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Another important thing about drug testing is that it should only test for relevant drugs that could affect the safety of what you do, not some blanket "illegal drugs = fired" policy. Stuff like weed stays in your system for a long time. You shouldn't have a huge water bong in your mining truck, but if you want to smoke till you're on the floor puking every weekend go nuts, work should not able to touch or judge you so long as you're not impaired during working hours.
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boner confessor posted:it's not like this in the USA either. white collar professionals never take drug tests, and you're unlikely to face drug tests as a preemployment sceen except in low wage retail jobs where they are really checking to weed out potential thieves, and jobs with a decent amount of liability due to heavy equipment. and even then it's a tossup between "how much do i want to screen out pot smokers" vs. "how many fewer applicants will i get if i piss test" Nah, my brother is a CPA and his last two jobs both had mandatory drug testing. His current employer has it loving quarterly at random and you'll be pulled at least once a year at the quarterly testing. Supposedly it's part of their E&O insurance but who knows. I wok in Excess & Surplus lines insurance (basically OSHA thread: the Insurance) and I've never been tested, but it's in the handbook they can (if they suspect you're doing coke in the bathroom or whatever). I've never heard of it being done, but I'm sure if someone started coming to work sloppy or loving up big time on accounts it would happen. The only time I got drug tested was working at an Amusement Park (which I get, that poo poo can be dangerous even though I was a performer and not an operator) and working at a gas station. The liquor store and smoke shops never gave a gently caress. Efexeye posted:any white collar job where client personal or credit information is accessible to you is going to require a drug test, and most likely a background and credit check too Nah.
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Baronjutter posted:Another important thing about drug testing is that it should only test for relevant drugs that could affect the safety of what you do, not some blanket "illegal drugs = fired" policy. Stuff like weed stays in your system for a long time. You shouldn't have a huge water bong in your mining truck, but if you want to smoke till you're on the floor puking every weekend go nuts, work should not able to touch or judge you so long as you're not impaired during working hours. This doesn't make sense, at all. You say weed stays in your system for a long time, which is correct (to a point, there are determining factors and how often/much you smoke, how fat you are etc affects it). That drugs should only be tested for if they affect your job, which is true (thought not a standard). Then you say, smoke on the weekends all you want when working your mining truck gig, but the issue then becomes you will test positive on Friday (most likely) because you smoked a quarter of weed friday night through sunday night and as far as I'm aware, there's nothing that says "oh hey, he stopped smoking sunday night, he wasn't high on Friday when he ran over Fred, he's just a loving idiot"
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Dexo posted:most places only drug test when they are actively looking for reasons to either fire you, or trying to find a way to get out of paying or taking blame for accidents. Which is really funny when, if the drug test points to an addiction, means they have to pay you 2 yrs of paid sick leave before being able to sack you. cakesmith handyman posted:My work is supposed to drug test randomly, apart from the three-yearly opt-in health checks they've never taken my blood. Wait, BLOOD tests too? Once it goes to the level of taking blood, a whole bunch of different laws about "integrity of the human body" start applying and my previous post wasn't even about those, it was just about piss tests or whatever they do. I suppose blood tests are possible here in extremely specific circumstances, much stricter than with piss tests, with employers having to jump through a huge number of hoops to prove they really need this. Edit: 13Pandora13 posted:The only time I got drug tested was working at an Amusement Park (which I get, that poo poo can be dangerous even though I was a performer and not an operator) and working at a gas station. The liquor store and smoke shops never gave a gently caress. I worked at an amusement park for a while. OF COURSE, nobody got drug tested there. Would be outrageous. First of all, the rides have all kinds of safety backups and human error can't really cause a dangerous situation. Secondly, and much more importantly, if someone is making bad/dangerous decisions, coworkers/managers will NOTICE and kick them out for not doing their job properly. No drugs tests needed. You folks are just strengthening my belief that American companies are crazy, and employees are even crazier for putting up with that poo poo. Carbon dioxide fucked around with this message at 23:23 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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my employer does yearly mandatory pre employment drug tests for literally everyone , as well as on request drug tests for certain clients if the yearly wasnt in the last 6 months, on account of they save hella dollars on insurance for doing it, and because every job can be defined as safety critical
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Baronjutter posted:I think the idea is that in civilized countries you can only drug test for jobs where drug use would impact life safety, like a pilot or a heavy equipment operating. The IT guy or the data entry lady aren't tested and can do whatever drugs they want in their free time. I'm pretty sure the Scandinavian countries can test you for steroids just because you look swole. Refusing to take the test gets you banned from 99% of the gyms.
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We've never done drug tests, but we almost did one when an employee began having odd behavior and we found what looked like flakka on the bathroom floor after he left. We had previously found his Tumblr and uncovered a bunch of misbehaving and excessive alcohol consumption at trade shows and conventions he was sent to. It ended up being a moot point because he was fired after missing over a week of work due to crashing his car on the way back from Texas.
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chitoryu12 posted:We've never done drug tests, but we almost did one when an employee began having odd behavior and we found what looked like flakka on the bathroom floor after he left. We had previously found his Tumblr and uncovered a bunch of misbehaving and excessive alcohol consumption at trade shows and conventions he was sent to. drat that dude self-owned hard, crashed his car and got himself fired.
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Carbon dioxide posted:You folks are just strengthening my belief that American companies are crazy, and employees are even crazier for putting up with that poo poo. a friend of mine in high school worked filling newspaper vending machines for the detroit news. his company van's bumper got scratched while he was in 7-11 getting coffee and he had to piss for it not the coffee, like, he had to take a drug test 
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Memento posted:My job drug tests for minesite employees, random screen for opiates, weed and amphetamines. A dude driving a 200-ton ore truck with 400-ton of ore on the back of it isn't someone you want tweaking or sedated. It makes sense to test the guy driving the 200 ton haul truck. Not sure it makes as much sense to test the geologists or IT guys or whatever.
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Baronjutter posted:Another important thing about drug testing is that it should only test for relevant drugs that could affect the safety of what you do, not some blanket "illegal drugs = fired" policy. Stuff like weed stays in your system for a long time. You shouldn't have a huge water bong in your mining truck, but if you want to smoke till you're on the floor puking every weekend go nuts, work should not able to touch or judge you so long as you're not impaired during working hours. The cutoff for my work is 50ng/dL (THC-COOH). If you smoked up on Sunday evening, but dried out for 10-12 hours, you'll be under it. The guys that tested positive when these programs started coming in around the mid-90s were registering 500-800ng/dL, which means they've woken up, ripped a bunch of cones and then wandered over to start their shift. I agree, what you do on your own time is your own business, but actually working high will end up getting you and everyone else killed. We have official company direction that if you drink alcohol, you should be dry for 12 hours before shift of any sort on site. This means basically no drinking on a school night because you've got 14-15 hour days, and they breath test every morning. They know that a combination of Australians and tradespeople means you cannot possibly stop them from drinking altogether, so they give guidelines and direction for it. I heard a story of a mine in Tasmania that introduced urine testing in 1999, and they did it by saying "right, everyone here for the morning shift needs to piss in cups, and we'll be doing the same for the evening shift". One of the directors was taking a poo poo later that day and overheard a conversation from two evening shift workers saying that so-and-so had asked his wife to give him some clean piss because he knew he wouldn't pass. It got a lot more random after that.
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Memento posted:The cutoff for my work is 50ng/dL (THC-COOH). If you smoked up on Sunday evening, but dried out for 10-12 hours, you'll be under it. The guys that tested positive when these programs started coming in around the mid-90s were registering 500-800ng/dL, which means they've woken up, ripped a bunch of cones and then wandered over to start their shift. I agree, what you do on your own time is your own business, but actually working high will end up getting you and everyone else killed. Didn't know they could do this for weed, that's pretty cool. scrubs season six posted:It makes sense to test the guy driving the 200 ton haul truck. Not sure it makes as much sense to test the geologists or IT guys or whatever. ehhh I've been to a few mining sites to pick up limestone, there are "deathtraps" everywhere, meaning if you're not paying attention you could get run over by a 200 ton truck that can't see you, or you could walk into some poo poo that will hurt you with impunity, it's probably best to just blanket it. MF_James fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Jul 19, 2017 |
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Memento posted:My job drug tests for minesite employees, random screen for opiates, weed and amphetamines. A dude driving a 200-ton ore truck with 400-ton of ore on the back of it isn't someone you want tweaking or sedated. We should treat them like combat pilots and give them high quality uppers and downers courtesy of the Taxpayers
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sneakyfrog posted:or just to threaten you arbitrarily because they want to "keep you on your best behavior" I'm thinking that my job is just doing this. As I stated previously in the thread, my crew has to be a "role model" due to being quality control. I think there's also a bit of scrutiny over us ever since that one kid died by climbing into the robot cage. The monthly tests don't exactly bug me, as I do nothing but drink on the weekend, but there was a time when I'd been on hydromorphone and it was always a pain in the rear end to explain why I was popping up positive for opiates. In fact, I worked for a housekeeping service back in St. Petersburg, FL some years ago. My boss found out that I was homeless(I was awaiting my VA pension and so on, which involved some litigation because I disagreed with my percentage, yadda yadda) and demanded that I take a drug test because she ....assumed all homeless people were criminals...? I have no idea. I didn't have anything to hide and I wanted to keep my job, so I agreed. I popped positive for opiates. I explained that I was recovering from surgery at the time of filing the meds, two months prior and kept the pills for lingering pain if it happened to get bad(colon cancer was a motherfucker for pain). My boss didn't buy this at all. She said that "You probably sell them! You need money if you're homeless!", I informed her that if I were selling pills in downtown St. Petersburg, I'd likely have a criminal record. I didn't. She didn't want to hear it though, and shitcanned me. That's when my butthurt with society began and I just began passing hot checks --which DID give me that criminal record my boss was so eager to find on me. But, in the end, my jail term kicked my VA settlement into high gear. Hooray? Speaking of the VA. When I was in the Army, we did monthly drug tests. I'm not sure how in depth their panel was.
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friendo, they have threatened me for 14+ years about drug testing. not goddamn once. especially us ex military folks, poo poo you cant buy that type of integrated loyalty, just remember you are in the private sector and you are a walking tax break, make sure to take care of yourself.
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Synthbuttrange posted:I could watch this all day And so you are cursed to watch it FOREVER
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https://i.imgur.com/Sn0lFK7.gifv I want one, thing probably costs a fortune though.
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sneakyfrog posted:friendo, they have threatened me for 14+ years about drug testing. not goddamn once. Really? I always was called in for my monthly test when I was active duty. Maybe because I was a rigger? ...I dunno. I had a friend who was a Navy SEAL and drank himself retarded on a nightly basis. He ended up getting tanked and then found a cadence audio tape, randomly(and loudly) played it over the PA at like 3am, and then passed out in the basement of a barracks. They wanted him to go to rehab or else be discharged. He took the discharge instead. He wasn't exactly the brightest man I'd met. Lime Tonics posted:https://i.imgur.com/Sn0lFK7.gifv  ...I want one, too.
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i don't need the loving straps tho, that's for wimps
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Tumble posted:i don't need the loving straps tho, that's for wimps Don't say that around the Escort/Entertainer Worker union rep, they're really anal about safety regulations
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something happened to my avatar and I'm not sure who to blame . :v
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Phanatic posted:D. Never stealing is always wrong under all circumstances. hell yeah
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Synthbuttrange posted:something happened to my avatar and I'm not sure who to blame . :v Yourself
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Lime Tonics posted:https://i.imgur.com/Sn0lFK7.gifv What? No frog act to stumble out of the box? Anyways I always request background checks and psychological evaluations of the company's top executives and immediate families when I apply for jobs. Why should I risk my career on a company that could tank due the CEO's gambling addiction?
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haha i had to post this because we were having the drug testing discussion earlier my wife does executive recruiting for loan officers and VPs and poo poo in the mortgage industry and had a phone interview with a guy who was drunk on the phone he got rejected and is now suing her company saying that they discriminated against him due to a disability carlifornia!
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Synthbuttrange posted:something happened to my avatar and I'm not sure who to blame . :v Its very befitting.
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The place I got piss tested at blared christian music into the waiting room and the tinkle test bathroom itself. The only decoration consisted of several racks of whacko religious program pamphlets. Seems about right. Oddly enough my tests were always random and they didn't bother when I poked a hole in a drum of MEK with the forklift.
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MrYenko posted:A restaurant that drug tests would never have enough employees to open the doors. Remember that mental health is part of OHS&W. They may be testing to see if you've taken enough drugs to handle the work environment.
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MF_James posted:I have worked 6 different jobs, none of them drug tested, I am in the US, and can confirm the only job I applied for that asked for a drug test was to be a low level employee at Jewel (possibly bagger, I forget, I was 16), I thanked the guy for his time and walked out as soon as he mentioned drug test. I also smoked a lot of weed at 16 and maybe I have done it since then, but would never do so at, or before, work. Jewel drug tests are only a 24 hour swab administered on site by HR. They're ridiculously easy to pass.
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The last Big Dumb Company I worked for drug tested everyone because they were a federal contractor and that was a requirement in the contract. In fact, one of the reason I got hired in the first place is my predecessor failed his piss test when they went to hire him permanently.
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Speaking of drug testing Toronto's public transportation company just instituted random drug testing. The first person they tested was drunk lol. They randomly drug test almost everyone in the company from the CEO down to the drivers, as well as all driver when they gently caress up and crash. https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2017/05/10/first-ttc-worker-tested-under-new-drug-policy-found-to-be-impaired.html
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Carbon dioxide posted:Wait, BLOOD tests too? Once it goes to the level of taking blood, a whole bunch of different laws about "integrity of the human body" start applying and my previous post wasn't even about those, it was just about piss tests or whatever they do. I suppose blood tests are possible here in extremely specific circumstances, much stricter than with piss tests, with employers having to jump through a huge number of hoops to prove they really need this. To clarify I don't know/think the drug tests take your blood, just piss. Bloods is health checks.
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My wife had to take a hair follicle test to be employed beyond a spa attendant. Some companies are nucking futs.
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I work in California, so I just tell every potential employer that I smoke weed on the weekends, and therefore can't work weekends.
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Turtlicious posted:I work in California, so I just tell every potential employer that I smoke weed on the weekends, and therefore can't work weekends. and just think, if we took up arms and installed obama as dictator for life less than a year ago we'd already have weed welfare e: and islamic communism
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MrYenko posted:I'm subject to random, on-the-spot drug testing. Same here. We do pre-hire drug testing and then have our own on-site urine testing along with a breathalyzer for the random testing. I had to escort a guy to get FFD tested Wednesday afternoon actually, but it was after an incident had occurred.
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Former DILF posted:and just think, if we took up arms and installed obama as dictator for life less than a year ago we'd already have weed welfare goddamn would that be dope as gently caress
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I don't think the straps on that cutting tool are to help hold it. I think they're to keep it from hitting the ground if he drops it. Bonus points if it can say on when dropped; continuously firing that 'wreck your poo poo' beam as it bobs and swings on it's tether.
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Moto42 posted:I don't think the straps on that cutting tool are to help hold it. I think they're to keep it from hitting the ground if he drops it. If that's a plasma torch it can only fire the gently caress Your poo poo Beam at whatever the other electrode is clamped to.
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