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Reminded of a BTAS episode which stated/implied that Gordon could probably find out Batman's identity with some investigation if he really wanted to, but deliberately doesn't so as to maintain plausible deniability.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The White Portugese thing is a good example of Bruce being too clever by half.
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Jul 16, 2017 07:35
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Inescapable Duck posted:Reminded of a BTAS episode which stated/implied that Gordon could probably find out Batman's identity with some investigation if he really wanted to, but deliberately doesn't so as to maintain plausible deniability. There was also the Barbara on fear drugs episode that implied hes known all along and was cool with this daughter fighting crime alongside Batman.
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Jul 16, 2017 09:06
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Mr. Apollo posted:I was watching BvS today and have a question. Did Diana know that Bruce Wayne was Batman or know that something was up with him?
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Jul 16, 2017 09:55
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Mr. Apollo posted:Do you mean his assumption that it's a person? Alfred figures it out in like two seconds but Bruce is so toy oriented that he figures he needs to bust out the mass spectrometer to hunt for clues. Lois is a far better detective just by doing her job.
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Jul 16, 2017 15:05
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I do hope when Gordon is introduced in Justice League, his first line is "Hey Bruce what's up."
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Jul 16, 2017 18:01
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I kind of assumed her being like a thousand years old and living among man for a hundred years allowed her a lot of time to research stuff. If Bruce Wayne is a famous rich dude I'd assume Diana recognized him. It is the same reason she didn't appear to look twice at Clark.
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Jul 16, 2017 19:18
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Groetgaffel posted:The impression I got watching the movie is that she picked up the radio chatter between Bats an Alfred and decided to follow him to check it out. After Lex finishes his speech and Diana walks away and Bruce starts to go after her but is stopped by Clark, I assume that was simply a "must hit on pretty girl" thing and nothing more. He even says something like that to Clark. I mean how could he suspect anything about her? HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Alfred figures it out in like two seconds but Bruce is so toy oriented that he figures he needs to bust out the mass spectrometer to hunt for clues. Lois is a far better detective just by doing her job. I assume that's supposed to tie into his "I've been doing this for 20 years and don't give a gently caress anymore" attitude. Diana and Clark seem to be motivated by a sense of "doing the right thing" but Bruce is motivated by a sense of revenge and also that this is all he knows. Kelly posted:I kind of assumed her being like a thousand years old and living among man for a hundred years allowed her a lot of time to research stuff. If Bruce Wayne is a famous rich dude I'd assume Diana recognized him. It is the same reason she didn't appear to look twice at Clark. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 19:51 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Jul 16, 2017 19:49
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Mr. Apollo posted:I assume that's supposed to tie into his "I've been doing this for 20 years and don't give a gently caress anymore" attitude. Diana and Clark seem to be motivated by a sense of "doing the right thing" but Bruce is motivated by a sense of revenge and also that this is all he knows. ITT we put more work into BvS than BvS did
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Jul 16, 2017 19:55
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dont even fink about it posted:ITT we put more work into BvS than BvS did
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Jul 16, 2017 20:06
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dont even fink about it posted:ITT we put more work into BvS than BvS did 
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McSpanky posted:Jesus loving Christ. I'm not gonna sit here and defend Joseph Stalin or the end of the NEP those are bad things. But even the Kiev Court of Appeals, a somewhat biased source, pegged it at somewhat less than 4 million dead in the 30s famine and 6 million fewer births, a commonly used measure to inflate "casualties" under communist regimes when using demographic reconstruction to estimate death totals. That's still an awful number, but the causes of that famine, and of virtually all famines, are common to all centralized food distribution systems - for example, around half a million people died in the 1892 Volga famine, and not because inadequate calorie yields had been produced. Overall famine deaths relative to population were actually somewhat higher in the Russian Empire in the century prior to the Revolution than in the period of Soviet rule, discounting deaths under Nazi occupation. In the same period, a series of extremely similar famines were sweeping British India, resulting in at least 15 million deaths in areas directly ruled by the Empire and an unknown but probably roughly equal number in allied Princedoms, between 1850 and 1900. The Stalinist collectivization employed almost identical centralized food distribution tactics to the Russian and British Empires - with the same result, mass death of food producers and especially rural trade workers reliant on surpluses sold at local markets. All the while, centrally collected surpluses were being exported or stored for military use in quantities sufficient to prevent any deaths at all. Which is to say that all these things are incredible atrocities, but not unique features of the Soviet system, even the degraded worker's state under Stalin, while the rapid gains in life expectancy, standard of living, educational attainment, and decrease in income inequality between 1920 and 1990 are not qualities shared with the Tsarist or neoliberal regimes that bookend it. The dismantling of the Soviet healthcare system post 1990 has already resulted in ~1-2 million excess deaths in Russia, I don't have any data on the rest of the USSR but it's probably a similar proportion. If we apply the Kiev Court Holodomor standard and count birth decreases as "casualties" then the population of the USSR was increasing at a bit under 1% per annum in the 80s, and the population of the former Soviet states has increased by ~1 million in the subsequent quarter century, which makes a difference of ~50 million. We can play these kinds of demographic games with every regime, and the results are almost never flattering. In the long, bloody, depressing history of Central Eurasia, the Soviet period was a relative bright spot. HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:Alfred figures it out in like two seconds but Bruce is so toy oriented that he figures he needs to bust out the mass spectrometer to hunt for clues. Lois is a far better detective just by doing her job. He solves or attempts to solve every single problem throughout the movie with an action figure accessory.
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Jul 16, 2017 21:58
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DeimosRising posted:He solves or attempts to solve every single problem throughout the movie with an action figure accessory. All he was missing was the shark repellent and we'd have had a full set. I'm still sore they never made a busted-armor spear-wielding version of the figure. All I see is vaporware/scalped customs. VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Jul 16, 2017 22:25
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DeimosRising posted:He solves or attempts to solve every single problem throughout the movie with an action figure accessory. Makes sense that the fight in the warehouse involves him using up or shedding his gadgets one by one, and fighting increasingly just with his skills and physicality.
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Jul 17, 2017 00:06
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Mr. Apollo posted:Yeah Bruce is fixated on it being a guy trying to smuggle a dirty bomb into Gotham. Alfred says something like "maybe it's a woman or maybe it's not a person and is simply a phantasm". His tendency in the film is to arrive at a conclusion and work backward to prove it.
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Jul 17, 2017 01:56
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:His tendency in the film is to arrive at a conclusion and work backward to prove it. it's a fun variation on the 'batman always has a plan' meme, dude had the whole confrontation with superman mapped out in his mind but clark goes off-script for one second and bruce's entire internal narrative falls apart and he doesn't know what to do until lois shows up
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Jul 17, 2017 02:05
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The last 3-4 appearances of Batman on film have convinced me the only humor these films should attempt is making fun of Batman.
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Jul 17, 2017 02:07
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The last 3-4 appearances of Batman on film have convinced me the only humor these films should attempt is making fun of Batman. Hopefully Matt Reeves gets it.
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Jul 17, 2017 02:15
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:His tendency in the film is to arrive at a conclusion and work backward to prove it. The most realistic take on a super-detective yet.
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Jul 17, 2017 02:20
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:His tendency in the film is to arrive at a conclusion and work backward to prove it. Was the final exchange between Steve and Diana supposed to mirror the final exchange between Superman and Lois or was that coincidental and just a standard "goodbye before I sacrifice myself to stop a threat" talk?
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Jul 17, 2017 02:50
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Mr. Apollo posted:Was the final exchange between Steve and Diana supposed to mirror the final exchange between Superman and Lois or was that coincidental and just a standard "goodbye before I sacrifice myself to stop a threat" talk? Given the relative simpleness of the rest of Wonder Woman, I think it was just standard sacrifice/goodbye chat. Give WW a reason to go Super Saiyan.
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Jul 17, 2017 04:30
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Mr. Apollo posted:Yeah Bruce is fixated on it being a guy trying to smuggle a dirty bomb into Gotham. Alfred says something like "maybe it's a woman or maybe it's not a person and is simply a phantasm". I'm pretty sure is heavily implied the dirty bomb thing was just a lie Bruce told Alfred and that from the start Bruce was on the track of the Kryptonite.
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Jul 17, 2017 04:47
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I'm pretty sure is heavily implied the dirty bomb thing was just a lie Bruce told Alfred and that from the start Bruce was on the track of the Kryptonite. Nah, it's a little weirder than that. He knows Luthor is bringing something in, however, he doesn't know what until he decodes the files he got off the Russian's phone (that actor, by the way, is in loving everything) but, weirdly, soon before the decryption finishes, he hallucinates the possible future where he's after the kryptonite, only to be tricked with a green lightbulb. So he knows what he's after in a dream before he actually finds out.
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Jul 17, 2017 05:01
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I'm pretty sure is heavily implied the dirty bomb thing was just a lie Bruce told Alfred and that from the start Bruce was on the track of the Kryptonite. I thought so too. Haven't watched the movie in a while though.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:The last 3-4 appearances of Batman on film have convinced me the only humor these films should attempt is making fun of Batman. If I had the software, I'd make a gif of the gag of Batman looking for the UP elevator button from the Adam West movie.
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Snowman_McK posted:Nah, it's a little weirder than that. He knows Luthor is bringing something in, however, he doesn't know what until he decodes the files he got off the Russian's phone (that actor, by the way, is in loving everything) but, weirdly, soon before the decryption finishes, he hallucinates the possible future where he's after the kryptonite, only to be tricked with a green lightbulb. So he knows what he's after in a dream before he actually finds out. Right, Lex has two parallel plans to lure him into stealing the kryptonite: invite Bruce Wayne over to his lab for a tour, and leak that someone named "The White Portuguese" is bringing a dirty bomb into Gotham. It's Batman that finds out about it, because he's total checked out of being Bruce Wayne.
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Sir Kodiak posted:Right, Lex has two parallel plans to lure him into stealing the kryptonite: invite Bruce Wayne over to his lab for a tour, and leak that someone named "The White Portuguese" is bringing a dirty bomb into Gotham. It's Batman that finds out about it, because he's total checked out of being Bruce Wayne. That was the best, if he'd had simply dropped by for that "collaboration" he wouldn't have had to 'leech' Lex Luthor's home network OR blow up half the docks and LexCorp's research facility.
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Jul 17, 2017 05:26
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Note also that when Bruce hacked Lex's home network he only found the exact stuff that Lex needed him to find (there's a way to kill the Superman .... also there's more of these freaks out there!) but not the rest of Lex's schemes (Doomsday, the fact that Lex had been monitoring and manipulating Bruce and Clark for ages, etc etc.). Lex's party was just a front so that he could spoonfeed the info to Bruce because the goddamn Batman was completely failing to figure things out in time.
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Jul 17, 2017 05:40
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I'm pretty sure is heavily implied the dirty bomb thing was just a lie Bruce told Alfred and that from the start Bruce was on the track of the Kryptonite. Snowman_McK posted:Nah, it's a little weirder than that. He knows Luthor is bringing something in, however, he doesn't know what until he decodes the files he got off the Russian's phone (that actor, by the way, is in loving everything) but, weirdly, soon before the decryption finishes, he hallucinates the possible future where he's after the kryptonite, only to be tricked with a green lightbulb. So he knows what he's after in a dream before he actually finds out. After the drive finishes decrypting and Bruce has the dream within a dream sequence he wakes up and searches for "White Portuguese" on the drive (this is before he looks in the meta human directory bit). The next scene has him telling Alfred that the White Portuguese is actually a ship. Then Alfred tells Bruce that even though he's been practicing the art of deception since the age of 7 he can still tell when Bruce is lying to him and he calls Bruce out on the dirty bomb thing. Snowglobe of Doom posted:Note also that when Bruce hacked Lex's home network he only found the exact stuff that Lex needed him to find (there's a way to kill the Superman .... also there's more of these freaks out there!) but not the rest of Lex's schemes (Doomsday, the fact that Lex had been monitoring and manipulating Bruce and Clark for ages, etc etc.). Lex's party was just a front so that he could spoonfeed the info to Bruce because the goddamn Batman was completely failing to figure things out in time. Hmmm. That also explains the bit where Bruce is talking to Alfred about having to sneak into Alex's house since that's where the Russian's cell phone data is being transmitted. Alfred says "no need, you've been invited to a party". And it explains why Clark was invited. Perry says something like "looks like you have a mysterious benefactor". Lex already knows who Diana really is because of his facial recognition software and we see the files he has on her and she was invited to the party. He knows who Clark really is (presumably because of the same software) so he kidnaps his mom. He must therefore know who Bruce really is too. I never thought about this before and a bunch of stuff makes sense now; like Lex's lack of a reaction when the Kryptonite is stolen from his labs. It's exactly what he wanted to happen. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 05:59 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Mr. Apollo posted:Hmmm. That also explains the bit where Bruce is talking to Alfred about having to sneak into Alex's house since that's where the Russian's cell phone data is being transmitted. Alfred says "no need, you've been invited to a party". And it explains why Clark was invited. Perry says something like "looks like you have a mysterious benefactor". Lex had also been sending clipped articles about the Wayne Towers deaths to Bruce with YOU LET THEM DIE scribbled over them and in the extended version we find out that he'd also been sending newspaper clippings about Batman's violence to Clark. Unless I'm forgetting something, Lois was the only one to figure out on her own that she'd been manipulated by Lex when she tracked down the origins of the ammo from the Africa incident.
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:Lex had also been sending clipped articles about the Wayne Towers deaths to Bruce with YOU LET THEM DIE scribbled over them and in the extended version we find out that he'd also been sending newspaper clippings about Batman's violence to Clark. Yeah, once Lois finds out the bullets were produced by Lex Corp and that the whole thing was a setup to frame Superman (the lady from the village told them the truth about what happened after she saw the Russian mercenary standing outside her home), she realizes that it's Lex behind it. There's also the bit when she's at the bombers apartment and sees the fridge full of food and realizes that he didn't know that he was going to die. When she finds out that the wheelchair was lined with lead, so Superman couldn't see the bomb, and made out of the same metal as the bullet she realizes that Lex was behind the Capitol bombing too. Mr. Apollo fucked around with this message at 17:41 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 10:43
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Jesus this is giving me so many flashbacks to that lovely movie. Wonder Woman was supposed to cleanse my mind of those terrible memories, not bring them flooding back!
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Jesus this is giving me so many flashbacks to that lovely movie. Wonder Woman was supposed to cleanse my mind of those terrible memories, not bring them flooding back!  you poor thing
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TychoCelchuuu posted:Jesus this is giving me so many flashbacks to that lovely movie. Wonder Woman was supposed to cleanse my mind of those terrible memories, not bring them flooding back! You should get treatment if movies, and their mere discussion, cause you to suffer from aberrant psychological episodes. I'm worried for your brain health.
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Whoa sorry I didn't realize exaggeration was verboten in this thread, please return to talking about the six trillion people Stalin murdered with his bare hands.
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If you guys don't stop Diana is going to come in here. She's charging up. 
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Mr. Apollo posted:If you guys don't stop Diana is going to come in here. She's charging up. movie fight? 
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I was originally going to say something about her coming in here to teach us all about the power of love but I realized how that might come across.
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Mr. Apollo posted:I was originally going to say something about her coming in here to teach us all about the power of love but I realized how that might come across. It sounds like you just wanted to honor William Moulton Marston's
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Mr. Apollo posted:I was originally going to say something about her coming in here to teach us all about the power of love but I realized how that might come across. Only one worth telling us about the power of love is Huey Lewis and the News. Everyone else is a fraud.
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