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starkebn posted:If it doesn't get waived then I would not be impressed, Bob Day was able to walk away.  but Culleton
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Tokamak posted:When your state is a third of the country (WA by area, NSW by population), how reactive to local needs could it really be? The needs of regional NSW are different to the needs of Sydney, but the state will weigh those needs very differently. If you want a government responding to local needs wouldn't splitting the states into regional bodies (constituting the relevant councils) be a better compromise? A low population region is going to have to fight for funding regardless of whether it is with a state or federal government. Is it just me or do you seem to go back and forth a few times here... Yes, there is a lot of work being duplicated, that's why it's not fairly efficient. Local and federal governments would increase, yes, but by less than the sum total of the state govs now. We don't just fire everyone in state government, their roles get assimilated (and yes sometimes eliminated) into a more efficient structure which isn't so heavily focused on fighting the other levels of government. Like, why have Myki and Opal? Why not find one that works and roll it out everywhere? Edit - Why pay for 9 health ministers? And deputy ministers? Why pay for 8 school curriculums? And so on. Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 13:12 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Hobo Erotica posted:Like, why have Myki and Opal? Why not find one that works and roll it out everywhere? lmao neither work you dumb bastard
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Jul 14, 2017 13:18
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Hobo Erotica posted:Why pay for 8 school curriculums? https://www.australiancurriculum.edu.au/ ??????
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Birdstrike posted:lmao neither work you dumb bastard Once again, wa is the best state, because the smart rider works well. The only thing missing from it is the ability to top up via paypal.
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Jul 14, 2017 13:20
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The smart rider is indeed awesome. WA best state.
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NPR Journalizard posted:Once again, wa is the best state, because the smart rider works well. The only thing missing from it is the ability to top up via paypal. Opal wasn't too badly conceived, at least, because it was just 'let's just go get the company that made London's Oyster and get 'em to put it in with local branding, they've already done all the hard part'. Myki was obviously a total clusterfuck waste where by the time it became apparent it'd be easier and probably cheaper to just dump the project and contract it to someone who knew what they were doing, enough money had been sunk that it was politically unfeasible to do so and they had to commit to the poo poo results But yeah, the fact that once the first decent one had been established in Perth the other cities just didn't extend the system to their own network is obviously stupid. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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Birdstrike posted:lmao neither work you dumb bastard Read it again, and put smart rider at the end of it you dumb bastard edit - not that I've ever had a problem with opal, mind you. beg your pardon, nine school curriculums but sure sorry, if all the state ones are only minor tweaks of the Australian one then maybe it's not the best example, but in that case why have the 8 state departments anyway? Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 13:49 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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MikeJF posted:Opal wasn't too badly conceived, at least, because it was just 'let's just go get the company that made London's Oyster and get 'em to put it in with local branding, they've already done all the hard part'. Myki was obviously a total clusterfuck waste where by the time it became apparent it'd be easier and probably cheaper to just dump the project and contract it to someone who knew what they were doing, enough money had been sunk that it was politically unfeasible to do so and they had to commit to the poo poo results https://sites.google.com/site/cheaperthanmyki/
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Hobo Erotica posted:Read it again, and put smart rider at the end of it you dumb bastard lmao have you never had to catch a loving bus
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NPR Journalizard posted:Once again, wa is the best state, because the smart rider works well. The only thing missing from it is the ability to top up via paypal. yeah but can you fit that giant card into a hand implant huh
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MikeJF posted:Opal wasn't too badly conceived, at least, because it was just 'let's just go get the company that made London's Oyster and get 'em to put it in with local branding, they've already done all the hard part'.
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Hobo Erotica posted:Is it just me or do you seem to go back and forth a few times here... Yes, there is a lot of work being duplicated, that's why it's not fairly efficient. I go back and forth because I have no strong opinion, and I'm speculating about the benefits. On paper it sounds good, but you start thinking about what it entails. Perhaps the added complications of a stateless system could erode away any financial benefit. You might save on some health ministers, but if the bulk of the work is done by necessary public servants, you aren't going to be saving much. On the flip side if greater power is delegated to councils, then you may accidentally create a new layer of bureaucracy for cross-council co-ordination. The more I think about it, the less confident I feel about taking a stance.
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Birdstrike posted:lmao have you never had to catch a loving bus Yes? I take 2 small kids on busses and ferries and trains fairly regularly. Do you live in Sydney?
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Hobo Erotica posted:Yes? I take 2 small kids on busses and ferries and trains fairly regularly. Do you live in Sydney? no I only use opal every day that the machines aren't errored or not switched on you imbecile
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Sad about Ludlum, but he was an idiot for chancing it.BBJoey posted:Basically, if state governments run something then generally it'll be more reactive to local need, and if the federal government run something then it'll be more standardised across the country and it'll have more money behind it; either isn't a bad option depending, though obviously there are some areas where it makes sense for one side or the other to have power (eg local infrastructure and planning for state government, health and education for the feds). This was a rare good post from you  Power between the feds and states is negotiable under the Constitution, because the states have the choice to delegate it. For instance NSW refused to give up immigration for 22 years after Federation, and WA technically has a floating secession trigger but says it won't use it.We only have a choice of clusterfuck. Federation could fix more but it politically suits state and federal to maintain governing clusterfucks so we're stuck with it. They both need excuses for inaction and your post demonstrates some of the reasons.
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Birdstrike posted:no I only use opal every day that the machines aren't errored or not switched on you imbecile dude are you ok?
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Birdstrike posted:lmao neither work you dumb bastard Hold on, I know this is probably a waste of time, but what was your thought process with this one exactly? Did you think I was saying "look myki and opal are so great, we should definitely let the states keep buying all their own systems" ?
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The Metrocard in Adelaide is one of those things that was unexpectedly well rolled out. Quickly adopted, works perfectly, and cheaper than the previous system. Wins all around.
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MikeJF posted:On the other hand, how much duplication and waste exists by having to run all the overhead of seven different health departments and hospital networks, or similarly for education, instead of one. Urgh. The hospital system is even more hosed than you realise, at least in NSW and VIC. Surprisingly, QLD has it right, with only one database for the whole of the public hospitals in the state - ie. you can get tests done in a Cairns hospital and your doctors can get results from the Laboratory Information System in Brisbane. NSW has at least 4 different sectors. And none of them have any way to access for results on any other hospital besides from their sector. - Getting admitted to or having tests/x-rays etc done in Campbelltown, and Westmead won't have that history if you turned up there unconscious. Royal North Shore has its own system, same with RPA. Going to a sexual health centre in Parramatta and sexual health centres in the city or in Liverpool won't have access to those results if you swung by there. This is sorta poo poo when it comes to medicare billing because some only are allowed a set number per year, such as molecular testing for Hep C and Hep B. In theory you're not meant to have more than 4 of those tests per year if you have either Hep B or C. Any after these and you won't be covered. This is not even covering whatever Laverty, Douglas Hanley Moir, Medlab and other smaller labs do either, because that definitely isn't on any state Lab Info System.
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Hobo Erotica posted:dude are you ok? You're Gladys Berejiklian and I claim my five pounds.
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Senor Tron posted:The Metrocard in Adelaide is one of those things that was unexpectedly well rolled out. SA state ALP have mostly managed to just get poo poo done, in a time when the state has been on the edge of totally hosed due to the death of the auto industry. Not without failures and scandals, but they're batting well above the average of the rest of the country.
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NTRabbit posted:SA state ALP have mostly managed to just get poo poo done, in a time when the state has been on the edge of totally hosed due to the death of the auto industry. Not without failures and scandals, but they're batting well above the average of the rest of the country. Was having a convo with coworker today about this and agreeing it is impressive how in the last couple of years the SA ALP appears to have said gently caress it, given up a lot of political games, and just focused on doing good poo poo while they are in power. edit: However the conclusion of our conversation was along the lines of "Too little, too late, death for SA and Australia is certain". Senor Tron fucked around with this message at 16:11 on Jul 14, 2017 |
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All power to the Soviets.
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I literally cannot believe that Australia doesn't allow dual citizens to hold elected office. I suppose I shouldn't be surprised, seeing as this is a country that didn't even allow Australians to hold dual citizenship until Rupert Murdoch wanted it, but jesus...
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HookShot posted:I literally cannot believe that Australia doesn't allow dual citizens to hold elected office. Dual citizens can't hold office, but be sure to ask about our office holder sponsorship scheme! For only tens of thousands of dollars in political donations, your foreign government, company or individual can directly influence policy!
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norp posted:https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/07/14/howard-defends-trump-says-he-believes-even-less-in-climate-change-these-days/ If was old enough to not have to deal with the consequences and selfish enough to not care about others then sure, I wouldn't believe in proven science either. Banish him to the outback.
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Man it looks like Ludlam wont be returning, this being a chance for a career change for him. 
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gonna get that plum lobbying job ya see
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can't blame the dude, parliament is a toxic mess these days (all days?)
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Anidav posted:News reports are coming in of a virgin sacrifice in the Campbelltown Council Chambers and Scott Ludlum suffering from a sudden heart attack. Ludlam wouldn't come close to topping the list for this. This does make the right wingers in NSW arguing against a candidate probity process even more hilariously stupid though
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Waaaah the Christians are out to get me
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Hobo Erotica posted:beg your pardon, nine school curriculums state govs are the ones that handle distributing funding to public schools, which I assume requires a fair bit of work but the money that they distribute mostly comes straight from the federal government so they're essentially middlemen  ewe2 posted:This was a rare good post from you first of all: how dare you, how dare you even begin to imply that I've ever made a bad post. second of all, it's true that theoretically the states could more or less abolish themselves by handing authority over to the federal government. the problem of course is that they have no intrinsic incentive to do so, so the only real way for the feds to take powers assigned to the states in the constitution is to straight up bribe them with oodles of cash, which is a lose-lose from the federal side because they're essentially giving away a lot of money for the opportunity to spend even more money now on additional responsibilities. BBJoey fucked around with this message at 05:05 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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Would his replacement be the first person with cerebral palsy in the senate?
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norp posted:https://www.crikey.com.au/2017/07/14/howard-defends-trump-says-he-believes-even-less-in-climate-change-these-days/ Its okay, he is going to be dead soon.
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Tokamak posted:Its okay, he is going to be dead soon. Under no circumstances should his tombstone be used as a public urinal. No circumstances. *taps side of nose slowly* DancingShade fucked around with this message at 07:15 on Jul 15, 2017 |
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quote:Could this be Sydney’s cheapest waterfront property? Okay so it's confirmed that Domain is a deep-cover satire page now, right?
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