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SirPhoebos posted:Reported. This isn't 4chan, you fuckin' red-had. Get out you goddamn social justice wyvern e: update previous++ page SpookyLizard fucked around with this message at 07:00 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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McFetusBurger posted:That was the great thing about Caim. Every villain has to tell you all about why they're destroying the world, he just loving stabbed everything and smiled if it bled. Sometimes he didn't stab people.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:19
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McFetusBurger posted:That was the great thing about Caim. Every villain has to tell you all about why they're destroying the world, he just loving stabbed everything and smiled if it bled. "If a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat. They'll watch you squirm. They'll put off the moment of murder like another man will put off a good cigar. So hope like hell your captor is an evil man. A good man will kill you with hardly a word.”
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Jul 16, 2017 06:33
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SpookyLizard posted:
Actually previous + 1. -1? Page before last.
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Jul 16, 2017 06:38
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chiasaur11 posted:"If a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat. Turns out the only problem with this quote is it puts Caim into the category of "Good man". I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Caim as much as you guys, but I don't think he should really be considered a "good man", he's far too into murder for that to be the case. Even if he mostly only murders bad people. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Jul 16, 2017 10:04
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Stephen9001 posted:Turns out the only problem with this quote is it puts Caim into the category of "Good man". I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Caim as much as you guys, but I don't think he should really be considered a "good man", he's far too into murder for that to be the case. Even if he mostly only murders bad people. That's because Caim is the exception. Any time he's spending not murdering is, well, time spent not murdering. He hasn't time for gloating and the like when he could instead be stabbing the next in line. I'd also say that the essence of the quote is that a bad man would love this poo poo, and Caim's two big loves are murder and Red.
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Jul 16, 2017 10:11
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ImpAtom posted:So was Mikhail and everyone loved him. Once 9S starts rolling around in filth and making GBS threads himself, then we'll start being able to make comparisons to Mikhail  Hunt11 posted:If he is such a racist why was he so engaged with bringing the kid stubby back to his mother or trying to answer all the questions of the little sister machine.
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Jul 16, 2017 10:45
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Stephen9001 posted:Turns out the only problem with this quote is it puts Caim into the category of "Good man". I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Caim as much as you guys, but I don't think he should really be considered a "good man", he's far too into murder for that to be the case. Even if he mostly only murders bad people. That's because in this quote, "good" really means "self-righteous". It's about how the "good" man and the "evil" man perceive themselves subjectively, not about how objectively good or evil their behavior is.
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Jul 16, 2017 10:48
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Kassad posted:That's because in this quote, "good" really means "self-righteous". It's about how the "good" man and the "evil" man perceive themselves subjectively, not about how objectively good or evil their behavior is. Not at all. I was making a bit of a joke by bringing it up in the context of Caim, but it's pretty clear that Pratchett really did mean good and evil there, both because he has his share] of self-righteous villains who still tend towards the monologue, and because it sets up a scene late in where Carrot, the most straightforwardly "good" character, just straight up kills a man. No fuss. No delay. And Carrot isn't particularly self-righteous.
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Jul 16, 2017 10:53
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Yeah, I love Pratchett and I like that quote, I just thought it would be kinda funny to point out that it would make Caim a good man (there are exceptions to every rule and phrase, such as "the enemy of my enemy is my friend", sadly, sometimes they really are just another enemy), much like how chiasaur thought it would be funny to post it in the context of Caim.Kassad posted:That's because in this quote, "good" really means "self-righteous". It's about how the "good" man and the "evil" man perceive themselves subjectively, not about how objectively good or evil their behavior is. You don't know Pratchett very well do you? I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Jul 16, 2017 11:56
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chiasaur11 posted:Not at all. I was making a bit of a joke by bringing it up in the context of Caim, but it's pretty clear that Pratchett really did mean good and evil there, both because he has his share] of self-righteous villains who still tend towards the monologue, and because it sets up a scene late in where Carrot, the most straightforwardly "good" character, just straight up kills a man. No fuss. No delay. And Carrot isn't particularly self-righteous. Terry Pratchett posted:“Something Vimes had learned as a young guard drifted up from memory. If you have to look along the shaft of an arrow from the wrong end, if a man has you entirely at his mercy, then hope like hell that man is an evil man. Because the evil like power, power over people, and they want to see you in fear. They want you to know you're going to die. So they'll talk. They'll gloat.
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Jul 16, 2017 12:01
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Stephen9001 posted:You don't know Pratchett very well do you? I truly don't, it's just what I thought that passage was going for. I clearly need to get started on reading more of his books.
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Jul 16, 2017 14:29
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In this kind of comparison Caim is the kind of person who wouldn't know a good cigar if it bit him, because he gets the shakes if he isn't burning through a pack every fifteen minutes.
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Jul 16, 2017 14:31
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I always saw Mikhail's fantasy racism as the "Everybody in Drakengard has an irredeemable feature to them" thing as a joke. Oh but now fantasy racism is actually bad now, so gently caress Mikhail you fascist piece of poo poo.
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Jul 16, 2017 15:07
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The parry chip is Bayonetta's Moon of Mahaa-Kalaa ability, rather than Raiden's parry.
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Jul 16, 2017 15:09
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I wouldn't label Caim a good or evil man, he's more of a force of nature that runs by his own rules.
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Jul 16, 2017 16:05
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Stephen9001 posted:Turns out the only problem with this quote is it puts Caim into the category of "Good man". I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Caim as much as you guys, but I don't think he should really be considered a "good man", he's far too into murder for that to be the case. Even if he mostly only murders bad people. Granny Weatherwax had a different take on it: quote:"There's no grays, only white that's got grubby. I'm surprised you don't know that. And sin, young man, is when you treat people like things. Including yourself. That's what sin is." That clears up Caim, but I'm having real trouble trying to figure out how to apply this to Automata.
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Jul 16, 2017 16:08
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Maxwell Adams posted:That clears up Caim, but I'm having real trouble trying to figure out how to apply this to Automata.
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Jul 16, 2017 16:19
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"Sin is when you treat things like people, 2B." - 9S, probably
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Jul 16, 2017 16:30
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Now I'm imagining Emil selling sausages-inna-bun.
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Jul 16, 2017 16:43
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SpookyLizard posted:Now I'm imagining Emil selling sausages-inna-bun. I don't think he has a throat to cut, though.
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Jul 16, 2017 17:03
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Renditious posted:I don't think he has a throat to cut, though. Dibblers are a naturally occurring
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Jul 16, 2017 17:11
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Renditious posted:I don't think he has a throat to cut, though. He could detach from his car thing? Is that close enough? I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Jul 16, 2017 17:11
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Renditious posted:I don't think he has a throat to cut, though. We also had Disembowel-myself-honorably in not-China/not-Japan, plus the ones in not-Australia, in not-Jerusalem and I might be forgetting one or two other Dibblers. Regional variations on the nickname are fine. Thus: Lose-my-head Emil? Head-drop-off Emil? Kainé-smite-me Emil? Or-I'm-a-shithog Emil?
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Jul 16, 2017 17:16
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Blow-meself-up Emil
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Jul 16, 2017 17:22
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That's just kinda life, dude. The history of life is conflict. poo poo, are all the machines in the forest off the grid? Adam's never seen a boar?
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Jul 16, 2017 17:24
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I think so. If I remember correctly, the Forest Kingdom is first introduced by Pascal when asked if there's any other machines like them that aren't on the network. The other example he gives is Simone.
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Jul 16, 2017 17:40
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Stephen9001 posted:Turns out the only problem with this quote is it puts Caim into the category of "Good man". I mean, don't get me wrong, I love Caim as much as you guys, but I don't think he should really be considered a "good man", he's far too into murder for that to be the case. Even if he mostly only murders bad people. It doesn't, because that requires there to exist even a microsecond where someone is left at Caim's mercy.
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Jul 16, 2017 18:26
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:I think so. If I remember correctly, the Forest Kingdom is first introduced by Pascal when asked if there's any other machines like them that aren't on the network. The other example he gives is Simone. So if you disconnect from the network, 1/3rd end up a crazed android-wearing monstrosity, 1/3rd end up as a fanatic feudalistic kingdom with a baby for a ruler and 1/3rd end up like Pascal. Given those odds, maybe machines shouldn't disconnect from the network...
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Jul 16, 2017 18:53
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axeil posted:So if you disconnect from the network, 1/3rd end up a crazed android-wearing monstrosity, 1/3rd end up as a fanatic feudalistic kingdom with a baby for a ruler and 1/3rd end up like Pascal. Now now, you're assuming there's an equal chance for all three.
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Jul 16, 2017 19:06
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Oh neat, it was actually one of the robo-brothers. I actually got something right in this game!
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Jul 16, 2017 19:11
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Tunicate posted:It doesn't, because that requires there to exist even a microsecond where someone is left at Caim's mercy. Does being the last one left in a slaughter at his hands count? There has to be time between the last few guys he killed and you after all. I can have moments of... eccentricity and sometimes be quite curious about things. Please forgive me if I do something foolish or rude.
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Jul 16, 2017 19:19
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Argas posted:Now now, you're assuming there's an equal chance for all three. Yeah, there's a whole loving lot more machines in the Forest Kingdom than there are in Pascal's village.
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Jul 16, 2017 20:30
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:Yeah, there's a whole loving lot more machines in the Forest Kingdom than there are in Pascal's village.
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Jul 16, 2017 21:07
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axeil posted:So if you disconnect from the network, 1/3rd end up a crazed android-wearing monstrosity, 1/3rd end up as a fanatic feudalistic kingdom with a baby for a ruler and 1/3rd end up like Pascal. I mean, it's not like the forest machines are any worse than the machines that are on the network. That's really more of a lateral move. And hey, Pascal's village has way more machines than one Simone, so it seems like a pretty good deal.
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Jul 16, 2017 21:22
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JT Jag posted:Well, there was. Fair point.
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Jul 16, 2017 21:37
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I bet the Forest Boys are pretty chill when no one is trying to murder their godking. Just larpin' around.
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Jul 16, 2017 21:39
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They were getting ready to invade Pascal's village.
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Jul 16, 2017 21:45
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Yes but really they were just trying to kill Jean Paul
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Eesh, imagine Jean Paul and Adam holding a philosophy debate.The Dark Id posted:The newly shirt wearing man-machine also form a giant a massive cube and just toss that sonuvabitch in 2B’s direction. "can also form"?
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