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logikv9 posted:i'm pretty sure that nobody is asking for hordes of blue collar Americans to be retrained in computer programming, that's what they have their "young grandchild who is good at computers" for You're wrong, that's pretty much the startup guru's answer to any poverty. FFS just do a google search with the words "miner" and "coding," that's all we can think of doing. Large scale projects to create local hubs of renewable energy aren't what's talked about when they talk about Job Retraining. It's teaching laid off factory workers how to do entry level coding.
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Concerned Citizen posted:Cool so your answer to "I can't get a job" is "well we can give you a fraction of what you used to earn with no prospect of escape from a barely-above-poverty existence." Weirdly, it might just be possible to both give people the means to get the kind of job they want and also provide protection from poverty. man i'm sure the miners would be completely useless if we restarted the CCC
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GalacticAcid posted:the way to get people better jobs is to make their jobs better not to make them better people coincidentally, giving people better jobs and better lives so they dont become angry and desperate also makes them better people
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Raskolnikov38 posted:seriously have these jobs retraining programs even trained a single person There are actually good pilot programs that ought to be expanded at some community colleges where they partner with local employers and train people for specific jobs they can take when they finish the program. Obviously that's not a solution in and of itself but it does help people.
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seems like a good deal imo existence isn't even a full time job
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Raskolnikov38 posted:man i'm sure the miners would be completely useless if we restarted the CCC Yeah I'm not really sure this idea that we have no jobs for people to do comes from. FFS the democratic party of the 30's figured this out why the gently caress can't we in 2017
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TRUMP: we shall cover the nation in two inches of piss at all times to keep out the Mexicans DEMOCRATS: what if we made the piss warm.
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there's a shitload of jobs to be had if we start addressing our crumbling infrastructure.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:man i'm sure the miners would be completely useless if we restarted the CCC Well any CCC would have a training aspect to it since most modern construction requires skilled labor.
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http://gothamist.com/2017/07/19/schumer_gillibrand_co-sponsor_senat.php Let's talk about Schumer and Gillibrand wanting to criminalize boycotting Israel!!!! I love my dead gay party!!!!!!
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"If you don't have something nice to say about someone sit next to me" - Elenore Roosevelt
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love 2 criminalized free speech
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Concerned Citizen posted:Well any CCC would have a training aspect to it since most modern construction requires skilled labor. minus the engineer to design it and the environmental impacts guy i can't imagine cutting a hiking trail requiring skilled labor. maybe some dudes to pour concrete
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Matt Zerella posted:there's a shitload of jobs to be had if we start addressing our crumbling infrastructure. Yep. And the people who used to work in factories and mines actually have skills relevant to those tasks. You could keep those folks working on infrastructure for the rest of their careers instead of feeding them some bullshit retraining scam. Most Americans would probably be in favor of it, too. That's why it will probably never happen.
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At this point the dems should just sink all their money into creating an AI recreation of FDR and run that for president.
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MODS CURE JOKES posted:http://gothamist.com/2017/07/19/schumer_gillibrand_co-sponsor_senat.php quote:Violators of the law "would be subject to a minimum civil penalty of $250,000 and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison" 20 years for not sucking israel's dick
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Venom Snake posted:At this point the dems should just sink all their money into creating an AI recreation of FDR and run that for president. it would destroy them all, coming to the accurate conclusion that they are bad
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MODS CURE JOKES posted:http://gothamist.com/2017/07/19/schumer_gillibrand_co-sponsor_senat.php
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Raskolnikov38 posted:minus the engineer to design it and the environmental impacts guy i can't imagine cutting a hiking trail requiring skilled labor. maybe some dudes to pour concrete lmao. you pick up masonry, road working, Sawyer licensing, pesticide liscensing. probably a few others that's just what I saw while doing conservation work.
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sawyering owns and is the most satisfying thing on the planet get every middle american unemployed 20-something out in the woods chainsawing poo poo and i guarantee the alt-right would disappear overnight
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We clone John Adams and do like that old c-spam thread an elect him to office for eternity
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jBrereton posted:$250,000 for not buying jaffa oranges, what the gently caress this is a dynamic new solution to capitalism failing' make laws that force people to support brands
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Grondoth posted:You're wrong, that's pretty much the startup guru's answer to any poverty. this is a Bitcoin trap and I won't be fooled, evil Satan
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Agean90 posted:lmao. you pick up masonry, road working, Sawyer licensing, pesticide liscensing. probably a few others that's just what I saw while doing conservation work. i mean i was thinking of just a dirt path with some concrete path markers
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Main Paineframe posted:socialism, you idiot So I see you and Rick Perry learned economics from the same text book; "You put the supply out there and the demand will follow".
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paranoid randroid posted:sawyering owns and is the most satisfying thing on the planet deffo. doesn't matter who you are first time you fire one up you woot
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I want Trump to executively order a similar bill about not buying Russian just for fairness' sake.
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20 years in prison 
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We support criminal justice reform!!
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The workforce development system has essentially zero teeth to make businesses do anything at all and it mostly consists of begging/'enticing' businesses to cooperate. The community colleges often involved make a noble effort and have had some success but there is always the danger employers will walk away from a program or change their mind.
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Matt Zerella posted:there's a shitload of jobs to be had if we start addressing our crumbling infrastructure. Not to mention labor intensive work like caring for the sick. If only there were lots of sick people who could somehow...become eligible to seek medical treatment 
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Venom Snake posted:At this point the dems should just sink all their money into creating an AI recreation of FDR and run that for president. if you thought elon musk was afraid of ais now just think of how he'll react to this
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excuse me citizen, i see you haven't bought your weekly ration of Mcdonalds Mandatory Meals
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As in everything, the problems flow directly from capitalism and any training solution will at the core involve eliminating or (what a joke) regulating capitalism. In any realistic form in the United States skills retraining is of dubious value, in a different system it would be different.
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the literal violence of not buying products made in Israel
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Taintrunner posted:the literal violence of not buying products made in Israel I just didn't want a sodastream!
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what a poo poo slogan holy lol
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AstheWorldWorlds posted:As in everything, the problems flow directly from capitalism and any training solution will at the core involve eliminating or (what a joke) regulating capitalism. In any realistic form in the United States skills retraining is of dubious value, in a different system it would be different. we need more regulation always
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Raskolnikov38 posted:i mean i was thinking of just a dirt path with some concrete path markers Have you ever been to a national park?
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