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beefart posted:Russell Allen is apparently seriously injured too
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Oldstench posted:Holy gently caress do you have terrible opinions It's true, but so do you! I'll give you guys the benefit of the doubt though, maybe every Paysage d'Hiver song I listened to just happened to be poo poo and I missed the ones that have so enamored their fans. What is their best album / song that if you were promoting them, you would link to someone with bad opinions?
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TollTheHounds posted:It's true, but so do you! I think that Winterkälte is his most accessible due to relatively decent audio-fidelity and some amazing melodies. The youtube version I linked has really terrible compression btw. If you're asking about what his best songs are, those would be Welt Aus Eis off the s/t and Gletschertor which is off of a terrible compilation. I really wish it would get repressed as a single or with Schnee III.. Oldstench fucked around with this message at 22:00 on Jul 16, 2017 |
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Oldstench posted:I think that Winterkälte is his most accessible due to relatively decent audio-fidelity and some amazing melodies. OK I will admit that I think there is some good stuff there, but I just can't handle the production ( I listened to those 2 albums and a few others on Google Music ). I'm not some sort of production or DR snob or anything, but these sound like poo poo. I don't think the music is poo poo, but honestly it's kind of hard to tell. I get that that is what this dude is going for, and I'm no stranger to poorly produced/mixed 1-man black metal bands, but obviously my tolerance/bar for what I find acceptable is different from what this guy puts out. I feel like this level of production was ok in 1985-1995, but in 2017 a 1-man band ( or any-man band ) can put out some seriously high-quality ( in terms of mixing & production at least ) poo poo, and I've obviously grown accustomed to that. Even the bands that are trying to make it sound like poo poo, still sound better than this guy. So I guess I just can't appreciate the aesthetic, which is too bad because if it was better produced I think there is some really good music hidden in there.
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TollTheHounds posted:I feel like this level of production was ok in 1985-1995, but in 2017 S/T was from 1999. Not that it matters - that's the aesthetic he's going for. Shame you don't like it enough to not listen to it, but different strokes.
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I was going to ask why the guy has a french name for his band but a bunch of german titles but it turns he's swiss so that expains everything. edit: I suppose if you want something that has slightly better production there is always fellow swiss band Darkspace. Even if I always want to call them Garth Marengi's Darkspace. MrBling fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jul 17, 2017 |
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Jul 17, 2017 18:56
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The guy from PdH is also in Darkspace. I guess the production is a bit cleaner but if you don't like PdH, you probably won't like Darkspace either. Also the best album to get into PdH with is Steineiche in my opinion
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The first Scar Symmetry album came up in my queue today and I forgot how much those songs crush.
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TollTheHounds posted:OK I will admit that I think there is some good stuff there, but I just can't handle the production ( I listened to those 2 albums and a few others on Google Music ). I'm not some sort of production or DR snob or anything, but these sound like poo poo. I don't think the music is poo poo, but honestly it's kind of hard to tell. I get that that is what this dude is going for, and I'm no stranger to poorly produced/mixed 1-man black metal bands, but obviously my tolerance/bar for what I find acceptable is different from what this guy puts out. Have you considered that you might be in the wrong genre? Not trying to be a dick here, but the production on those songs isn't really that raw by black metal standards.
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I can sympathize. The production values and aesthetics of black and death metal turn me off, but there are plenty of other subgenres that I do enjoy. Just because he doesn't like one subgenre, doesn't mean he can't enjoy others. Metal's a big tree and black is only one branch.
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I was big into the really ambient black metal stuff back in high school though now I usually just put it on to sleep to. Das Tor is real good for that.
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Van Dis posted:I can sympathize. The production values and aesthetics of black and death metal turn me off, but there are plenty of other subgenres that I do enjoy. Just because he doesn't like one subgenre, doesn't mean he can't enjoy others. Metal's a big tree and black is only one branch. Even in those two subgenres there's plenty of hi-fi production
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Van Dis posted:The production values and aesthetics of black and death metal turn me off https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A3bGsjdd5FY&t=519s
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Vargatron posted:The first Scar Symmetry album came up in my queue today and I forgot how much those songs crush. Even their latest with the new singers are OK, and Solution .45's first one was good too. Holographic Universe is probably the best of the lot.
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Haven't heard this one in forever. It was probably more fun before every metal band was on the internet and nobody had any idea who was in this band.
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tote up a bags posted:Even their latest with the new singers are OK, and Solution .45's first one was good too. Yeah, HU is definitely the best from them. I haven't listened to their new material yet. I suppose I'll have to give that a spin a when I'm on the road this weekend.
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CRIP EATIN BREAD posted:Haven't heard this one in forever. it's funny for as much as they ripped on black metal for being lame, jason suecof is one of the go-to producers for lovely metalcore bands
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tote up a bags posted:Even their latest with the new singers are OK, and Solution .45's first one was good too.
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The final track is so good, the high note into the scream gives me chills every time
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32nQQy0Q_cY I don't know why but the drum cadence right before the chorus always gets me.
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A human heart posted:Have you considered that you might be in the wrong genre? Not trying to be a dick here, but the production on those songs isn't really that raw by black metal standards. I'm not really sure what you mean by I "might be in the wrong genre", but I suppose that is a can of worms because I listen to a lot of [genre]-black metal but obviously no "raw" black metal. So yes, I suppose I didn't realize that "raw" black metal was still a thing that modern people/bands were intentionally producing, I've always seemed to find that it was really just underground stuff from the 90's/early 2000's when being a 1-man band really kind of did mean poo poo production because there'd be no other way to afford producing it. There is a lot of black metal out there, 1 man band or otherwise, that doesn't have GREAT or even GOOD production, but even the worst I've come across ( in terms of being very lo-fi ) is better to my ears than this one guy in Switzerland is producing. Paysage d'Hiver only ever entered my radar because of them being on the split with Drudkh, so it's not like I was actively searching the band or his particular sub-genre, but it does mean I'll be passing on the split. Vargatron posted:Have you tried giving Watain a spin? They have pretty good production values and the songwriting is fairly good. Yeah Watain is OK, no problem with them. I'm not really looking for new "not melodic" black metal here, I'll mostly always be firmly in the melodic/atmospheric/[insert sub-genre] variations with a few dips of my toe into the more straight-forward approaches ( like Watain, or Arckanum ), I'm more just amazed at the implication that there are bands out there with WORSE production than Paysage d'Hiver being intentionally released as such in recent years. In truth, I wonder if I'm using the right terms here by saying "production" too generically, I think my issue is specifically with the MIXING of the production being so muddled that it's hard to hear anything good going on with the guitars. I can hear some good riffs peak out now and then but most of the time it is just a wall of noise. The only thing I can think of that I listen to with any regularity that I would consider as "doesn't have great production but still sounds good" is probably Hermóðr or maybe Arckanum but in both cases they are going for a specific "sort of lo-fi black metal sound" but clearly the mixing and production is very modern and palatable to me. TollTheHounds fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jul 18, 2017 |
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Have you tried giving Watain a spin? They have pretty good production values and the songwriting is fairly good.
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The Muppets On PCP posted:it's funny for as much as they ripped on black metal for being lame, jason suecof is one of the go-to producers for lovely metalcore bands i like how he produced and mixed a Daath album a year after recording this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YlA0a6ZXHY
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The Muppets On PCP posted:it's funny for as much as they ripped on black metal for being lame, jason suecof is one of the go-to producers for lovely metalcore bands I forgive his sins because he gave us this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VAyPTeBfw1Y
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Got the prog bug. Pulled up the new Ayreon because why not. I haven't listened to them since the mid 2000s. drat this is really fun. I'm not even going to try and catch up/figure out the story though.
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The drums are way too loud and the guitars way too low on the new Wintersun. Good poo poo good poo poo.
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Defiant Sally posted:The drums are way too loud and the guitars way too low on the new Wintersun. Good poo poo good poo poo. I forgot all about this album coming out. Thanks for the heads up
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Defiant Sally posted:The drums are way too loud and the guitars way too low on the new Wintersun. Good poo poo good poo poo. The 'who needs sound check anyway' sound is v authentic
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Thats what you get for only having four years to produce and master
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Only four years between albums? Did Jari finally convince the Finnish government to give him a new computer?
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Defiant Sally posted:The drums are way too loud and the guitars way too low on the new Wintersun. Good poo poo good poo poo. Fine by me, I like loud drums and Hahto is a beast on the kit. Thanks for the heads up, gonna give this a listen later. Is the album good at least?
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It's a really long and winding album with parts that don't mesh together at all. I hate to say this but it's really not good and makes me worry about Time 2 even more.
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TollTheHounds posted:I'm not really sure what you mean by I "might be in the wrong genre", but I suppose that is a can of worms because I listen to a lot of [genre]-black metal but obviously no "raw" black metal. So yes, I suppose I didn't realize that "raw" black metal was still a thing that modern people/bands were intentionally producing, I've always seemed to find that it was really just underground stuff from the 90's/early 2000's when being a 1-man band really kind of did mean poo poo production because there'd be no other way to afford producing it. There is a lot of black metal out there, 1 man band or otherwise, that doesn't have GREAT or even GOOD production, but even the worst I've come across ( in terms of being very lo-fi ) is better to my ears than this one guy in Switzerland is producing. See here you're talking about lo fi production here purely as a result of lack of recording equipment or money or whatever. that probably did contribute to some early black metal being lo fi in some cases, but from a pretty early stage lo fi has been a concious decision by bands - they want to sound like that, it's a deliberate choice. it's fairly similar to a lot of punk, where there's a deliberate use of poor recording equipment or what have you to fit with the DIY nature of the music. The DIY stuff isn't as present in black metal but there is a similarity - an underground band that rejects commercialism doesn't want to sound clean and modern. if you're not able to listen to lo fi production then a lot of very good or influential black metal is going to be out, and you'll probably end up with an odd view of the genre as a whole since many of the most important recordings, especially older ones, are quite lo fi, or at least not 'modern' in sound. I also think that black metal that is too cleanly produced tends to just sound kind of bad, although that's down to personal preference(I like noise and stuff like that so clean instrument tones do nothing for me).
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I'm listening to the first track of Wintersun's Forest Seasons now and I have no idea what the gently caress is going on.
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tote up a bags posted:It's a really long and winding album with parts that don't mesh together at all. Was worried about that...Time I was like this too. Overlong and unfocused, with some genuine awesome moments that are too far and in between. That man needs whatever the musical equivalent of an novelist's editor is to keep it all killer.
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henpod posted:Fine by me, I like loud drums and Hahto is a beast on the kit. Thanks for the heads up, gonna give this a listen later. I like loud drums too, the problem is that the overloud drums and vocals drown out the guitars almost entirely. He did cut down on the symphonic bullshit though, which is great. It's definitely better than Time. If you're into this sort of thing I would say its a good listen. There's less filler moments than there was on Time and more music overall, which isn't hard considering half of Time was interludes and whatever the gently caress else. I'm looking forward to someone leaking the Ultra Elite $$$ Bundle which included a 'heavy metal' mix of Time which has the symphonic parts cut out. Might make it a lot more enjoyable, like Devin Townsend releasing Z2 with all the wacky dialogue cut out.
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In more accessible news, Arch Enemy have a new single out and it's pretty great if you like poppy stuff like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk2-bgwA0Ro
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A human heart posted:I also think that black metal that is too cleanly produced tends to just sound kind of bad, although that's down to personal preference(I like noise and stuff like that so clean instrument tones do nothing for me).
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