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Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:

Traffic when I was in Saint Petersburg was mostly completely immobile, though I think that was the fault of the Confederations Cup.

It ebbs and flows. I only ever felt safe to cross the road when everything was completely clogged and the cars couldn't move.

I must point out that I am from Scandinavia and my usual experience with traffic is not one of deathly dread, so there was a certain degree of culture shock in that regard.

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cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Randarkman posted:

It ebbs and flows. I only ever felt safe to cross the road when everything was completely clogged and the cars couldn't move.

I must point out that I am from Scandinavia and my usual experience with traffic is not one of deathly dread, so there was a certain degree of culture shock in that regard.

I had a culture shock in Sweden where I was respected as a pedestrian.

Pizdec
Dec 10, 2012

cinci zoo sniper posted:

I had a culture shock in Sweden where I was respected as a pedestrian.
Ditto. It lead to a couple of weird stalemates where I stood still fully expecting the car to go ahead while the car stood still waiting for me to pass.

Tommah posted:

Since the end of march, some guy has been making a podcast on Polish history: "The History of Poland Podcast" http://historyofpoland.libsyn.com/2017
How is it?

SaltyJesus
Jun 2, 2011

Arf!

Pizdec posted:

Ditto. It lead to a couple of weird stalemates where I stood still fully expecting the car to go ahead while the car stood still waiting for me to pass.

There's an old joke here: What happens when German discipline meets Serbian experience? A gastarbeiter and a BMW stand immobile at a pedestrian crossing, mutually letting each other go first.

VoltairePunk
Dec 26, 2012

I have become Umlaut, destroyer of words
Well decided to roll through the Balkans and can still tell you this: Eastern Europe is still loving awesome. The Balkans are almost there. Just a little too expensive. And it is somehow harder to break the girls...
Also, Croatia does really remind me of a huge Lake district (national park in the UK). Thst is not a bad thing in my book.

ugh its Troika
May 2, 2009

by FactsAreUseless

Karmalis posted:

And it is somehow harder to break the girls...

:yikes:

Grouchio
Aug 31, 2014

Kadyrov doesn't believe gays are considered people.

quote:

In an interview, Chechen leader Ramzan Kadyrov denies reports that gay men are being detained and tortured in the Russian republic — not because such abuses would not be allowed, but because he thinks there are no gay men in Chechnya.

“This is nonsense,” Kadyrov said when asked about the allegations. “We don't have those kinds of people here. We don't have any gays. If there are any, take them to Canada.”

“Praise be to god,” the Chechen leader adds. “Take them far from us so we don't have them at home. To purify our blood, if there are any here, take them.”

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I think Canada should take in all Chechen gays, let's work something out so they aren't sent to death camps. Justin would be very much against it though so that's non-stater.

Tommah
Mar 29, 2003

Pizdec posted:

Ditto. It lead to a couple of weird stalemates where I stood still fully expecting the car to go ahead while the car stood still waiting for me to pass.

How is it?

listened to a few today -- as someone ignorant of polish history, I felt he did a good job

episodes are short though

Dragas
Apr 21, 2010

something something polish lithuania commonwealth will rise from the ashes
well, if anybody cares, the lithuanian conservatives are just about the most popular party again

loving great my dudes, just love it

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Dragas posted:

well, if anybody cares, the lithuanian conservatives are just about the most popular party again

loving great my dudes, just love it

:rip: So are you building army or rekindling relationships with Moscow now, or are these some kind of neoconservatives?

Dragas
Apr 21, 2010

something something polish lithuania commonwealth will rise from the ashes

cinci zoo sniper posted:

:rip: So are you building army or rekindling relationships with Moscow now, or are these some kind of neoconservatives?

I mean we are playing at having a military but that's all parties nowadays pretty much

the conservatives are officially The Homeland Union-Christians Democrats, a union between, well, you can probably guess who

their current chairman is from the homeland union, which a lot of the chr. dems don't like because he is the archetypal "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" neoliberal

also check out this history lesson from the russian foreign ministry

Dragas fucked around with this message at 07:58 on Jul 16, 2017

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Dragas posted:

I mean we are playing at having a military but that's all parties nowadays pretty much

the conservatives are officially The Homeland Union-Christians Democrats, a union between, well, you can probably guess who

their current chairman is from the homeland union, which a lot of the chr. dems don't like because he is the archetypal "socially liberal, fiscally conservative" neoliberal

also check out this history lesson from the russian foreign ministry



That party combination doesn't sound good, but at least there is EU to talk them off some more stupid things like banning abortions or something.

As for the graph, I'm the typical Russian "just look how many women and children these monsters murdered". :allears:

A Pale Horse
Jul 29, 2007

Dragas posted:


also check out this history lesson from the russian foreign ministry



Weren't the forest brothers literally Nazi collaborators? That's not to say those numbers or statistics are accurate as you can't trust anything put out by Russian government, but I was under the impression that the forest brothers were not good guys by any means, sort of like our Cursed Soldiers, ultranationalist murderers and criminals.

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin
The three main Lithuanian political parties - Conservatives, Peasant union and Social Democrats are virtually identical. They all consist of socially conservative incredibly corrupt "old guard" and trendy socially liberal young people. Their economic policies are differ in rhetoric but in reality are "we get to control the money flows and fail to reform anything we promise to". I think it's the result of an enormous amount of working age people emigrating/ignoring politics and leaving the country dominated by pensioneers. Nothing as bad as Poland thankfully, our conservatives are the German christian democrat type and not too Jesusy. Lots of them (notably former PM Kubilius) are openly pro-abortion.


Speaking of Russia, I can not get over how some tankies became genuine fans of Russia, the country that thinks that unrestrained capitalism is too modern and is trying to get back to feudalism. I saw one guy saying in the Trump thread that Russia has universal healthcare that Americans would love to have. For the record, this is how hospitals in Russia outside of Moscow/St Pete look like (pics taken in 2014-2016 and it is getting worse):
http://uglich-jj.livejournal.com/102608.html

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Somaen posted:

The three main Lithuanian political parties - Conservatives, Peasant union and Social Democrats are virtually identical. They all consist of socially conservative incredibly corrupt "old guard" and trendy socially liberal young people. Their economic policies are differ in rhetoric but in reality are "we get to control the money flows and fail to reform anything we promise to". I think it's the result of an enormous amount of working age people emigrating/ignoring politics and leaving the country dominated by pensioneers. Nothing as bad as Poland thankfully, our conservatives are the German christian democrat type and not too Jesusy. Lots of them (notably former PM Kubilius) are openly pro-abortion.


Speaking of Russia, I can not get over how some tankies became genuine fans of Russia, the country that thinks that unrestrained capitalism is too modern and is trying to get back to feudalism. I saw one guy saying in the Trump thread that Russia has universal healthcare that Americans would love to have. For the record, this is how hospitals in Russia outside of Moscow/St Pete look like (pics taken in 2014-2016 and it is getting worse):
http://uglich-jj.livejournal.com/102608.html

Your argument is really hamfisted by virtue of implication that unrestrained capitalism is good. Russian rural hospital problem has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

A Pale Horse posted:

Weren't the forest brothers literally Nazi collaborators? That's not to say those numbers or statistics are accurate as you can't trust anything put out by Russian government, but I was under the impression that the forest brothers were not good guys by any means, sort of like our Cursed Soldiers, ultranationalist murderers and criminals.

No, they were not Nazi collaborators on organisational level.

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Your argument is really hamfisted by virtue of implication that unrestrained capitalism is good. Russian rural hospital problem has nothing to do with capitalism or socialism.

No I was implying that both unrestrained capitalism and feudalism are bad

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Somaen posted:

No I was implying that both unrestrained capitalism and feudalism are bad
My bad then, I wholly agree.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747

Somaen posted:

No I was implying that both unrestrained capitalism and feudalism are bad

A return to feudalism is the outcome of unrestrained capitalism. Having a hereditary caste of people who own everything, and therefore get to control the people living on their property, is the end goal of capitalism.

Somaen
Nov 19, 2007

by vyelkin

Cat Mattress posted:

A return to feudalism is the outcome of unrestrained capitalism. Having a hereditary caste of people who own everything, and therefore get to control the people living on their property, is the end goal of capitalism.

Right, which is why it is alarming when any person who associates with the left buddies up with Russia or repeats their narrative (Jill Stein or Corbyn being two examples that come to mind)

VoltairePunk
Dec 26, 2012

I have become Umlaut, destroyer of words

Somaen posted:

The three main Lithuanian political parties - Conservatives, Peasant union and Social Democrats are virtually identical. They all consist of socially conservative incredibly corrupt "old guard" and trendy socially liberal young people. Their economic policies are differ in rhetoric but in reality are "we get to control the money flows and fail to reform anything we promise to". I think it's the result of an enormous amount of working age people emigrating/ignoring politics and leaving the country dominated by pensioneers. Nothing as bad as Poland thankfully, our conservatives are the German christian democrat type and not too Jesusy. Lots of them (notably former PM Kubilius) are openly pro-abortion.


Speaking of Russia, I can not get over how some tankies became genuine fans of Russia, the country that thinks that unrestrained capitalism is too modern and is trying to get back to feudalism. I saw one guy saying in the Trump thread that Russia has universal healthcare that Americans would love to have. For the record, this is how hospitals in Russia outside of Moscow/St Pete look like (pics taken in 2014-2016 and it is getting worse):
http://uglich-jj.livejournal.com/102608.html

Dude, I know a few peeps from the conservatives and a lot of them are pretty mental about Jesus. Well more about the needness of religion to control people.and yet they get mad at atheists.
Kubilius studied physics so I am not surprised he isn't that social conservative. He is more social liberal and economic conservative.

VoltairePunk fucked around with this message at 15:41 on Jul 16, 2017

Pizdec
Dec 10, 2012

Tommah posted:

listened to a few today -- as someone ignorant of polish history, I felt he did a good job

episodes are short though
If it's anything like the History of Rome podcast, I'm all for it.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




There's an MH17 memorial next to Russian embassy in Hague now.

SaltyJesus
Jun 2, 2011

Arf!

cinci zoo sniper posted:

There's an MH17 memorial next to Russian embassy in Hague now.

loving lmao

Paladinus
Jan 11, 2014

heyHEYYYY!!!
https://twitter.com/EnglishRussia1/status/886902822582841348

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

cinci zoo sniper posted:

There's an MH17 memorial next to Russian embassy in Hague now.
That's pretty awesome.
There has been an initiative here that wanted to rename the street the Russian embassy in Prague is after Boris Nemtsov but sadly it fizzled out, guess the city hall thought it too expensive a joke.

Libluini
May 18, 2012

I gravitated towards the Greens, eventually even joining the party itself.

The Linke is a party I grudgingly accept exists, but I've learned enough about DDR-history I can't bring myself to trust a party that was once the SED, a party leading the corrupt state apparatus ...
Grimey Drawer

Cat Mattress posted:

A return to feudalism is the outcome of unrestrained capitalism. Having a hereditary caste of people who own everything, and therefore get to control the people living on their property, is the end goal of capitalism.

Nah, this is stupid. The end goal of capitalism is the total destruction of our eco system, followed by our extinction at our own hands. You kind of stopped in the middle there.

Cat Mattress
Jul 14, 2012

by Cyrano4747
That's "consequence" rather than "goal". Concentrating wealth and power in an ever-shrinking number of hands is the goal of capitalism; the destruction of everything that makes life tolerable or even just sustainable is just a side-effect.

Dragas
Apr 21, 2010

something something polish lithuania commonwealth will rise from the ashes

Karmalis posted:

Dude, I know a few peeps from the conservatives and a lot of them are pretty mental about Jesus. Well more about the needness of religion to control people.and yet they get mad at atheists.
Kubilius studied physics so I am not surprised he isn't that social conservative. He is more social liberal and economic conservative.

most of my facebook feed is split between way left and ¬liberal yoof¬ types so to be fair I don't really have much contact with actual conservative rank and file but the ones I do kind of know are pretty drat big on jesus

not as much as my polish family but

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Certain ranges of Ukrainian goods have received 3 year EU import tax waiver. Categories our media quote, non-exclusively, are shoes, paints, copper, aluminium, and sound recorders.

Dragas
Apr 21, 2010

something something polish lithuania commonwealth will rise from the ashes

cinci zoo sniper posted:

Certain ranges of Ukrainian goods have received 3 year EU import tax waiver. Categories our media quote, non-exclusively, are shoes, paints, copper, aluminium, and sound recorders.

oh boy can't wait to get me some of that fine ukrainian footwear

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Dragas posted:

oh boy can't wait to get me some of that fine ukrainian footwear

At least we'll have cheaper paint to drink.

Kekekela
Oct 28, 2004
Just found this thread trying to find the appropriate place to gush about how great the bellingcat MH17 analysis is.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2017/07/17/mh17-open-source-investigation-three-years-later/
https://www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/mh17-3rd-anniversary-report.pdf

I'm sure it's old news to the people reading this thread; but the pdf is seriously mind-blowing to me on several levels, including but not limited to:
* being able to pinpoint the exact section of field the missile was launched from
* the comprehensive tracking of the movements of that BUK
* the identification of the battalion and so many of its members

Fabulous Knight
Nov 11, 2011
I guess it's worth something to note here that the EU-Ukraine AA was, in fact, finally approved recently. It will fully come into force in September or so.

Rincewinds
Jul 30, 2014

MEAT IS MEAT
Just in time for the russians to declare a successor state to Ukraine.

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

Kekekela posted:

Just found this thread trying to find the appropriate place to gush about how great the bellingcat MH17 analysis is.
https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2017/07/17/mh17-open-source-investigation-three-years-later/
https://www.bellingcat.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/mh17-3rd-anniversary-report.pdf

I'm sure it's old news to the people reading this thread; but the pdf is seriously mind-blowing to me on several levels, including but not limited to:
* being able to pinpoint the exact section of field the missile was launched from
* the comprehensive tracking of the movements of that BUK
* the identification of the battalion and so many of its members

We're currently talking to a university about training AIs to search social networks for soldiers, then start pulling out details about them, like unit, rank etc. They think it wouldn't be terribly hard to do. It could mean what it took 2 people over a year to do with the MH17 case could be done in hours and applied to any military which has soldiers who use social media.

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

Brown Moses posted:

We're currently talking to a university about training AIs to search social networks for soldiers, then start pulling out details about them, like unit, rank etc. They think it wouldn't be terribly hard to do. It could mean what it took 2 people over a year to do with the MH17 case could be done in hours and applied to any military which has soldiers who use social media.

That would be incredible. Would it be possible even with an organization like ISIS?

Dwesa
Jul 19, 2016

Brown Moses posted:

We're currently talking to a university about training AIs to search social networks for soldiers, then start pulling out details about them, like unit, rank etc. They think it wouldn't be terribly hard to do. It could mean what it took 2 people over a year to do with the MH17 case could be done in hours and applied to any military which has soldiers who use social media.
Amazing. :allears:

Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

That would be incredible. Would it be possible even with an organization like ISIS?

Much harder, probably close to impossible. The thing with soldiers is they have uniforms, they're friends with other soldiers in their same unit, they're generally proud and open about being in the open. It's basically an intelligence gathering dream/nightmare, depending on your perspective.

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Brown Moses
Feb 22, 2002

I genuinely wish I could share all the cool and interesting poo poo I'm doing, but I've too many loonies stalking me that instantly demonise and harass anyone I work with. Weirdly they've not got round to calling Something Awful a Soros funded psy-op, but they probably will given time.

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