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mastajake posted:Wait, really? All that's stopping it is precedence and ~~~decorum~~~? gently caress that. If he's breaking every norm that should have been a law in the first place, the oppositions should feel free to do the same. Like 90%of our political system seems to be tradition, and not law.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:At some point you have to not worry about the weird edges of polls. I'm referring to how the diehard Trump supporters in red states that have convinced the Senate that Trump is perma-innocent.
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Caros posted:In a 5 to 4 decision... I don't know about the rest of them, but I feel like this sort of thing is exactly the kind of case where Roberts would do the not-poo poo thing. Even more than conservative orthodoxy, Roberts cares about his legacy as Chief Justice. I don't think that he would want to go down in history as the guy who cast the deciding vote in favor of "actually the president and his administration can commit any crimes they want with no consequences". He's more than willing to come down on the lovely side for non-legacy-defining things, of course, but this would be the most important court case since at least Marbury and I don't think that's an exaggeration. It'd literally decide if we still have a republic or not. Alito and Gorsuch would probably do the lovely thing, and Thomas is capable of voting any which way based on his bizarre philosophy, but I don't think Roberts wants to be that guy.
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"I'm a free man on the land - I do not consent - I DO NOT CONSENT, you may not search my finances! It can't be treason if it's on a freeway!"
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Sloober posted:Like 90%of our political system seems to be tradition, and not law. The founders of our babby country never thought an actual babby would be in complete control! HOW WAS THIS ADMINISTRATION FORMED.
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Blitz7x posted:I am firmly on the Nothing Matter brigade train because I don't trust blue check Twitter people saying things like "Trump reportedly asking aides if treason is against the law" His son tried to scoop the NYT by self implicating himself on Twitter and Trump himself got goaded by Lester Holt into admitting to obstruction of justice. The only thing shocking about him asking if he can self pardon is that it took until July for him to do it.
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There's two types of contempt, broadly. Criminal code contempt and/or summary contempt, which are criminal and subject to pardon. This is pissing off a judge in court. Doesn't happen all that often, and if it does, usually a sign the judge is awful. The second is the violation of a court order, which renders one in contempt. Contempt of court can be punished financially or by injunction or enjoinder or by imprisonment, depending. Contempt of Congress is not really a thing by itself. What happens if step 2 is to go to an art 3 judge, get a court order compelling testimony or production of docs or whatever, then that judge will find folks in contempt for noncompliance. That's the difference between the Eric holder stunt and the year Pete Seeger spent in federal jail.
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Fraction Jackson posted:I don't know about the rest of them, but I feel like this sort of thing is exactly the kind of case where Roberts would do the not-poo poo thing. Even more than conservative orthodoxy, Roberts cares about his legacy as Chief Justice. I don't think that he would want to go down in history as the guy who cast the deciding vote in favor of "actually the president and his administration can commit any crimes they want with no consequences". He's more than willing to come down on the lovely side for non-legacy-defining things, of course, but this would be the most important court case since at least Marbury and I don't think that's an exaggeration. It'd literally decide if we still have a republic or not. Oh I agree. I was just poking fun. I don't think the court wants to be in the position where they give cover to a president who is trying to evade prison.
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fsif posted:I'm referring to how the diehard Trump supporters in red states that have convinced the Senate that Trump is perma-innocent. Yeah, I guess, but as you push any poll more and more towards 100% you get more and more resistance from "actually not everyone is just normal people". Like 35% isn't the ceiling or anything, but as you get lower and lower you get more and more crazy nonsense. Like you could ask a basic question like "do you eat food" and get 99.99% but still not quite make it to 100% since a few people have feeding tubes or whatever. Like when a poll says "an overwhelming majority think X" just go with that and don't worry too much about the collection of weirdos that produce the small side, it'll be a lot of stuff that just isn't relevant. More and more so the closer to 100 you creep.
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Spaced God posted:https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/888207187142725634 So if Mueller sees Trump was lazy about evading taxes, can't he just give the info to the NY AG even if the IRS couldn't go after him? Or would state tax fraud still be a Federal crime? WhiskeyJuvenile posted:https://twitter.com/startribune/status/888170061940346880 It's not surprising that our country's so hosed up that when white cops murder minorities in cold blood we pull out all the stops to protect the cop but when the race/gender is reversed so is the reaction. Condiv posted:could trump pardon contempt of congress? Yes but Congress just makes that person come back. If Trump pardons again then they can go back and forth until Congress either gives up or impeaches the president. CrocodileKingSaysNO posted:surely the senate is getting to the point where they should be thinking "okay gently caress trump let's go with pence" They aren't. Even if they were the GOP knows that their MAGA hat-wearing white wing has enough crazies in it that if they remove Trump from office there is is a very real risk of some neo nazi militia rear end in a top hat(s) coming after them and their families for being anti-American RINO traitors. If Trump were actually impeached I'd be legit amazed if none of his crazy die hard fans response with deadly violence.
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KickerOfMice posted:The founders of our babby country never thought an actual babby would be in complete control! they need to do way instain trumper> who kill thier babby
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Google Butt posted:Can a pardon protect you from asset forfeiture? Considering you don't even have to be charged with a crime to have your assets seized, no.
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Google Butt posted:Can a pardon protect you from asset forfeiture? Are you white and previously wealthy or well connected? I'm pretty sure the pardon wouldn't apply in most cases as the property is charged and not the person. Therefore the property would have to be pardoned as well? It's most likely simpler to follow the rule above.
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Google Butt posted:Can a pardon protect you from asset forfeiture? The secret is to preemptively pardon your 6,745 lbs of Trump Steaks.
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Blitz7x posted:Impeaching Trump is a surefire Democrat wave in 2018 as opposed to a very likely one. No way congressional Republicans move on him Republican donors are saying no more money unless we get massive tax cuts. If Trump's scandals get in the way of that, then President Pence looks better and better.
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fsif posted:I'm referring to how the diehard Trump supporters in red states that have convinced the Senate that Trump is perma-innocent. These people are going to be amazing if the republicans actually turn on him, because these people are loyal to TRUMP moreso then the GOP. Hell, im not even entirely convinced McConnell is going to touch a full repeal bill and its just an empty threat, because trump and his base already announced they will go after anyone who votes against it This party feels like its on the edge of tearing itself apart. Next few weeks going to be entertaining, to say the least.
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Google Butt posted:Can a pardon protect you from asset forfeiture? I would love for Trump Tower to get asset-seized, auctioned off, and sold to Mark Cuban, who would promptly rename it the Jill Harth Building.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Are you white and previously wealthy or well connected? If I understand correctly the forfeiture cases we normally think about, the ones with the funny names, are civil cases and are not subject to pardon.
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Secret Agent X23 posted:I would love for Trump Tower to get asset-seized, auctioned off, and sold to Mark Cuban, who would promptly rename it the Jill Harth Building. I would prefer it gets turned into housing for refugee families.
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Tengames posted:This party feels like its on the edge of tearing itself apart. -Goons, November 8th, 2016
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Are you white and previously wealthy or well connected? Now I want to see the President pardon Trump Tower for money laundering, conspiracy to commit treason, and involuntary manslaughter.
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Blitz7x posted:Impeaching Trump is a surefire Democrat wave in 2018 as opposed to a very likely one. No way congressional Republicans move on him If Mueller has come forward with all kinds of stuff that necessitates impeaching him and the republicans refuse to, then 2018 should become a referendum on whether we are gonna impeach trump or not. Hopefully they won't be able to cheat again.
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Blitz7x posted:-Goons, November 8th, 2016 If you hold this election, a 
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ponzicar posted:I would prefer it gets turned into housing for refugee families. The Jill Harth House for Refugee Families.
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Blitz7x posted:-Goons, November 8th, 2016 Yeah, if there's one thing republicans (voters and politicians) do better than anyone, it's solidify as one behind an idea and push with all their might, whether it be a hilariously fictional idea or not.
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Blitz7x posted:-Goons, November 8th, 2016
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:Yeah, I guess, but as you push any poll more and more towards 100% you get more and more resistance from "actually not everyone is just normal people". There's also a base level of people that just make up poo poo when the answer. A great example of this is the comedy questions PPP includes in their polls like whether you support bombing Agrabah or not. There is no position, no matter how stupid and completely nonsensical,that someone won't say they agree with in a poll.
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Donnie's going to be pissed in a year or two when his McD and KFC have no real meat.
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Junior Attorney: "Sir, this is a huge case. You're going to need a very,very senior attorney to handle this." Trump: "A big league lawyer?" JA: "Yes, sir. Big league." Trump: "You got it" WaPo posted:On Monday, lawyer Ty Cobb, newly brought into the White House to handle responses to the Russian probe,
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PhazonLink posted:Donnie's going to be pissed in a year or two when his McD and KFC have no real meat. Fool! Twill be the meat of poors! 
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Who is trump's "senior team" if not Sessions Kushner
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maybe sessions views it as his last chance to gently caress over the "drug users" and put them in his place. or maybe he realizes he is hosed anyway.
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It appears that The Wife of Shinzo Abe pretended not to be able to speak english while seated next to Trump at the G20. http://boingboing.net/2017/07/20/ja...campaign=buffer
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I think he might be saying "you want me to resign? Fire me!"
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