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i'm pretty sure that nobody is asking for hordes of blue collar Americans to be retrained in computer programming, that's what they have their "young grandchild who is good at computers" for
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the entire rust belt is effectively a car safari for long-form thinkpiece writers looking to put together yet another article about what trump voters think about the latest clusterfuck, and im thinking the best way to bring jobs back to the region would be to somehow monetize the practice
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perhaps integrate some sort of app
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jobs proposal: massive infrastructure investments to build massive highways providing a faster route out their state
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Main Paineframe posted:actually retraining is poo poo What is the alternative? If the coal mine runs out of coal, and you don't know anything other than mining, how do you support yourself? I'm all ears for a tenable alternative that actually helps people. And obviously there's all sorts of trades to be retrained into - plumbing, welding, electricians, whatever. It's not remotely a panacea but it is at least a path outside of "lol guess you should have read the BLS report on the 20 year outlook for your industry more closely, idiot."
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logikv9 posted:jobs proposal: massive infrastructure investments to build massive highways providing a faster route out their state This but unironically
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what happens if the code mine runs out of code?
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daddy got bitlung, down in the code mine
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Main Paineframe posted:actually retraining is poo poo The funny thing about STEM is that the same people that want everyone in dying industries to switch to STEM also want to increase H1-B visas a bunch and use them in exploitative ways not originally intended, man there sure must be a lot of STEM jobs out there  .
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logikv9 posted:why are we retraining coal miners to be coders in the middle of WV, a place where I am nearly certain they don't have internet let alone electricity because retraining into fields involving renewables would involve a sober, realistic look at how much demand there actually is for renewables workers with coding, they can skip that because the popular belief (spurred on by tech giants desperate to saturate the labor pool and capitalists who deliberately encourage the myth of easy well-paying guaranteed jobs) is that there is infinite demand for tech workers outside of the big cities, the job prospects for an entry-level coder are surprisingly bleak. you'll never hear that from anyone with money though, they've gotta maintain the idea that STEM is a golden ticket to prosperity and class mobility
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lol you're still coding and not retraining to become a miner in the asteroid belt
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MaxxBot posted:The funny thing about STEM is that the same people that want everyone in dying industries to switch to STEM also want to increase H1-B visas a bunch and use them in exploitative ways not originally intended, man there sure must be a lot of STEM jobs out there the same companies were also found to have engaged in a cartel where they agreed not to recruit from each other and shared pay information to keep wages down lol
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https://twitter.com/Yelix/status/880039728158052354 let's see if the "better deal" flips any of these to yes (lol it won't)
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I've retrained into Bitcoin mining
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Main Paineframe posted:because retraining into fields involving renewables would involve a sober, realistic look at how much demand there actually is for renewables workers sounds like we need to expand renewables problem solved you're welcome America
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Concerned Citizen posted:What is the alternative? If the coal mine runs out of coal, and you don't know anything other than mining, how do you support yourself? I'm all ears for a tenable alternative that actually helps people. And obviously there's all sorts of trades to be retrained into - plumbing, welding, electricians, whatever. It's not remotely a panacea but it is at least a path outside of "lol guess you should have read the BLS report on the 20 year outlook for your industry more closely, idiot." socialism, you idiot the core problem is that people's livelihoods depend on the whims of the job market. coal miners are dependent on the coal mining companies to make a living, and as soon as the coal is gone they're no longer useful and are dumped into poverty because theyre only allowed to eat as long as they are useful to capital the solution is not to pay to train them to be useful to a different sector of capital, it's to break that dependence on capital in the first place. maybe a GMI and nationalized healthcare, for starters?
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logikv9 posted:sounds like we need to expand renewables
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seriously even from a soulless capitalist husk standpoint there's no reason not to go big into renewables
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Along those same lines, our power grid is really old and antiquated and needs lots of improvements especially to integrate renewables.Yinlock posted:seriously even from a soulless capitalist husk standpoint there's no reason not to go big into renewables A non-insignificant proportion of conservatives think that renewables are literally some sort of liberal/leftist conspiracy to deindustrialize the west, it's a dumb conspiracy even by conservative standards because it requires you to believe that China is trying to deindustrialize itself to appease America and western Europe. MaxxBot has issued a correction as of 23:41 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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call to action posted:The good thread is the one where y'all talk about how to get President Mike Pence in power, right The woke brands thread was pretty good until it got all D&D recently. Other than that all threads are bad.
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MaxxBot posted:Along those same lines, our power grid is really old and antiquated and needs lots of improvements especially to integrate renewables. *serious green boom looms ever-closer on the horizon* master businessman donald j trump: you know what this calls for: coal
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logikv9 posted:i'm pretty sure that nobody is asking for hordes of blue collar Americans to be retrained in computer programming the democrats sure think so
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Is this where I go for better skills?
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Main Paineframe posted:retraining is garbage for idiots who think the problem is with the workers rather than the employers or the system
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*green boom slowly inches closer like the moon from majora's mask* democrats: that's stupid, what we really need is oil
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do people that have used the job training programs the democrats create when they can actually exist
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i think it should be available and affordable for those who want to do it but yes it is absolutely not a cure-all, or even a cure-anything
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Concerned Citizen posted:What is the alternative? If the coal mine runs out of coal, and you don't know anything other than mining, how do you support yourself? I'm all ears for a tenable alternative that actually helps people. And obviously there's all sorts of trades to be retrained into - plumbing, welding, electricians, whatever. It's not remotely a panacea but it is at least a path outside of "lol guess you should have read the BLS report on the 20 year outlook for your industry more closely, idiot." Bitcoin mining
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Pay people to buy stuff, the most important part of the economy
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Yinlock posted:seriously even from a soulless capitalist husk standpoint there's no reason not to go big into renewables Not when that husk is still making massive profits off of nonrenewable energy
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Main Paineframe posted:socialism, you idiot Cool so your answer to "I can't get a job" is "well we can give you a fraction of what you used to earn with no prospect of escape from a barely-above-poverty existence." Weirdly, it might just be possible to both give people the means to get the kind of job they want and also provide protection from poverty.
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seriously have these jobs retraining programs even trained a single person
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Concerned Citizen posted:Cool so your answer to "I can't get a job" is "well we can give you a fraction of what you used to earn with no prospect of escape from a barely-above-poverty existence." Weirdly, it might just be possible to both give people the means to get the kind of job they want and also provide protection from poverty. Go back to the yard sign factory and keep your nonsense ideas to yourself
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wow i cant imagine why politicians dont want to do anything about unfucking the energy system and climate. i bet it has nothing to do with the zillions of dollars that petro companies spend on lobbying
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Raskolnikov38 posted:seriously have these jobs retraining programs even trained a single person does training slave labor in the countries the jobs got sent to count
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theres no reason that GMI has to be a pittance but given that the only guy ive seen pitching it lately is Murk Zurkurburg it prolly would be
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Raskolnikov38 posted:seriously have these jobs retraining programs even trained a single person job retraining mostly means expanded access to student loans e: or in the best case subsidized community college
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the way to get people better jobs is to make their jobs better not to make them better people
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aka unionize dat poo poo
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paranoid randroid posted:theres no reason that GMI has to be a pittance but given that the only guy ive seen pitching it lately is Murk Zurkurburg it prolly would be But if you install the ZuckScrum app and attend your daily virtual scrum meeting with Zuck! you get a 5% bonus!
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