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M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

Dead Reckoning posted:

The Gun control chat thread, if you will
(IT IS A TERRIBLE IDEA AND DOESN'T WORK)

I've got good gun and trigger control. Not the best sure. But it obviously works

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Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

M_Gargantua posted:

I've got good guns and trigger control. Not the best sure. But it obviously works

Arc Light
Sep 26, 2013



Yeah, this was the thread for quarantining circular discussions of the latest cop shooting and/or why Hillary lost, to keep that from infecting the CE thread. But now I guess it's the probation honeypot thread?

Godholio
Aug 28, 2002

Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Arc Light posted:

probation honeypot thread

New thread title.

Zeris
Apr 15, 2003

Quality posting direct from my brain to your face holes.
This is actually the thread for mod/IKs to betray you all

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
Can't have a terrible thread without terrible content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om5-wN_176Y

CRINGE FACTOR 5000

CHICKEN SHOES
Oct 4, 2002
Slippery Tilde
queue me up a good one mods

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed


Grimey Drawer

Naked Bear posted:

Can't have a terrible thread without terrible content:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Om5-wN_176Y

CRINGE FACTOR 5000

First thing that retard does is point a gun with the scope on some guy.

Syrian Lannister
Aug 25, 2007

Oh, did I kill him too?
I've been a very busy little man.


Sugartime Jones

CHICKEN SHOES posted:

queue me up a good one mods

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

EBB
Feb 15, 2005

CHICKEN SHOES posted:

queue me up a good one mods

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vH5qJNl8qDM

Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed


Grimey Drawer

Mike-o posted:

First thing that retard does is point a gun with the scope on some guy.

i got mad at gun stuff soooooooo

CHICKEN SHOES posted:

queue me up a good one mods

(USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)

Comrade Blyatlov
Aug 4, 2007


should have picked four fingers





Zeris posted:

This is actually the thread for mod/IKs to betray you all

Just let me build my wall Zeris

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

Two Finger posted:

Just let me build my wall Zeris

but you live and work on a boat :confused:

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN
Call off the search. I found Whip.

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned

redneck nazgul posted:

but you live and work on a boat :confused:

A Russian billionare's handsome boat

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Criminology + Eugenics = Criminogenics

... not that I believe in anything.

Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
Eat poo poo, DeBlasio.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTqRS1_Uvk8

Knives Amilli
Sep 26, 2014

I love DeBlasio for the fact that the NYPD hates him with a burning passion.

Professor Bling
Nov 12, 2008

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Knives Amilli posted:

I love DeBlasio for the fact that the NYPD hates him with a burning passion.

Same.


Hell, I love DeBlasio because he made that old bitty that angry simply by having her misunderstand what he did.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Knives Amilli posted:

I love DeBlasio for the fact that the NYPD hates him with a burning passion.

I'm a liberal socialist and I can't stand Deblasio.

I didn't turn my back though because its a loving funeral god dammit guys

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
Hey who's the worst ally we've ever had, Saudi Arabia or Israel

M_Gargantua
Oct 16, 2006

STOMP'N ON INTO THE POWERLINES

Exciting Lemon

Proud Christian Mom posted:

Hey who's the worst ally we've ever had, Saudi Arabia or Israel

Saudi Arabia definitely.

Best (regionally) is the Kurds

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene
Uhh what about Russia?

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


Russia when?

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene
Well WW1 was pretty dogshit and WW2 precipitated the Cold war so uh, either? Both?

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN
I'm catching up on the CE thread and I am disappointed at the lack of debate about trans-gendered military service going on in this thread.

So.

Mental illness: should or should not be a barrier to enlistment?

~touches pencil eraser to chin, gazes deep into your eyes~

UP THE BUM NO BABY
Sep 1, 2011

by Hand Knit

Victor Vermis posted:

I'm catching up on the CE thread and I am disappointed at the lack of debate about trans-gendered military service going on in this thread.

So.

Mental illness: should or should not be a barrier to enlistment?

~touches pencil eraser to chin, gazes deep into your eyes~

If it is then who is actually fit to join?

Victor Vermis
Dec 21, 2004


WOKE UP IN THE DESERT AGAIN

Pesticide20 posted:

If it is then who is actually fit to join?

Fair point. It's practically a prerequisite.

Imagine the perfect soldier,

A cross-section of record suicide rates and record sexual assault victimization/allegation rates.

Who would dare stand against us?

Mike-o
Dec 25, 2004

Now I'm in your room
And I'm in your bed


Grimey Drawer

Victor Vermis posted:

Fair point. It's practically a prerequisite.

Imagine the perfect soldier,

A cross-section of record suicide rates and record sexual assault victimization/allegation rates.

Who would dare stand against us?

The real enemy is ourselves. Makes you think :thunk:

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

Victor Vermis posted:

Fair point. It's practically a prerequisite.

Imagine the perfect soldier,

A cross-section of record suicide rates and record sexual assault victimization/allegation rates.

Who would dare stand against us?

You're leaving out alcoholism from this little thought exercise.

redneck nazgul
Apr 25, 2013

My money goes on the troops with no record of rape or abuse accusations, because they probably killed all the witnesses.

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

Mike-o posted:

The real enemy is ourselves. Makes you think :thunk:

FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC

Slim Pickens
Jan 12, 2007

Grimey Drawer
Does that mean Russians are the perfect soldiers?

bird cooch
Jan 19, 2007

Victor Vermis posted:

I'm catching up on the CE thread and I am disappointed at the lack of debate about trans-gendered military service going on in this thread.

So.

Mental illness: should or should not be a barrier to enlistment?

~touches pencil eraser to chin, gazes deep into your eyes~

If it is, it should be a barrier to gun ownership.

It's a Honeypot inside a honeypot

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur

bird cooch posted:

If it is, it should be a barrier to gun ownership.

It's a Honeypot inside a honeypot

Mental health is only a barrier from firearms if you've slipped enough to draw attention and be sent to a ward by a judge or willingly check yourself in to one.

They can't go looking at your medical records for anything anyhow because of HIPAA, a background check isn't going to tell anyone if you're seeing a psychiatrist or on meds from one. Just like the "do you use illegal drugs" question, you can't really prove someone's crazy unless the cops and a judge have been involved.

Genocide Tendency
Dec 24, 2009

I get mental health care from the medical equivalent of Skillcraft.


LITERALLY SHAKING posted:

Mental health is only a barrier from firearms if you've slipped enough to draw attention and be sent to a ward by a judge or willingly check yourself in to one.

They can't go looking at your medical records for anything anyhow because of HIPAA, a background check isn't going to tell anyone if you're seeing a psychiatrist or on meds from one. Just like the "do you use illegal drugs" question, you can't really prove someone's crazy unless the cops and a judge have been involved.

I thought the now repealed mental health ban required far more than "got shipped off to the bin for a few weeks". Like, the court had to strip away your right to govern your own finances and you had to have a legal guardian to kick in the buyer ban.

I could be wrong though.

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
I didn't realize there were any changes, but being adjudicated mentally deficient puts it on your public record. Being thrown in a crazy wing of a hospital probably varies, if there's a police report involved, and you're eventually convicted of something that makes it relevant to public record that you were in a nut house, it will probably come up in a background check.

If you just checked yourself in on your own will, and didn't hit a point where the state gets involved, they'll never know unless you tell them.

Delizin
Nov 9, 2005

It may not be interracial, but it is black and white.
The VA was declaring people mentally incompetent and adding them to the FBI database so they'd be barred from owning firearms if you gave them any indication whatsoever that you were unable to manage your own finances or if you had blackouts. My understanding is that getting your rights back after that was extremely difficult and you had to fight it through the VA bureaucracy, not the courts.

They are trying to push a bill to make it so the VA can't try to declare people incompetent without a judge deciding the person is a danger to themselves or others first. Not sure how far it has progressed, the latest info I could find was from March.

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/03/17/520510426/house-oks-bill-allowing-mentally-incapacitated-veterans-to-buy-guns

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Naked Bear
Apr 15, 2007

Boners was recorded before a studio audience that was alive!
For reference:

18 U.S.C. 922 posted:

(d) It shall be unlawful for any person to sell or otherwise dispose of any firearm or ammunition to any person knowing or having reasonable cause to believe that such person—
...
    (4) has been adjudicated as a mental defective or has been committed to any mental institution;
...
This subsection shall not apply with respect to the sale or disposition of a firearm or ammunition to a licensed importer, licensed manufacturer, licensed dealer, or licensed collector who pursuant to subsection (b) of section 925 of this chapter is not precluded from dealing in firearms or ammunition, or to a person who has been granted relief from disabilities pursuant to subsection (c) of section 925 of this chapter.

...

(g) It shall be unlawful for any person—
...
    (4) who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution;
...
to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

As always, IANAL, but nothing about that leads me to believe the VA that has any authority to declare someone a mental defective and thus strip someone of their rights. I doubt that there are any judges on the VA's payroll.

Naked Bear fucked around with this message at 20:30 on Jul 28, 2017

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