bikes/buses/trains would never work, I see someone in that exact situation making it work the same day here in Iceland or when I lived in Germany.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:Ignore him he's just a troll. Observe: Huh? Everyone was talking about their diet so I did too, and poo poo isn't it ok to eat cow if I don't drive or live in a single family house in the suburbs? pacmania90 posted:Not everyone is healthy enough to ride a bike 36 miles to work, friend. I would hope that our response to climate change doesn't involve culling the sick and the weak. I was born with Spina Bifida and have to wear leg braces to walk.
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BattleMoose posted:I feel a real sense of sadness when ice sheets like Larsen C break off and eventually collapse. Like a friend has left, never to return. It's about time you put that relationship on ice.
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Star Man posted:I can't think of a single job in the world that's worth spending a four-hour round trip to get to by any means of transportation. I'd rather just live close to it. One that increases your net income by 40% or more compared to local options, when you're at a socioeconomic level where doing so would significantly impact your quality of life and long-term economic safety, as opposed to merely giving you more weekend spending money because you're a well-off professional who doesn't know what true wageslavery is.
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Conspiratiorist posted:One that increases your net income by 40% or more compared to local options, when you're at a socioeconomic level where doing so would significantly impact your quality of life and long-term economic safety, as opposed to merely giving you more weekend spending money because you're a well-off professional who doesn't know what true wageslavery is. So the kind of job where I could afford just move closer to it so I don't spend half of a work day just getting to it and away from it?
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Star Man posted:So the kind of job where I could afford just move closer to it so I don't spend half of a work day just getting to it and away from it? The kind of work where if you moved closer to it you'd have effectively lost any meaningful increase in your income because of getting raped by higher rent.
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