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It'll be funny when this bill ends up having no supporters at the vote, save a sad turtle.
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Did McConnell stick his neck out too far here in hubris?
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Jul 18, 2017 02:14
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Thanks to my senators Mitch and Rand <3.
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Jul 18, 2017 02:15
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Jul 18, 2017 02:15
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I still think Heller would have killed the bill, the conservatives just blinked first.
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Jul 18, 2017 02:15
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Glazier posted:No, Presidents endorse and stump for downticket candidates all the time. It's rare for them to get involved in primaries, though, and more so against incumbents, isn't it?
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Jul 18, 2017 02:16
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So, it's really obvious that the eighth person was Mitch, right?
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Ralepozozaxe posted:It'll be funny when this bill ends up having no supporters at the vote, save a sad turtle. McConnell will actually have to vote against it for procedural reasons, so that he has the right to bring it up again. Maybe that doesn't apply to the MTP vote tho.
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Jul 18, 2017 02:17
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Now we get to see if the Koch's blink on their threat of withholding money pending an ACA repeal and tax cuts.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:It'll be funny when this bill ends up having no supporters at the vote, save a sad turtle. You know what'd be even funnier? If a scenario like Rigel hypothesized on the last page really did happen, orchestrated by the sad turtle because even HE recognized it's dead but has to protect the senate from Trump. Rigel posted:Its actually a very clever move and smells like something worked out behind the scenes. At some point everyone knew the bill was dead, but they were scared of Trump attacking moderates. Collins and Paul grabbed the hall passes, but they didn't want Trump going off on Heller. Lee and Moran are pretty safe and probably can't be primaried, especially if they are going with the "not evil enough" public reason. If a flood of no's follow them, they give cover to the moderates in the herd while spreading Trump's ire evenly between Moran and Lee.
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Rigel posted:McConnell will actually have to vote against it for procedural reasons, so that he has the right to bring it up again. Maybe that doesn't apply to the MTP vote tho. God the senate rules are such dumb bullshit calvinball
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Jul 18, 2017 02:20
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This should be good. Rick Wilson will be a less-amusing follow when Trump is gone and the #NeverTrumpers rejoin the party. https://twitter.com/TheRickWilson/status/887119627817545733
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Rigel posted:This should be good. Rick Wilson will be a less-amusing follow when Trump is gone and the #NeverTrumpers rejoin the party. They didn't work out it was a work and worked themselves into a shoot, mark.
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Jul 18, 2017 02:22
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Bueno Papi posted:McCain got brain surgery as a move to block McConnell. Very Maverick. Anything to avoid having a spine
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Jul 18, 2017 02:22
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Tir McDohl posted:God the senate rules are such dumb bullshit calvinball Its also why political groups who score votes and issue report cards have to be very careful with scoring a senate majority leader's vote. Harry Reid had to vote no for a lot of legislation that progressives should want because he just didn't quite have the votes and needed to be able to bring it up later.
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Jul 18, 2017 02:23
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Robot Hobo posted:But do they usually spend $10 million dollars to do it? I guess I'm just unclear where this money is coming from. Well they don't spend their personal money, but I'm sure Trump isn't either. He's probably just teamed with the NRCC and is helping them vet challengers.
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So, any idea how likely it is the donors are serious about cutting them off for not acquiring the human sacrifices for their nefarious ritual to summon tax cuts?
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Jul 18, 2017 02:24
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AegisP posted:It might be because of McCain, but a few hours ago TPM had this on Johnson: To be united by hatred is a fragile alliance at best.
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Jul 18, 2017 02:26
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Glazier posted:Well they don't spend their personal money, but I'm sure Trump isn't either. He's probably just teamed with the NRCC and is helping them vet challengers. The NRCC is not going to spend money primarying members of their own party. Its probably some dumb Trumpey MAGA superpac.
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Jul 18, 2017 02:26
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So this is what happens when you elect a bunch of anti intellectual know nothing gun nuts
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Obviously I hoped this would fail, but I never dreamed it would fail for such a satisfying reason.Sneakster posted:So, any idea how likely it is the donors are serious about cutting them off for not acquiring the human sacrifices for their nefarious ritual to summon tax cuts?
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Jul 18, 2017 02:28
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Was Jeff Flake going to vote against the bill or something what the hell.
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Rigel posted:Its actually a very clever move and smells like something worked out behind the scenes. At some point everyone knew the bill was dead, but they were scared of Trump attacking moderates. Collins and Paul grabbed the hall passes, but they didn't want Trump going off on Heller. Lee and Moran are pretty safe and probably can't be primaried, especially if they are going with the "not evil enough" public reason. If a flood of no's follow them, they give cover to the moderates in the herd while spreading Trump's ire evenly between Moran and Lee. I think you may be giving everyone involved here too much credit. If it's true that McConnell was lying to moderates to get their votes then it seems like this is exactly as much of a clusterfuck as it appears to be. McConnell counted on moderate Republicans caving, but ultimately everything got blown up by a few nutjobs anyway.
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Jaxyon posted:Are you loving kidding me That was actually a really common argument behind the scenes in the days leading up to the House version of the BCRA. One of the Tea Party dipshit Reps from my state gave the game away when he talked about it on a local talk show; apparently a lot of the Reps were only going forward with adding in Medicaid cuts tied to an option for governors to pull the trigger after privately being assured by their state governor that they would not pull the trigger. Each of them wanted to pocket the savings from Medicaid cuts as long as someone else's constituents were paying the price for those cuts.
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Bueno Papi posted:41% of Republicans would probably be ok putting poor people in camps and working them to death. You're looking at the tail end of regressive right in that polling. That wouldn't surprise me, but everyone knows people with pre-existing conditions, grandparents, children, neighbors, etc. It hurts themselves/their own family significantly, but the adage that "Republicans will eat a bowl of poo poo to make liberals smell their breath" is truer than I sanely comprehend.
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Robot Hobo posted:I was wondering that too. What are they going to take from the people now as a replacement sacrifice to appease their masters? What's big enough and vulnerable enough? They will shower their masters with 10 year sunsetting temporary tax cuts, and they will probably be reluctantly appeased as our deficit blows the gently caress up.
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Ague Proof posted:Trump disrespects McCain because he wasn't Made In America. Also applies to his feeling about Ted Cruz and his dad. Good. Eat yourselves you fuckers, because lord knows the Democratic Party can't get its poo poo together and is seen as functionally worthless aside from being Not-Trump/GOP: https://www.washingtonpost.com/page/2010-2019/WashingtonPost/2017/07/16/National-Politics/Polling/question_18939.xml Jaxyon posted:People actually liked him, all he had to do was show up The 2010 election would like to have a word with you about this. Bueno Papi posted:Protecting pre-existing conditions polls insanely high: 59% for Republicans and 68% for independents. It'd be political suicide. Political suicide? Do you think these Republicans and 'independents' are going to just up and vote for Democrats? That party cares about things like minorities, keeping guns out of the hands of insane people, and providing a social safety net by taxing the millionaire class I could one day join! 
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namaste faggots posted:So this is what happens when you elect a bunch of anti intellectual know nothing gun nuts They are diverse. They are inclusive of god-bothering shitwheel zealots! e- Speaking of, thank god Santorum has somehow been a million miles away from this.
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Sneakster posted:So, any idea how likely it is the donors are serious about cutting them off for not acquiring the human sacrifices for their nefarious ritual to summon tax cuts? Was there ever a serious push from donors in favor of Trumpcare? The insurance companies hated it. The Koch brothers started a fund to protect Republicans who voted against the health care bill. The Heritage Foundation came out against the original Trumpcare bill before plunging into civil war. It always seemed like the biggest proponents of GOP health care reform was Trump (occasionally), Paul Ryan, and the nagging fear in back of every Republican's mind that they had campaigned for years on repealing Obamacare so passing *anything* is better than nothing.
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coyo7e posted:Then how do you feel about you yourself making poo poo up about other posters and then posting it and acting like it's true? Drop it you boob I had entirely forgotten about your existence until this post, you wretched 'gater troll. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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AegisP posted:It might be because of McCain, but a few hours ago TPM had this on Johnson: This does not really support the idea that McConnell is good at his job, at least to me
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GamingHyena posted:Was there ever a serious push from donors in favor of Trumpcare? The insurance companies hated it. The Koch brothers started a fund to protect Republicans who voted against the health care bill. The Heritage Foundation came out against the original Trumpcare bill before plunging into civil war. It was too stupid and too obvious to appease the donor class correctly, but they are effectively powerless right now in the party of Trump. Any overt move they'd make against him and he'd be pulling his people's tyrant bullshit out and nailing the kochs on the wall to replace them with a Russian oligarch or some other bullshit. Just look at what he's proclaiming to do Flake for christ's sake.
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GamingHyena posted:and the nagging fear in back of every Republican's mind that they had campaigned for years on repealing Obamacare so passing *anything* is better than nothing. Thats it. They whipped this horse to electoral success for so long, but they shockingly didn't have a plan for what to do if they win everything. The reasons they gave for hating Obamacare (high premiums, bad coverage, high deductibles) were problems they had no intention of fixing, and a decent chunk of Trump voters probably expected them to deliver bigger, better, more comprehensive coverage for less money. If they do nothing and go "never mind, we can't repeal Obamacare, too many people would be hurt", then all of a sudden millions of voters who don't loving pay attention will suddenly realize that the GOP has been lying to them for nearly a decade about their biggest winning campaign issue.
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Rigel posted:The NRCC is not going to spend money primarying members of their own party. Its probably some dumb Trumpey MAGA superpac. You're right I should have just said outside group.
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CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:republicans being unable to pass a drat thing is just SO "gathering of cartoon villains unable to agree how to gently caress over the good guys so they start in-fighting and destroying eachother" They've got plenty of time to get this through with the "infinite monkeys" approach. Maybe bill #14 will be convoluted enough to fool the moderates and satisfy the evil.
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Rigel posted:Thats it. They whipped this horse to electoral success for so long, but they shockingly didn't have a plan for what to do if they win everything. The reasons they gave for hating Obamacare (high premiums, bad coverage, high deductibles) were problems they had no intention of fixing, and a decent chunk of Trump voters probably expected them to deliver bigger, better, more comprehensive coverage for less money. Lol if you think republican voters are capable of realizing they're being lied to.
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