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That a Senator would get brain cancer and die screwing over his party's president's attempt at signature health Care reform at a critical moment... History may not repeat itself, but it drat sure rhymes 
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Jul 20, 2017 16:09
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Just a little context with McCain. He flew an attack plane from an aircraft carrier which was about as hideously dangerous as it gets. Taking off can kill you, landings can kill you and in between you face much faster enemy fighters all so you can point your airplane straight down to accurately drop bombs on enemy positions. I'm fully convinced that the Navy let him keep flying because nobody else is that insane. Heh yeah but, chairforce, privilege, Palin, heh glad dying, heh
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Jul 20, 2017 16:11
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Smol posted:I just want to know that what kind of work does a guy like Manafort actually do to earn a $12M (or whatever the exact sum was) paycheck. You got a bunch of cash, but it's stolen. You need to domesticate and clean that cash so you can continue being baller. You'd hire a Manafort to take that cash and buy real estate on the us through an anonymous llc. Like that time Paul Manafort got caught at lax with 10 million in money stolen out the Filipino treasury in a briefcase, working for Marcos, because that's his loving game. Maybe if prosecutors hadn't spent the past few decades being lazy cowards who take a cut of money laundered proceeds for their win and instead put these fuckers in jail we wouldn't have so many renowned money launderers running around.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:11
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Dr. Angela Ziegler posted:That a Senator would get brain cancer and die screwing over his party's president's attempt at signature health Care reform at a critical moment... https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/888047682828226561 My heart bleeds for them, but fortunately Obamacare covers that.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:11
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Let's all just agree that of all the things McCain did in his life that showed cowardice, flying a plane and getting tortured in Vietnam was not one of them. I am still of the opinion that the election broke him. he seemed like a reasonable person until they saddled him with Palin and started making him walk the line.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:12
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Let's all just agree that of all the things McCain did in his life that showed cowardice, flying a plane and getting tortured in Vietnam was not one of them. He wasn't saddled with her. He picked her. It's going to be in the first graph of his Obit and he deserves it.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:14
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farraday posted:https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/888047682828226561 DeMint just didn't realize that President Obama's middle name was "Wellington". That's why he hid the birth certificate.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:15
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How many federal investigations has trump undergone? And has he ever had the kind of firepower pointing at him as he does now with mueller and his team?
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Jul 20, 2017 16:15
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cr0y posted:How many federal investigations has trump undergone? And has he ever had the kind of firepower pointing at him as he does now with mueller and his team? Nothing like this before, but he did manage to functionally beat a federal housing discrimination investigation back in the 80's, largely by using media intimidation tactics until he could force a settlement.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:17
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Randbrick posted:He's a bag man. Let's sat you're the dictator of a country. Any country, but let's pick the Philippines, for funsies. And your name is uh Macros. And you just raided the poo poo out some sweet state utility profits and some pensions. Say to the tune of 10 million in your latest taking. Just when you think you'd heard every scummy thing about Manafort, you learn he also laundered the Marcos' shoe fund.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:17
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By not resigning, Jeff Sessions is basically daring the President to fire him, with the calculation that he couldn't, that such a move would basically have to be a repeat of the Saturday Night Massacre. Does Trump have control over the people in his own administration anymore?
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Jul 20, 2017 16:18
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Let's all just agree that of all the things McCain did in his life that showed cowardice, flying a plane and getting tortured in Vietnam was not one of them. I think McCain is incredibly honor bound. He's not ruthless. He has a somewhat reasonable morale compass, but also feels he owes his allegiance to his party.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:19
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1337JiveTurkey posted:Just a little context with McCain. He flew an attack plane from an aircraft carrier which was about as hideously dangerous as it gets. Taking off can kill you, landings can kill you and in between you face much faster enemy fighters all so you can point your airplane straight down to accurately drop bombs on enemy positions. I'm fully convinced that the Navy let him keep flying because nobody else is that insane. Imagine risking your life countless times to fight for your country, then selling it out decades later to some orange hate golem in cahoots with your enemy, lol
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Jul 20, 2017 16:20
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Just noticed my spam box has a bunch of "TRUMPCARE IS HERE" junk with links for how to sign up. After a little poking at them it looks like they all go to slightly sketchy looking healthcare plan search sites which have skinned a separate landing page with Trump all over it to make it look like "Trumpcare" is totally a thing and you have to sign up for a plan. I bet tons of people who don't know better or just blindly trust anything with Trump on it are falling for this.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:20
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Democrazy posted:By not resigning, Jeff Sessions is basically daring the President to fire him, with the calculation that he couldn't, that such a move would basically have to be a repeat of the Saturday Night Massacre. Between that, and Mueller starting to look into Trump's business transactions, things are shaping up to be more exciting than ever before.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:21
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skylined! posted:is there anyway to interpret this other than the investigation team taunting trump Seems more like Trump broadcasting that there's something worthwhile there so they're diligently following up
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Jul 20, 2017 16:21
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CmdrRiker posted:I think McCain is incredibly honor bound. He's not ruthless. He has a somewhat reasonable morale compass, but also feels he owes his allegiance to his party. That seems like a fair assessment. If politics were less partisan I wonder if he could be one of the more moderating forces. As it stands now, however, he is just two-faced.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:21
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mcmagic posted:He wasn't saddled with her. He picked her. It's going to be in the first graph of his Obit and he deserves it. The crazy thing about Palin is that I'm pretty sure she was promoted by Bill Kristol. He's obviously a product of nepotism, but he's far more on the elite end of the GOP than the populist end, to the point that he was anti-Trump during the election, but he foisted that idiot woman on the country. McCain obviously deserves plenty of criticism for picking her, but she turned out to be way worse than anyone expected (which obviously points to terrible vetting). She really was a proto-Trump in a lot of ways though, including total lack of knowledge and disinterest in actually governing.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:21
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mcmagic posted:He wasn't saddled with her. He picked her. It's going to be in the first graph of his Obit and he deserves it. Yeah. I mean, obviously I don't wish ill health on the man, but between stuntcasting Palin for a role that she was overly out of her depth for and looking the other way while the Tea Party took root, you can draw some pretty heavy correlations between McCain's campaign and the current state of the GOP.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:21
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[quote="“Flip Yr Wig”" post="“474549117”"] Just when you think you’d heard every scummy thing about Manafort, you learn he also laundered the Marcos’ shoe fund. [/quote] It also shows you Manafort knows how this whole ‘international’ thing works. When he failed to register as a foreign agent while working for the Ukraine it was on purpose. Donny and Donny Jr can claim ignorance. Manafort can not. Edit: in regards to Palin, that was McCain’s moonshot. He was going to run on Iraq, which was good because he was for the surge that finally turned the tide whereas Obama was against it. Then the economy hit and suddenly no one cared about Iraq. He had to do something to energize the base and, on paper, Palin looked good. The fact she was a loving loon only became apparent after it was too late to change. Keep in mind, Palin was governor of a state in good financial shape, appealed to women (a GOP weak spot), had a special needs baby instead of an abortion, a son going off to war, and some witty one liners. She also had almost no bad political baggage. All that came later. Krispy Wafer fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Jul 20, 2017 16:22
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Democrazy posted:By not resigning, Jeff Sessions is basically daring the President to fire him, with the calculation that he couldn't, that such a move would basically have to be a repeat of the Saturday Night Massacre. Well Sessions has no control over the Russia stuff so if he's firing someone to try to get their underling to fire Mueller, I don't think Sessions will be in that line.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:22
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DreamShipWrecked posted:I am still of the opinion that the election broke him. he seemed like a reasonable person until they saddled him with Palin and started making him walk the line. "Saddled?" Haha he picked her, it was part of his "Maverick" style
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Jul 20, 2017 16:23
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HappyHippo posted:Seems more like Trump broadcasting that there's something worthwhile there so they're diligently following up It's not the investigation that's the taunt, it's letting the investigation leak immediately after Trump talks about it that's taunting.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:24
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Fart City posted:Yeah. I mean, obviously I don't wish ill health on the man, but between stuntcasting Palin for a role that she was overly out of her depth for and looking the other way while the Tea Party took root, you can draw some pretty heavy correlations between McCain's campaign and the current state of the GOP. Yeah, Palin on a national ticket is a direct precursor to Trumpism.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:24
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You can respect McCain's courage in Vietnam and feel bad for him and his family for dealing with such a difficult medical issue, and also, like, not really be that worried about him dying because he's an 80 year old man who has done a lot in life already and many much better people than McCain die every second imo
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Jul 20, 2017 16:24
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Spiritus Nox posted:It's not the investigation that's the taunt, it's letting the investigation leak immediately after Trump talks about it that's taunting. Maybe they're hoping he'll give up some more leads
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Jul 20, 2017 16:26
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enraged_camel posted:Between that, and Mueller starting to look into Trump's business transactions, things are shaping up to be more exciting than ever before. And Trump is going to get super reckless trying to shield his business finances. What a wonderful and terrible time to be alive
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Jul 20, 2017 16:26
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mcmagic posted:Well Sessions has no control over the Russia stuff so if he's firing someone to try to get their underling to fire Mueller, I don't think Sessions will be in that line. Sessions replacement would not be recused from the Russia investigation and could freely fire Mueller.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:26
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Casey Finnigan posted:You can respect McCain's courage in Vietnam and feel bad for him and his family for dealing with such a difficult medical issue, and also, like, not really be that worried about him dying because he's an 80 year old man who has done a lot in life already and many much better people than McCain die every second imo To paraphrase what some said after the baseball diamond shooting, "I'm not happy, but I'm not particularly upset" HappyHippo posted:"Saddled?" Haha he picked her, it was part of his "Maverick" style I always have thought it was a "you must ask her" thing from the party. Maybe I am wrong, but that seems logical given where he was working from. He doesn't seem the kind of person to play on tokenism
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Jul 20, 2017 16:27
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This is a great thread and as a lurker I'd like to thank you all. Except for the people that keep talking about McCains military record, each post males Karl Rove stronger
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Jul 20, 2017 16:28
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Casey Finnigan posted:You can respect McCain's courage in Vietnam and feel bad for him and his family for dealing with such a difficult medical issue, and also, like, not really be that worried about him dying because he's an 80 year old man who has done a lot in life already and many much better people than McCain die every second imo Nobody's saying anyone needs to be crying buckets. It's just the preemptively dancing on people's graves thing some people in this thread like doing that others find offputting. If you believe in an ideology rooted in humanism, turning into a loving ghoul whenever someone you don't like dies isn't putting your best foot forward.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:28
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DreamShipWrecked posted:I always have thought it was a "you must ask her" thing from the party. Maybe I am wrong, but that seems logical given where he was working from. I think it was "as the most moderate republican in ages in a time where the tea party is a dominating force in US politics you have to do SOMETHING to reach out for them or you will get zero votes and lose" rather than any specific person telling him specifically he had to.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:29
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hiddenmovement posted:This is a great thread and as a lurker I'd like to thank you all. Except for the people that keep talking about McCains military record, Karl Rove can hear you. So, roads are these things people drive their cars on and most of the time they're paid for by taxes unless you live in Texas where we just let some Spanish company build all your roads and charge people $4.00 to drive half a mile on them.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:29
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mcmagic posted:Well Sessions has no control over the Russia stuff so if he's firing someone to try to get their underling to fire Mueller, I don't think Sessions will be in that line. I don't know how to interpret Trump's comments other than an attempt to get Sessions to resign and to get someone in who will keep the investigation in check. Sessions has no control over the Russia stuff, Trump is trying to get someone who he thinks will be able to get control over it.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:30
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Sessions replacement would not be recused from the Russia investigation and could freely fire Mueller. Sessions' replacement is going to face pretty heavy scrutiny in hearings, even from some in the GOP, if Sessions is fired because he can't tamp out the Russia probe. Or so the eternal optimist in me has to believe, anyway. Don't crush my dreams!
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Jul 20, 2017 16:30
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Vietnam war
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Jul 20, 2017 16:30
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:I think it was "as the most moderate republican in ages in a time where the tea party is a dominating force in US politics you have to do SOMETHING to reach out for them or you will get zero votes and lose" rather than any specific person telling him specifically he had to. The tea party wasn't a thing until after the election
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Jul 20, 2017 16:32
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Casey Finnigan posted:You can respect McCain's courage in Vietnam and feel bad for him and his family for dealing with such a difficult medical issue, and also, like, not really be that worried about him dying because he's an 80 year old man who has done a lot in life already and many much better people than McCain die every second imo His is going to have a very mixed legacy. I tend to agree that he isn't a good person but he has also lived a very complicated life and did some admirable things. I really don't feel like celebrating his impending death. At least not in the way i would be if his state had a democratic governor.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:32
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My former boss died of glioblastoma last August. It's a very hard end to have to face.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:33
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Sinteres posted:Nobody's saying anyone needs to be crying buckets. It's just the preemptively dancing on people's graves thing some people in this thread like doing that others find offputting. If you believe in an ideology rooted in humanism, turning into a loving ghoul whenever someone you don't like dies isn't putting your best foot forward. It is kind of a hard thing, since it's such a base instinct to be joyful in the downfall of an enemy. If it is because of sickness, well... I do hope that he recovers, seriously. Recovers and lives out the rest of his life with his family, far far away from Washington DC. I don't want him dead, I just want him gone.
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Jul 20, 2017 16:34
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