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Antti posted:I don't think Obama seriously entertained scenario 2 because he thought bipartisanship and patriotism was still a thing. He simply figured that government programs that help people are popular and difficult to unwind, and helped pass what he thought was good healthcare reform with the tools he had at his disposal, while still preserving the insurance business model, and hoping that inertia will keep it in place the same way Medicare has survived. I've always had a problem with this interpretation because Obama's not an idiot, he had to have known going in that his presidency was going to be at least hotly contested, at worst mostly neutered due to racist backlash. Bipartisanship has been dead in national politics since Reagan, at least for the Left, and Obama contrary to his image with the Right was not some political neophyte.
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Kulkasha posted:I've always had a problem with this interpretation because Obama's not an idiot, he had to have known going in that his presidency was going to be at least hotly contested, at worst mostly neutered due to racist backlash. Bipartisanship has been dead in national politics since Reagan, at least for the Left, and Obama contrary to his image with the Right was not some political neophyte.
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business hammocks posted:Sounds like a history lesson from Bannon, keeping Hitler and Napoleon in Trump's thoughts. It's sort of comforting how much stupider Trump is than Hitler. Hitler was a historically monstrous person but he was so much more cunning than Trump there is no comparison. If Trump fails at being historically destructive it will be due to incompetence, not lack of lovely intent.
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Antti posted:I think the point was that ATC waking up and going "hey go around, don't land" was what prevented the disaster. It is still possible that the pilot decided to go around after hearing the other pilot complain, and that he simply confirmed to the ATC that he is already doing that. His wording "In the go around" and not "Going around" hints at that. Considering his confusion with the lights he probably wouldn't have needed much outside concern to decide to go around. We will have to wait and see.
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evilweasel posted:The ACA was absolutely designed to be as hard as possible to undo but it is not conservative and never has been. It took the mandate, the thing borrowed from the heritage foundation, but added far, far more to it. There has never been a real conservative health care plan, merely bullshit to suggest there was one while opposing reform. I think you could argue that any health care law that isn't universal healthcare for all, is a conservative law.
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als as a reminder most citizens who currently lack health insurance lack it because the Supreme Court made Medicaid expansion optional (it was not, unless a state wanted to give up ALL Medicaid funding) and republicans preventing their citizens from getting Medicaid out of spite
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Okay, I just noticed something about Trump and it's bugging me now. He does this thing, doesn't he, where he just makes up specific, non-round numbers on the spot? Like usually when people don't know something they use an ambiguous number like "millions", or a round approximate number "about a hundred". Trump however gives a precise lie. "35 degrees below zero" "700,000 dollars" "12 dollars a year from age 21" "at least 60-65 people" "51 senators today" It's really weird. None of those numbers are correct - and none of them even need to be. He's just lying for no reason. Fangz fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Master Twig posted:I think you could argue that any health care law that isn't universal healthcare for all, is a conservative law. Only if you use definition of "conservative" that has little to do with "conservative" politicians in our country.
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Antti posted:One of the big underreported stories is that Medicaid expansion was one of the key cornerstones of PPACA and the people drafting it didn't fully consider the notion that a state would cynically turn down free money from the federal government for purely partisan reasons. It wasn't possible until the Supreme Court suddenly decided it was.
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Antti posted:One of the big underreported stories is that Medicaid expansion was one of the key cornerstones of PPACA and the people drafting it didn't fully consider the notion that a state would cynically turn down free money from the federal government for purely partisan reasons. One of the legal attacks on the aca which made its way to the Supreme Court resulted in a 5 4 split where the Roberts ignored prior precedent and made it possible for states to reject the money, keep in their state the old narrower eligibility criteria, and say no to the money on behalf of their constituents. People at that time were suguesting that no state would cynically turn down that money after their politburo judges cynically allowed them to do so.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I stole this from the GIP thread: We should be receiving publicly released, annual physical exam reports on the President.
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Fangz posted:Okay, I just noticed something about Trump and it's bugging me now. He does this thing, doesn't he, where he just makes up specific, non-round numbers on the spot? Like usually when people don't know something they use an ambiguous number like "millions", or a round approximate number "about a hundred". Trump however gives a precise lie. His lying makes more sense if you remember that exaggerating big numbers always impresses people (in his mind), and he's done that his entire real-estate and business career. Combine that with this brain turning into moosh and he just makes up big numbers because it makes him sound impressive to his idiot audience. There is no tactic here, there is no greater meaning.
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Fangz posted:Okay, I just noticed something about Trump and it's bugging me now. He does this thing, doesn't he, where he just makes up specific, non-round numbers on the spot? Like usually when people don't know something they use an ambiguous number like "millions", or a round approximate number "about a hundred". Trump however gives a precise lie. That's something habitual liars do because very specific numbers sound more believable than rounded off figures.
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Insanite posted:hosed up if true. Money is speech and cannot be regulated. Unless you refuse to spend it the right way, in which case go to prison.
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John McCain having a brain tumor explains so much.
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evilweasel posted:The ACA was absolutely designed to be as hard as possible to undo but it is not conservative and never has been. It took the mandate, the thing borrowed from the heritage foundation, but added far, far more to it. There has never been a real conservative health care plan, merely bullshit to suggest there was one while opposing reform. Let me warn you.
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There Bias Two posted:We should be receiving publicly released, annual physical exam reports on the President. Actually, I disagree on this. Partly for security reasons and partly due to things like Roosevelt's polio. But clearly we need a better system than what we have now.
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That newest otherworldly interview with the NYT is more than baffling than the last few. I wondered why he decided to do this, but I genuinely think he felt frustrated and lonely that the health care thing didn't result in the level of approval and validation he needs. He needed Maggie to show up and nod deferential at him and say yes to him and soothe him with her non confrontational manner. O kept calling him wrong too often, because I kept hunting through his shithouse behavior for plans and strategy. But this isn't planned, he's acting on need and desire and pathology.
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Glazier posted:Money is speech and cannot be regulated. Unless you refuse to spend it the right way, in which case go to prison. Money is speech and not supporting Zionism is hate speech.
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Randbrick posted:That newest otherworldly interview with the NYT is more than baffling than the last few. I wondered why he decided to do this, but I genuinely think he felt frustrated and lonely that the health care thing didn't result in the level of approval and validation he needs. He needed Maggie to show up and nod deferential at him and say yes to him and soothe him with her non confrontational manner. O kept calling him wrong too often, because I kept hunting through his shithouse behavior for plans and strategy. But this isn't planned, he's acting on need and desire and pathology. Yup. He's just a ball of firing neurons. And Hillary still managed to lose to him, goddammit
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Randbrick posted:As written, the aca did not make this optional. The act expanded medicaid eligibility generally with a large federal copay, starting at like 90%, but tapering down over time. That part was actually 7-2 IIRC
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Actually, I disagree on this. Partly for security reasons and partly due to things like Roosevelt's polio. But clearly we need a better system than what we have now. I'd be happy with just a disclosure of yes/no on certain details. I get not knowing his entire medical history but it is in the national interest to know if his BMI/BP/etc are all within safe margins or not. Likewise, I don't need the exact results of a drug screen or MRI/whatever but just knowing they were done and came back good wouldn't hurt. Not being in any way versed in HIPAA or the medical field I'm sure even that is stepping too far in places. I just wouldn't mind knowing our leader isn't high or about to appoint a squirrel to the Cabinet in a bout of senility. A counterpoint worthy of discussion would be Reagan vs. Roosevelt. Alzheimer's vs Polio as a valid disclosure and so on.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/samthielman/status/887987198146097152 
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Retro42 posted:I'd be happy with just a disclosure of yes/no on certain details. I get not knowing his entire medical history but it is in the national interest to know if his BMI/BP/etc are all within safe margins or not. Likewise, I don't need the exact results of a drug screen or MRI/whatever but just knowing they were done and came back good wouldn't hurt. Yah, I agree it's a valid concern, I just can't come up with a good rule that wouldn't potentially cause security issues or unfair political blowback.
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skylined! posted:it's 830 and Jeff sessions has not resigned He never had any self respect.
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Solaris 2.0 posted:I stole this from the GIP thread: You know, normally, this would be a major gaffe. But since we are currently fully emerged in the river of slime from Ghostbusters 2, the most that will happen will be an exhausted shrug. And the ghost trains will still continue to run on time.
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Javes posted:https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/888014944947580928 Steven Tyler touring with Aerosmith
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Javes posted:https://twitter.com/jmartNYT/status/888014944947580928 Probably calling Australia and smoothing things over when Trump was being a poo poo to them.
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Antti posted:Edit: In retrospect, having an informal constitutional order where the legality of the executive's actions is monitored and enforced by a DOJ which is supposed to be independent yet under the direct control of the executive was a stupid idea that couldn't survive long-term, and was basically a band-aid that was put in place to avoid the painful process of constitutional reform. How else would that be done? Would people vote for the doj head? evilweasel posted:The ACA was absolutely designed to be as hard as possible to undo but it is not conservative and never has been. It took the mandate, the thing borrowed from the heritage foundation, but added far, far more to it. There has never been a real conservative health care plan, merely bullshit to suggest there was one while opposing reform. The bill doesn't work without the mandate, imo. Removing the mandate would have destroyed the bill, Medicare funding be damned.
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/samthielman/status/887987198146097152 gently caress yes. Shinzo Abe is a class A shithead though, don't forget that.
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EugeneJ posted:Steven Tyler touring with Aerosmith holy poo poo
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Fulchrum posted:Can someone get a definite answer on this, because we've been going back and forth on it all day. There are two camps - one saying the replacement would finish McCains term, one saying they would have an election in 2018. Which is right? I genuinely forgot that McCain wasn't up in 2018. 
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McCain lived a long life of privilege, wealth and power and he often choose to make the world a worse place. gently caress him.
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If Roberta McCain outlives her 80yr old son we are truly in the worst possible timeline. Say what you want about politics, but some poo poo is just not right.
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Dick Trauma posted:McCain lived a long life of privilege, wealth and power and he often choose to make the world a worse place. gently caress him. Ever thought that maybe him crashing that plane and being tortured is what damaged his brain and made him Republican? Huh?
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GreyjoyBastard posted:I genuinely forgot that McCain wasn't up in 2018. And they wanted to primary Flake, which probably has to be called off because I doubt the GOP is going to want to defend two seats in Arizona next year.
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