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Dapper_Swindler posted:China started winning against the Japanese so the nazis took China and made Japan a client/puppet state. Same with Italy. Sounds pretty accurate.
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That did happen. During the 30s when Japan and China were slugging it out, Germany did for a time supply aid to the Chinese. Wasn't the first time European nations intervened in Chinese affairs either
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Jul 17, 2017 21:49
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I'm almost scared to think what a Wolfenstein China would look like, half occupied Nanking half retro future Opium War Era Chinese government.
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Jul 17, 2017 21:56
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Cnidaria posted:They were defeated by the Nazis. A case of "I never expected allying with the leopard that eats faces resulting in it eating my face!"
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Jul 17, 2017 21:57
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A Buttery Pastry posted:That's a very American way of looking at things. The Nazis were German supremacists, not white supremacists - with the rest of the Germanic race falling in the lower tier of the best race, the Italians on top of the second tier race, and so on. Please don't erase our proud European history of hating people based on poo poo Americans could hardly dream of. this. i took a bunch of classes on the nazis and poo poo and their terrible stupid race therorys" are more complex what people say they are. basically aryans/germanics were on top of the race chart and slavs were on the bottom at slave race status, the jews and romani were viewed as not even being part of the chart and were a evil hybrid parasite race or some poo poo. african/pocs were viewed as subhuman but there was never really a coherent effort to kill them or gently caress with them outside the "rhineland bastards(kids of colonial troops from ww1) who were sterilized. gently caress i feel dirty now.
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Crabtree posted:I'm almost scared to think what a Wolfenstein China would look like, half occupied Nanking half retro future Opium War Era Chinese government. I think the Soviet Union would be the bleakest to see. Just nobody non-German left or cities remembered at all. Tons of unoccupied Brutalist apartment blocks because it turns out their anticipated need for "living space" was wildly optimistic. Like the Chinese empty new-build cities IRL kinda, but reprehensible. Dandywalken fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 22:10
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Dandywalken posted:I think the Soviet Union would be the bleakest to see. Just nobody non-German left or cities remembered at all. yeah, i assume everyone is dead or slaves with tons of empty buildings. i assume they use the farmland and mineral deposits and build weapons there. i am more curious where the ubersolders come from, are they just wounded soldiers be made whole or something alot worse which the game strongly hints at. the asylum being used as shop for test subjects, i am sure the camps do too
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Dapper_Swindler posted:this. i took a bunch of classes on the nazis and poo poo and their terrible stupid race therorys" are more complex what people say they are. basically aryans/germanics were on top of the race chart and slavs were on the bottom at slave race status, the jews and romani were viewed as not even being part of the chart and were a evil hybrid parasite race or some poo poo. african/pocs were viewed as subhuman but there was never really a coherent effort to kill them or gently caress with them outside the "rhineland bastards(kids of colonial troops from ww1) who were sterilized.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:this. i took a bunch of classes on the nazis and poo poo and their terrible stupid race therorys" are more complex what people say they are. basically aryans/germanics were on top of the race chart and slavs were on the bottom at slave race status, the jews and romani were viewed as not even being part of the chart and were a evil hybrid parasite race or some poo poo. african/pocs were viewed as subhuman but there was never really a coherent effort to kill them or gently caress with them outside the "rhineland bastards(kids of colonial troops from ww1) who were sterilized. I seem to remember hearing that they considered the Japanese to be the "Master Race of the East" or something like that, but I don't know the specifics or if that was just political expediency or what. Edit: vv That's some weird, kinda hilarious, pretty horrifying bullshit right there. catlord fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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catlord posted:I seem to remember hearing that they considered the Japanese to be the "Master Race of the East" or something like that, but I don't know the specifics or if that was just political expediency or what.
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Jul 17, 2017 22:34
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A Buttery Pastry posted:When in doubt, it was always political expediency. The Germans/Nazis used to be on China's side, until it was clear China wasn't in any shape to do anything for them. Hell, Hitler was a flexible guy, he apparently ended up putting Slavs on top of his racial chart when the USSR started wrecking their poo poo - figuring that the German people had failed him and now deserved extermination themselves. Talk about spoilt grapes.
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It's almost like racism doesn't follow any logic at all!
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah, i assume everyone is dead or slaves with tons of empty buildings. i assume they use the farmland and mineral deposits and build weapons there. i am more curious where the ubersolders come from, are they just wounded soldiers be made whole or something alot worse which the game strongly hints at. the asylum being used as shop for test subjects, i am sure the camps do too In RTCW ubersoldats were essentially eldritch horrors made from fallen soldiers and "undesirables" by Deathshead in the X-Labs. In TNO the 1960s versions are manufactured on the moon base, but I would imagine they follow the same basic idea.
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kefkafloyd posted:In RTCW ubersoldats were essentially eldritch horrors made from fallen soldiers and "undesirables" by Deathshead in the X-Labs. pretty much. i think machine games counts RTCW as canon as well as the 360 game wolfenstein game for obvious reasons. A Buttery Pastry posted:When in doubt, it was always political expediency. The Germans/Nazis used to be on China's side, until it was clear China wasn't in any shape to do anything for them. Hell, Hitler was a flexible guy, he apparently ended up putting Slavs on top of his racial chart when the USSR started wrecking their poo poo - figuring that the German people had failed him and now deserved extermination themselves. sorta. he legit believed in his race "dog eat dog" struggle. if the slavs were stronger, they were stronger. then again hitler was basically mentally and physicaly broken(from a cocktail of drugs and possibly other poo poo) by the end so who knows. A Buttery Pastry posted:The closest to taking a pro-"white" position is probably Hitler wanting to make a deal with Britain. He was a pretty big fan of Britain oppressing all those weird Africans and Asians, so he thought they should just keep doing that and he'd settle for being made master of Europe. The Brits didn't go for it, because despite sorta being the originators of the modern idea of white, they weren't white supremacists either - and becoming Hitler's world camp guard was not a fitting destiny for the glorious British nation. yeah, he wanted england to be his ally because of race poo poo plus they would be helpful fighting the russians.
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IIRC the big guy (ex-Nazi's brother) was rescued from the Ubersoldat program. So some of them are hurt/brink of death (like in RtCW) or from an asylum kind of situation like in TNO. Regardless I don't think there's really a "volunteer" situation going on with the Ubersoldats. Edit: for anyone who didn't play RtCW:  That was the Ubersoldat. They've actually been pretty good at the progression leading up to the dudes in TOB and eventually TNO. Humerus fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Jul 18, 2017 00:52
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The funny thing about Old Blood is that it is a soft reboot of Return to Castle Wolfenstein, while also admitting that RTCW still happened. BJ just really likes infiltrating the castle and escaping with the help of men named Kessler on his quest to kill Nazis named Helga.
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Well, that was a Loper, which was a precursor to the Proto-soldats, which were beta versions of the real ubersoldats in that game. The 1947 Ubersoldats in TNO were basically much nicer modeled versions of the RTCW ubersoldats.
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kefkafloyd posted:Well, that was a Loper, which was a precursor to the Proto-soldats, which were beta versions of the real ubersoldats in that game. Less gothic armor design too, which is probably a good thing as warhammer 40k already exists. Let us all remember that the original ubersoldats were used by a germen lingerie model to resurrect some dark ages german king in order to win the war. I appreciate deathshead being consequently pissed off at the SS paranormal division for wasting time and resources on mystical bullshit. Turns out he was (mostly) right!
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Klaus88 posted:Less gothic armor design too, which is probably a good thing as warhammer 40k already exists. yeah. i like the TNO idea of deathshead. he is just these extremely happy and into his work, like he doesn't even care that the castle is under attack, he just wants new specimens to dissect. they way he moves around is like mix of spider/predator animal and a small gitty child in candy shop. the "i like the eyes on this one" line gives me shivers and how he is jumping around on all fours. and how he honestly believes he is doing good things and making the world a better place. christ they did a great job with him.
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Dwight Shultz absolutely nails Deathshead and has a good German accent to boot.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:sorta. he legit believed in his race "dog eat dog" struggle. if the slavs were stronger, they were stronger. then again hitler was basically mentally and physicaly broken(from a cocktail of drugs and possibly other poo poo) by the end so who knows.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:yeah. i like the TNO idea of deathshead. he is just these extremely happy and into his work, like he doesn't even care that the castle is under attack, he just wants new specimens to dissect. they way he moves around is like mix of spider/predator animal and a small gitty child in candy shop. the "i like the eyes on this one" line gives me shivers and how he is jumping around on all fours. and how he honestly believes he is doing good things and making the world a better place. christ they did a great job with him. "Not zis one! Somebody broke it already!  "
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kefkafloyd posted:He's Skull Face from MGS V. That's... oddly appropriate casting for a show about eliminating language. Also want to say I've actually finally gotten around to MGSV, and while Skullface has only shown up a few times, now all I hear is Avitus coming from his mouth too. I apparently haven't gotten far enough to understand your reference about eliminating language, though I just did the mission where You go to rescue that child soilder and find the hospital of horrors where people have ear buds in their throats so I can only imagine where it goes from there. I've also been replaying this game. It is so much more fun the second time around when you have everything unlocked and can do maximum murder out the gate, ammo willing.
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The bit where Deathshead insists you say his name in German is chilling. I didn't even understand it the first time I played so it came off as sort of a Lovecraftian secret name. drat, German, you creepy
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General Battuta posted:The bit where Deathshead insists you say his name in German is chilling. I didn't even understand it the first time I played so it came off as sort of a Lovecraftian secret name. drat, German, you creepy Yeah, the trailers half covered that scene and it came across as "I don't like that name because I am a happy man" which is honestly freaky enough, but then the actual scene in the game... oof.
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CJacobs posted:"Not zis one! Somebody broke it already! "Such a pity" then him cursing you for blowing up the blimps and killing men with families. General Battuta posted:The bit where Deathshead insists you say his name in German is chilling. I didn't even understand it the first time I played so it came off as sort of a Lovecraftian secret name. drat, German, you creepy Yeah, I like how he is legit irritated about it.
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new trailer. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz7PDBhav5s kinda wish they went with a more racist looking villians(would fit with the nazis better instead of turkey man and statue of liberty) but i get why the didnt.
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Ahdunno, this works better at capturing hokey 60s action shows. Well that and the Nazis probably wiped out most of the racial undesirables so all they have left are demonizing the more unobjectionable parts of American culture to get the kids fully indoctrinated.
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Wasn't one of the patriot-villains in that cartoon a black dude? Certainly looked like one.
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uber_stoat posted:yeah, sorta presaged by the mad science monkey cat in the trailer. BJ's in a wheelchair to start and then later he has a weird ring around his neck like the monkey cat. probably harvested himself a brand new body from a Nazi along the way. They should leave BJ in a wheelchair the entire game, and give you a gravity gun. You'd be unable to go up stairs and have to use the gravity gun to build ramps everywhere because America didn't become handicap friendly until the late 1900s.
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CommissarMega posted:Wasn't one of the patriot-villains in that cartoon a black dude? Certainly looked like one. Yeah, the redcoat.
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Tony Snark posted:Ahdunno, this works better at capturing hokey 60s action shows. true. i think the illegal eagle looks loving bad rear end. and yeah i guess alot of the jewish people are probably dead or in deep hiding.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:new trailer. Dang, they're going all out with the alternate history propaganda. Good stuff! I wonder if they will do something similar with music again i.e.Neumond Records. http://wolfenstein.wikia.com/wiki/Neumond_Records
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Wamdoodle posted:Dang, they're going all out with the alternate history propaganda. Good stuff! I wonder if they will do something similar with music again i.e.Neumond Records. i am sure they will. i love how much detail the put into the world, i think the do a better alternative history nazis then man in high castle(book and show) honestly.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:new trailer. The theme song is a complete riff on Batman '66 and it's as great as I thought it would be. Hopefully there's some toys of this in the game that BJ burns with the flamethrower. kefkafloyd fucked around with this message at 23:46 on Jul 22, 2017 |
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kefkafloyd posted:The theme song is a complete riff on Batman '66 and it's as great as I thought it would be. Hopefully there's some toys of this in the game that BJ burns with the flamethrower. Definitely needs finding a Terror Billy figure and giving it a fist bump for the Wolf and DooM connection.
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I wonder how much of the cartoon will be referenced ingame. I can see a scenario where BJ punches a man dressed as the main character and steals his clothes for a disguise. Or the various resistance leaders dress up as the villains.
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Cicadalek posted:I wonder how much of the cartoon will be referenced ingame. I can see a scenario where BJ punches a man dressed as the main character and steals his clothes for a disguise. Or the various resistance leaders dress up as the villains. I just want BJ to shoot a guy climbing a building after poking his head out the window to make a quip.
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Cicadalek posted:I wonder how much of the cartoon will be referenced ingame. I can see a scenario where BJ punches a man dressed as the main character and steals his clothes for a disguise. Or the various resistance leaders dress up as the villains.
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