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a cock shaped fruit posted:Funnily enough, I am the guy who rolled Doom Falcons, and my submission has already been accepted and is now displayed in store alongside the 'pro painted' demo model for Dark Imperium. You must. You must do this thing.
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The big issue the Tau have right now is their internal balance sucks major rear end, you won't see anyone running crisis suits anymore because commanders are objectively better. Just using aforementioned plasma rifles a squad crisis suits will land ~9 shots in rapid fire range for 225 points whereas a commander for 120 will land ~6.6 shots, so no one will take crisis suits except with flamers where their BS does not matter. Some of the problem is that commanders are too cheap along with gun drones, but I still sort of wish they would at least be in a similar PPW range. Tau Anti armor is also kinda goofy, they have fusion blasters which are amazing but when you look outside of this it kinda gets funny in that our long range AT is terrible. we have the Railgun Hammer head whose main gun seems amazing, until you notice it has one shot a turn, meaning on average a hammerhead will do just over 2 damage a turn against a land raider, which actually makes it worse than a heavy rail rifle broadside whose main gun is ~234% better than a IG lascannon for 315% of the price.  There definitely seems to be the intent to balance stuff around the assumption that markerlights make up for the poor effectiveness, and they kinda do in that having the 5 markerlight bonus increases damage by around 50%, but it is lost in the price to get those markerlight hits. In order to fully mark a unit the minimum cost unit is a 80 point squad of Pathfinders, being able to alpha strike that unit with the rest of your stuff is amazing. However then you have the problem that if you want to break even with the extra cost to get that unit marked you end up firing between a quarter and half your force against that one unit; so you really only use it against a first turn major target that has better be worth firing 750+ points of models at it. Honestly most of what you are seeing in most Tau players is abandoning going for more than the first level of the ML table because just having more units to throw overwhelming amounts of shots is more reliable and less susceptible to just having your marker sources just be murdered by a passing deep striking unit. This is already too much of an effort post, but for shits and giggles you can do a shooting comparison between a riptide and the new SM dread. The dread is T7 3+ with 13 wounds to the riptides 14 and a 5++ so riptide wins out so far, now the most interesting target for the comparison is against something T5 3+ like a crisis suit: Math: The dread is armed with 17 shots of S5 AP-1 and will hits with 2/3 wound with 1/2 and 1/2 will get past the save, so ~2.8 unsaved wounds. It also has in rapid fire range 4 s4 shots, 1/2 hit *1/3 wound*1/3 unsaved so ~0.2, for ~3 unsaved wounds Riptide default gets 8 shots S6 AP-1, 1/2 hit, 2/3 wound, 1/2 unsaved so ~1.3 unsaved wounds; if we nova charge we get 12 shots S6 AP-2 so 1/2 hit, 2/3 wound, 2/3 unsaved so ~2.6, so we can expect 1.3-2.6 from the main gun. The riptide also has a SMS with 8 S5 ap0 shots 1/2 hit, 1/2 wound, 1/3 unsaved so ~0.7 from the SMS for ~2-3.3 total. so 2.8-3 unsaved wounds by the dread and 2 to 3.3 for the riptide, the dread will win against stuff less than T5 and the riptide will be better against greater than T5. so the riptide can have ~18% better shooting at the cost of mortal wounds, and be 1/3 tougher against lascannon and such, so the riptide should be something like 30-50% more expensive when you you also say the dread can also fight somewhat effectively. We cannot give a direct comparison without the point cost of the dread but power wise it is 10 to the riptides 17 making it 70% more expensive depending on the conversion ratio. R0ckfish fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Just finished a 50 player 5 round ITC tournament on the weekend, with Guard. Came 4th, and won best painted. A couple of things that stood out to me: - Mortal wounds are arguably too strong / too common. Both from me dealing them, or being dealt them. - Culexus assassins are absurdly good. I managed to tarpit 4 warlords, and kill 2 of them out of 5 games. - Brigade's are where its at. In 1750pts I have 12 re-rolls. Most of my opponents had 3-6. - Charging Armoured sentinels with a 2+ save (with the +1save psychic ability) into units to tarpit them will never not be funny. - Leman Russ Laser Destroyers are totally, completely, utterly useless. - Punishers are good. - Ratling snipers deploying after all units are setup make people freak out and divert way too much to kill them. - Holy poo poo, Genestealers are possibly the best unit in the game. - Hell hounds exploding on a 4+ and killing land raiders is also extremely my poo poo. Will post pictures up once they're on the tournament's website. Edit: Lasguns are not scary. Getting to roll dice for 144 of them in one turn and delete a mauler fiend that got too close is 
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Jul 17, 2017 03:21
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Der Waffle Mous posted:
I bashed it a couple times, and also got: Black Dragons Striking Scorpions Blood Angels Half the fun is how dorky/stupid the generator is. I just got HORNED BARRACUDAS
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Jul 17, 2017 03:27
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My randomly generated chapter are the Desolation Raiders. Bad rear end! Actually, "Red Sisters" was the first thing that showed up, but I figured that would be a problem.
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Jul 17, 2017 03:32
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thesurlyspringKAA posted:Ah the answer to "crisis and broadsides are way overpriced" is "just buy some forgeworld drones for them" You know what's a massive ripoff? Goddamn Rhinos. Only 2 strength 4 shots at 24", for 72 points! Compare that to a T'au trooper: strength 5 at 30", and they're only 8 points each. You could get LITERALLY 36 strength 5 shots for the price of a rhino! That's 34 more shots, at higher strength!Talk about a ripoff!
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Der Waffle Mous posted:
Green Hands Cryptic Sisters Polar Gators This is some quality poo poo.
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chutche2 posted:Polar Gators Yesssss. GreenMarine posted:Desolation Raiders. Also, Yessss. Mad Max Marines.
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Alpha Eaters Screeching Sisters Penitent Adders That is a quality generator
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First result: Battle Shades. Pretty sure there's an emoticon for that.
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Rainbow Wolves  Dark Stalkers Diamond Dogs Death Eaters Black Cats Screaming Sisters Snapping Turtles Vigilant Gorillas Black Adders Hamshot fucked around with this message at 03:53 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 03:50
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On my first try I got Screaming Hawks and that was all I needed.
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Jul 17, 2017 03:54
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Then there are the Umbrageous Inculpators, whose chapter motto probably is "We Try Too Hard".
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MMAgCh posted:Then there are the Umbrageous Inculpators, whose chapter motto probably is "We Try Too Hard". I am in awe. A chapter of "Shadowy Accusers"
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LingcodKilla posted:Isn't that an IG piece and yeah I got a bunch. Hey thanks! Beer is digging around for some in his bits box, but if you have 3 I'd take yours instead since you're closer 
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BULBASAUR posted:Hey thanks! Beer is digging around for some in his bits box, but if you have 3 I'd take yours instead since you're closer Take his because my bits box is in total disarray.
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a cock shaped fruit posted:So my local GW manager did a fairly wicked thing on the weekend. I say we create this challenge. I can run it. Should I make a new thread or should I use this one?
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Jul 17, 2017 04:10
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Id make a new one if only because it might get easy to lose posts when a new codex hits or something and people post up a storm.
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a cock shaped fruit posted:I bashed it a couple times, and also got: I got Storm Guardians and Emperor help me I kinda like that  Although it really sounds like Stormcast Eternals."Ice Wolves" lol Ruby Raiders - good name for BA succession chapter Blue Brothers - now I want to see a blues brothers themed imperial guard faction  Hamshot posted:Diamond Dogs That's kinda funny
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Got my new chapter name, the unstoppable OZONE BROTHERS Also one I'd thought if before, Space Dogs 
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Jul 17, 2017 04:26
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 The Great Goon Chapter Challenge Is Active!
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Hamshot posted:You know what's a massive ripoff? Goddamn Rhinos. Only 2 strength 4 shots at 24", for 72 points! Compare that to a T'au trooper: strength 5 at 30", and they're only 8 points each. You could get LITERALLY 36 strength 5 shots for the price of a rhino! That's 34 more shots, at higher strength!Talk about a ripoff! So let's compare tau static anti tank with SM static anti tank at 200 pts SM: predator with 4 lascannons Tau: aforementioned broadside plus 2 ablative wounds All bullshit aside do you really think that broadside is in any way comparable in damage output, mobility, or survivability? How about for mobile firepower? The crisis team I run vs IG at 350 points. Tau: 3 crisis, 8 fusion blasters, 1 flamer, 6 gun drones. A lot of firepower for sure, but at huge cost. I use this as my deep-strike tank deleter. Tempest: 1 tempestor prime+rod, 20 scions, 8 melta guns, 2 plasma pistols, 3 power mauls. Can deepstrike all your meltas within range, hit on 3+ base, reroll 1s (especially good for the overcharged plasma pistols), 8 melta shots and 20+ hotshot lasguns. I'd all but guarantee the 21 models of scions is going to do more damage than that crisis team. How about transports? The devilfish is 127 points for 12 model capacity and 12 S5 shots at 18" Chimera with twin heavy bolters is only 95 points! Fewer shots but at twice the range and -1 ap Taurox prime with Gatling gun is faster, better armed, and again, 95 points. Compare it to a wave serpent, which is 14 points more expensive, faster, has one more wound, carries stronger, more accurate, longer range guns, and reduces incoming damage by one. For FOURTEEN POINTS MORE! Let me say again, I'm not saying Tau suck now. I'm saying some of their units are overpriced compared to the competition. I'm talking about the army list I personally have. The units I personally own (9 crisis, 2 broadsides, 2 devilfish) put me at a serious disadvantage. Strike teams are still good, pathfinders are fragile but cheap, drones are still decent, commanders are still good.
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I got the Sanguine Sharks, which sounds like just a... terrifying combination.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:
This is the one I used to get my Doom Cogs chapter.
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Never have I been sadder to be all in on Eldar/Deldar/Ynnari than when I rolled up Gore Hippos or Psi Bees.
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theironjef posted:Never have I been sadder to be all in on Eldar/Deldar/Ynnari than when I rolled up Gore Hippos or Psi Bees. Those could totally be new aspect warrior shrines.
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ThNextGreenLantern posted:I got the Sanguine Sharks, which sounds like just a... terrifying combination. Just as terrifying as mine... the Shrieking Bees Chapter. Could just be a chapter full of Inceptor marines dropping in to shoot everything, while shouting.
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Bear in the Woods posted:Just as terrifying as mine... the Shrieking Bees Chapter. Could just be a chapter full of Inceptor marines dropping in to shoot everything, while shouting. I actually am doing a bee-themed imperial fist successor.
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Welp it looks like my primaris marines finally have their gimmick.
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I used the chapter generator from a million pages ago to get the Emerald Wizards, which was the least likely Wizard of Oz reference. But they'd make rad Thousand Sons successors.
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JBP posted:Welp it looks like my primaris marines finally have their gimmick. 
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What is the cheapest way to acquire a bigly? I have to paint a Diamond Shark.
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Safety Factor posted:What is the cheapest way to acquire a bigly? I have to paint a Diamond Shark. Dealer's choice: https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Etb-Primaris-Intercessors-2017 https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Etb-Primaris-Reivers-2017
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Safety Factor posted:What is the cheapest way to acquire a bigly? I have to paint a Diamond Shark. Zaphod42 posted:Dealer's choice: Actually.. https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/getting-started-with-40k-2017-ENG  Edit: Of course the 3packs are better value for money, but if you want *one* dude for the lowest cash spent, bam. a cock shaped fruit fucked around with this message at 06:31 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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The only thing I don't like about Primaris is the bigger boltgun thingies they have. There was a sweet spot in 3rd where human models were much smaller than the latest plastic Marine kit; boltguns looked somewhat small in their hands yet huge in the hands of a Guardsmen, which went a long way in expressing proportion. Guilliman just looks like a skinny Space Marine from the =I=nquisitor range:  BRB, going to eBay Exclusive new Primarch models, L@@K! 
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Everybody but Gulliman looks like they're tripping. And Gulliman is just plain weird.
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